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basketballRob wrote:They likely won't trade Black on his rookie contract. It's funny that Black's former haters are the posters who now say Black is so good that we can't afford him.
I think Black will take a reasonable contract extension this summer.
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Do some basic researchOrlando Dawg wrote:1) Magic
Bulls — Anthony Black & Jonathan Isaac for Lonzo Ball
Does the salary math still work?
Yes — this trade still passes NBA salary-matching rules as long as Orlando remains over the cap. Orlando is allowed to take back up to 125% + $100,000 of what it sends out, and Lonzo Ball’s incoming salary is well below that limit relative to Black + Isaac combined. 
Motivation still holds:
• Chicago is likely operating over the cap and below big apron penalties (so they can absorb multi-year contracts).
• Bulls could use a young guard in Black and a defensive wing in Isaac while shedding Lonzo’s expiring.
• Orlando gains a short-term veteran with playoff experience.
Verdict:Still plausible and CBA-legal.
Orlando Dawg wrote:✅ 1) Magic ↔ Bulls — Anthony Black & Jonathan Isaac for Lonzo Ball
Does the salary math still work?
Yes — this trade still passes NBA salary-matching rules as long as Orlando remains over the cap. Orlando is allowed to take back up to 125% + $100,000 of what it sends out, and Lonzo Ball’s incoming salary is well below that limit relative to Black + Isaac combined. 
Motivation still holds:
• Chicago is likely operating over the cap and below big apron penalties (so they can absorb multi-year contracts).
• Bulls could use a young guard in Black and a defensive wing in Isaac while shedding Lonzo’s expiring.
• Orlando gains a short-term veteran with playoff experience.
Verdict: ✔️ Still plausible and CBA-legal.
Yes, I do. Pritchard just accepted around $8m per year last year.BadMofoPimp wrote:basketballRob wrote:They likely won't trade Black on his rookie contract. It's funny that Black's former haters are the posters who now say Black is so good that we can't afford him.
I think Black will take a reasonable contract extension this summer.
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What is reasonable? $15 mil per and do you think he would accept that?
Lonzo isn't good. Also, Cleveland is restricted in trades because they're in the luxury tax. They can only trade 1 player for 1 player, and the contracts need to be really close.Orlando Dawg wrote:
Does the salary math still work?
Yes — this trade still passes NBA salary-matching rules as long as Orlando remains over the cap. Orlando is allowed to take back up to 125% + $100,000 of what it sends out, and Lonzo Ball’s incoming salary is well below that limit relative to Black + Isaac combined. 
Motivation still holds:
• Chicago is likely operating over the cap and below big apron penalties (so they can absorb multi-year contracts).
• Bulls could use a young guard in Black and a defensive wing in Isaac while shedding Lonzo’s expiring.
• Orlando gains a short-term veteran with playoff experience.
Verdict:
basketballRob wrote:Lonzo isn't good. Also, Cleveland is restricted in trades because they're in the luxury tax. They can only trade 1 player for 1 player, and the contracts need to be really close.Orlando Dawg wrote:
Does the salary math still work?
Yes — this trade still passes NBA salary-matching rules as long as Orlando remains over the cap. Orlando is allowed to take back up to 125% + $100,000 of what it sends out, and Lonzo Ball’s incoming salary is well below that limit relative to Black + Isaac combined. 
Motivation still holds:
• Chicago is likely operating over the cap and below big apron penalties (so they can absorb multi-year contracts).
• Bulls could use a young guard in Black and a defensive wing in Isaac while shedding Lonzo’s expiring.
• Orlando gains a short-term veteran with playoff experience.
Verdict:
If the math added up, you're trying to give the Cavs a championship. Black and Isaac are exactly what they need.
Lonzo is averaging 28/24/74 for 5.5 ppg. Even Tyus Jones has been better.
Lonzo Ball - Cleveland Cavaliers Point Guard | StatMuse https://share.google/Ty6Ypb8fUCBUGF4Tw
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They would get rid of Goga before Black. We don't even know how Moe will look.Orlando Dawg wrote:basketballRob wrote:Lonzo isn't good. Also, Cleveland is restricted in trades because they're in the luxury tax. They can only trade 1 player for 1 player, and the contracts need to be really close.Orlando Dawg wrote:
Does the salary math still work?
Yes — this trade still passes NBA salary-matching rules as long as Orlando remains over the cap. Orlando is allowed to take back up to 125% + $100,000 of what it sends out, and Lonzo Ball’s incoming salary is well below that limit relative to Black + Isaac combined. 
Motivation still holds:
• Chicago is likely operating over the cap and below big apron penalties (so they can absorb multi-year contracts).
• Bulls could use a young guard in Black and a defensive wing in Isaac while shedding Lonzo’s expiring.
• Orlando gains a short-term veteran with playoff experience.
Verdict:
If the math added up, you're trying to give the Cavs a championship. Black and Isaac are exactly what they need.
Lonzo is averaging 28/24/74 for 5.5 ppg. Even Tyus Jones has been better.
