Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[Rainwater]

Simons is quantitatively the worst defender of the decade (2020s).

I don't think he is a fit.

We have Harris starting at the 2 guard position, lol. I am pretty certain that Simons will be an upgrade. The problem for the Magic is not defense but shooting and having a third option when Paolo or Franz are noting playing well. Harris’ shooting has made a massive difference for the Magic, switching him up with someone who is a better shooter and can create would be amazing.

I would agree with this if Simons was even just a bad defender. However, Simons is an epically bad defender. Quantitatively, the worst defender of the decade per EPM.

To make it even worse, the problem is not physical, but rather motivational. He has no interest in defending. It looked like he was going to try to defend for a couple of years, but this year he is right back to his old habits.

It would be a terrible idea to bring someone like that to the team, even if he is free. Giving up assets for him would be a monumental error.

Is it possible for him to turn things around and become motivated to be at least a bad defender? Yes, it is possible.

It is also possible that monkeys could fly out of my but. Not very probable however.

We will just have to agree to disagree. The Magic defense is making it work with Harris and Cole playing on the court I am pretty certain they can make it work with Simons who would be a significant upgrade over whatever the Magic have and also fills a need.

[Rainwater]

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.

I just don’t like Russell. Highly unreliable and inconsistent. Is failing as a third option behind two hall of famers in LA, failed as a third option in GS, and failed as a third option in Min. And don’t think any of this will change if playing behind Franz and Paolo.

[MasterGMer]

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.

Why would Russell leave?

Did DLo sign extension with Lakers yet?


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[Rainwater]

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.

Why would Russell leave?

The Lakers are likely looking for a third star, there is a good chance he is not coming back.

[Residual-Heat]

We have Harris starting at the 2 guard position, lol. I am pretty certain that Simons will be an upgrade. The problem for the Magic is not defense but shooting and having a third option when Paolo or Franz are noting playing well. Harris’ shooting has made a massive difference for the Magic, switching him up with someone who is a better shooter and can create would be amazing.

I would agree with this if Simons was even just a bad defender. However, Simons is an epically bad defender. Quantitatively, the worst defender of the decade per EPM.

To make it even worse, the problem is not physical, but rather motivational. He has no interest in defending. It looked like he was going to try to defend for a couple of years, but this year he is right back to his old habits.

It would be a terrible idea to bring someone like that to the team, even if he is free. Giving up assets for him would be a monumental error.

Is it possible for him to turn things around and become motivated to be at least a bad defender? Yes, it is possible.

It is also possible that monkeys could fly out of my but. Not very probable however.

We will just have to agree to disagree. The Magic defense is making it work with Harris and Cole playing on the court I am pretty certain they can make it work with Simons who would be a significant upgrade over whatever the Magic have and also fills a need.

Harris has actually been solid on defense when he's not injured/recovering from an injury. He has been good recently. He's definitely a lot better than Simons on that end. Cole is a better defender than Simons too, and even then Cole is just a bench player who plays 22 mpg so its easier to deal with his lack of defense. You just take him out of the game when you need to.

[Residual-Heat]

Malcolm Brogdon is still a decent option if you want a short term solution. I wouldnt give up much though given his injury history. I wouldnt mind a trade for Brogdon+Thybulle.

[basketballRob]

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.

Why would Russell leave?

Did DLo sign extension with Lakers yet?


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They want him to agree to a sign and trade. Probably for Trae.

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[MasterGMer]

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.

Why would Russell leave?

The Lakers are likely looking for a third star, there is a good chance he is not coming back.

If Lakers want a third star, how can they get him without DLo?


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[jibba jones]

I think the guard targets are Monk and Jones
And I agree

I also just don’t like Russell

[jezzerinho]

I think the guard targets are Monk and Jones
And I agree

I also just don’t like Russell

Russell is a flat-track bully. Not dependable when the chips are down.

[MasterGMer]

Why would Russell leave?

Did DLo sign extension with Lakers yet?


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They want him to agree to a sign and trade. Probably for Trae.

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Trae will be extremely expensive, probably three FRPs plus Reeves and more.

I am not sure if that is smart


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[Bensational]

I think Gary Harris is earning himself a return right now. 49% from 3 Post ASB, but only on 3.8 attempts per game.

He knows the team, is happy sharing minutes with young guys, and he’s successfully filling a need right now.

Fultz goes, Harris and Ingles are brought back and maybe someone like Patty Mills gets a look in as a 3rd string guard.

[Rainwater]

Why would Russell leave?

The Lakers are likely looking for a third star, there is a good chance he is not coming back.

If Lakers want a third star, how can they get him without DLo?


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I am just saying what is being reported. I don’t know how the Lakers will manage to get this third star but they are the Lakers so they will find a way.


https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-plan-reportedly-third-star-230557723.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHfWyX1GnM-pt6dRrMgxALV94SbsUOcQZlVOz2ybs3e6_4tv5qchEQiPmcYkzDJIOVNSVEn_puK4RJmGzN56XM2RZg-vw4p_eJrqpO_orVZCCyZIHLUqxA37IDJLFa9r0o5Gmo7Dio9Uwf5kAUS8oLSbELOB8lycZfl5Zai3Tc4B

[Rainwater]

I would agree with this if Simons was even just a bad defender. However, Simons is an epically bad defender. Quantitatively, the worst defender of the decade per EPM.

To make it even worse, the problem is not physical, but rather motivational. He has no interest in defending. It looked like he was going to try to defend for a couple of years, but this year he is right back to his old habits.

It would be a terrible idea to bring someone like that to the team, even if he is free. Giving up assets for him would be a monumental error.

Is it possible for him to turn things around and become motivated to be at least a bad defender? Yes, it is possible.

It is also possible that monkeys could fly out of my but. Not very probable however.

We will just have to agree to disagree. The Magic defense is making it work with Harris and Cole playing on the court I am pretty certain they can make it work with Simons who would be a significant upgrade over whatever the Magic have and also fills a need.

Harris has actually been solid on defense when he's not injured/recovering from an injury. He has been good recently. He's definitely a lot better than Simons on that end. Cole is a better defender than Simons too, and even then Cole is just a bench player who plays 22 mpg so its easier to deal with his lack of defense. You just take him out of the game when you need to.

I just feel like people are underestimating how good the Magic defense has been and how they have been able the hide the defense of their powers defenders to take advantage of their positive attributes.

[eyriq]

I think Gary Harris is earning himself a return right now. 49% from 3 Post ASB, but only on 3.8 attempts per game.

He knows the team, is happy sharing minutes with young guys, and he’s successfully filling a need right now.

Fultz goes, Harris and Ingles are brought back and maybe someone like Patty Mills gets a look in as a 3rd string guard.

God I hope not

[Skybox]

Where r the people that were crying because we didn't make any trades when our competitors did?

Happy for the progress...doesn't mean we're done. You do you. I want rings

Never meant we were done, just management wise enough to not be impatient like realgm members

I get it...you have it both ways and we're crybabies

Like when I say I admire and enjoy the progress. The year is a huge success. We can get better...I'm impatient.

[AaronB]

We will just have to agree to disagree. The Magic defense is making it work with Harris and Cole playing on the court I am pretty certain they can make it work with Simons who would be a significant upgrade over whatever the Magic have and also fills a need.

Harris has actually been solid on defense when he's not injured/recovering from an injury. He has been good recently. He's definitely a lot better than Simons on that end. Cole is a better defender than Simons too, and even then Cole is just a bench player who plays 22 mpg so its easier to deal with his lack of defense. You just take him out of the game when you need to.

I just feel like people are underestimating how good the Magic defense has been and how they have been able the hide the defense of their powers defenders to take advantage of their positive attributes.

It is possible to hide limited-ability defenders (like Van Vleet, for example, although he is a battler).

I don't think that it is possible to hide a guy that does not want to defend.

This presents a systemic issue that can easily move to the locker room.

Simons has the ability to defend; he does not have the "want to."

[Skybox]

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Great story, but without even looking past the favorites in both conferences...3 of BOS's starters were from trades. 2 of DEN's. OKC, in a flipped script, traded for their superstar and is drafting supporting cast very well - Helps to start with another superstar or two to trade away to begin your rebuild...I guess Vuc was ours.

NO Legit contender could ever build exclusively (or close to exclusively) through the draft...You'd have to hit gold 6 years in a row.

No absolutes here. ORL has drafted well and managed finances well. Time for the next phase of growth.

[Bensational]

I think Gary Harris is earning himself a return right now. 49% from 3 Post ASB, but only on 3.8 attempts per game.

He knows the team, is happy sharing minutes with young guys, and he’s successfully filling a need right now.

Fultz goes, Harris and Ingles are brought back and maybe someone like Patty Mills gets a look in as a 3rd string guard.

God I hope not

It would probably be ideal for development as a continuation of what we’re already doing. Harris plays when available or when the team needs stability, otherwise he’s cool in a reduced role while we get Black, Jett and Houstan more minutes. Mills would be Cole insurance in an Ingles-like capacity.

[Skybox]

Harris has actually been solid on defense when he's not injured/recovering from an injury. He has been good recently. He's definitely a lot better than Simons on that end. Cole is a better defender than Simons too, and even then Cole is just a bench player who plays 22 mpg so its easier to deal with his lack of defense. You just take him out of the game when you need to.

I just feel like people are underestimating how good the Magic defense has been and how they have been able the hide the defense of their powers defenders to take advantage of their positive attributes.

It is possible to hide limited-ability defenders (like Van Vleet, for example, although he is a battler).

I don't think that it is possible to hide a guy that does not want to defend.

This presents a systemic issue that can easily move to the locker room.

Simons has the ability to defend; he does not have the "want to."

FVV has always been recognized as a good defender despite "looking" like a bad one. This narrative has really gained steam. Simons' scoring is apparently "empty stats on a bad team" but his defensive metrics on the same tanking vessel are gospel. He'd be fine here- he's fast and he's long and he'd feed off the vibe here. Just digging your heels in on the Simons' blemish to a ridiculous degree.

Monk's good enough. Cole's good enough. GTJ's good enough. Some want Kennard ...But Simons would bring down the whole thing