Lonzo Ball - Cleveland Cavaliers Point Guard | StatMuse https://share.google/Ty6Ypb8fUCBUGF4Tw
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The gist of the trade is affordability:
Use Anthony black to help dump Isaac
Isaac (somewhat negative trade value)
Black (slightly positive trade value)
together for an expiring in order to keep Mo Wagner and Goga Bitazde in 2026+
MasterGMer wrote:Would you guys entertaining a Anthony Davis trade? If somehow we can still retain Dez, Paolo and Franz, even Suggs? I know he has injury concern plus we have salary cap problem to eat another 50M+ contract. But if somehow Dallas wants to get rid of AD, maybe we can get him cheaper. But we have to move some salaries because of the apron. Just an idea
MasterGMer wrote:Would you guys entertaining a Anthony Davis trade? If somehow we can still retain Dez, Paolo and Franz, even Suggs? I know he has injury concern plus we have salary cap problem to eat another 50M+ contract. But if somehow Dallas wants to get rid of AD, maybe we can get him cheaper. But we have to move some salaries because of the apron. Just an idea
Skybox wrote:For all of the misguided Paolo hate...free him. Perhaps the biggest problem is that Franz was already here...I'll go with the concept that they're both great but have quite a bit of overlap/redundancies that make their pairing less than ideal. Personally, I don't think that's clear yet but it might be true. If Paolo went to a team at the bottom of the rebuild -without any skillset conflicts- they could methodically build AROUND Paolo rather than try to jam him into an existing talent pool....I think a Paolo-centric team could give him the best chance to get to All-NBA level rather than try to turn him into a "deferring cast member" that marginalizes his game. He really needs to get to 100% and put up some numbers given all of the heat he's taking right now for his inefficiency - it's a lot easier to defend him when he's putting up 30ppg, 8 rpg, and 5 apg...regardless of the impact on winning. IF Suggs and Franz (and, probably, another player to be named later) miss substantial time with their injuries, it's going to be "Paolo Time", like it or not. With Paolo's numbers and value up, his trade power could help solve multiple problems at once...depth, rim protection, balance, and 2nd Apron terror. Has to be a summer trade for Paolo's max to kick in...
ORL sends: 23yo Paolo Banchero ($41.5m), Jonathan Isaac ($14.5m)
POR sends: 21yo Donovan Clingan ($7.5m), 25yo Deni Avidja ($13.1m), Jerami Grant ($34.2m), 2027 frp (top 3 protected)
*I'm targeting a West team first because I DON'T want to see fully evolved Paolo 4+ times a year for the next decade. Looking for that bottomed-out team looking to make a big splash for a high-visibility young guy to build around. Paolo is also from the Pacific Northwest...POR is guard-heavy and maybe they'll bank on Hansen Yang being enough of a prospect to move off of Clingan so soon. For reference, Grant has a player option for $36.4m for 27-28, so he'll quickly be a large (tradable) expiring in a couple of years, when Deni and Clingan are looking for extensions...and, btw, he's still a formidable player who can play multiple spots and shoot 3's.
*I love Deni, but if POR just refused to include him, I'd consider Scoot and at least one more FRP...he and AB off the bench would be exciting.
ORL:
Clingan, WCJ, Moe, Goga (someone gets moved...I kind of like WCJ in a more versatile, bench role-so I'd look to sell off Goga)
Franz, WCJ, Grant, Penda
Deni, Grant, TdS
Suggs, AB
Bane, Jase
...some possible follow ups to re-balance a bit perhaps, but this is a strong complementary core group, with the potential for intelligent ball movement and better floor spacing...Clingan's elite rim protection and offensive rebounding are the things that drive the current NBA - Elite POA defenders can gamble even more on the perimeter and also outlet, knowing their bigs can defend, rebound, and outlet quickly.
byeganyo wrote:If Paolo is not our №1 option, then we have to use him to get one, as Franz pretty clearly is not the one.
cedric76 wrote:Before posting dumb fake trade proposal, please use this tool https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine
thx, looking forward to seeing plausible trade ideas
89Magicfan wrote:byeganyo wrote:If Paolo is not our №1 option, then we have to use him to get one, as Franz pretty clearly is not the one.
Paolo is 23. I’m not giving up on him yet. We’ve had 2 seasons riddled with injuries. This team needs to get healthy.
My biggest concern is Suggs. He makes a ton of money and makes such a huge impact.
You want him here but can he stay healthy?
tiderulz wrote:Skybox wrote:For all of the misguided Paolo hate...free him. Perhaps the biggest problem is that Franz was already here...I'll go with the concept that they're both great but have quite a bit of overlap/redundancies that make their pairing less than ideal. Personally, I don't think that's clear yet but it might be true. If Paolo went to a team at the bottom of the rebuild -without any skillset conflicts- they could methodically build AROUND Paolo rather than try to jam him into an existing talent pool....I think a Paolo-centric team could give him the best chance to get to All-NBA level rather than try to turn him into a "deferring cast member" that marginalizes his game. He really needs to get to 100% and put up some numbers given all of the heat he's taking right now for his inefficiency - it's a lot easier to defend him when he's putting up 30ppg, 8 rpg, and 5 apg...regardless of the impact on winning. IF Suggs and Franz (and, probably, another player to be named later) miss substantial time with their injuries, it's going to be "Paolo Time", like it or not. With Paolo's numbers and value up, his trade power could help solve multiple problems at once...depth, rim protection, balance, and 2nd Apron terror. Has to be a summer trade for Paolo's max to kick in...
ORL sends: 23yo Paolo Banchero ($41.5m), Jonathan Isaac ($14.5m)
POR sends: 21yo Donovan Clingan ($7.5m), 25yo Deni Avidja ($13.1m), Jerami Grant ($34.2m), 2027 frp (top 3 protected)
*I'm targeting a West team first because I DON'T want to see fully evolved Paolo 4+ times a year for the next decade. Looking for that bottomed-out team looking to make a big splash for a high-visibility young guy to build around. Paolo is also from the Pacific Northwest...POR is guard-heavy and maybe they'll bank on Hansen Yang being enough of a prospect to move off of Clingan so soon. For reference, Grant has a player option for $36.4m for 27-28, so he'll quickly be a large (tradable) expiring in a couple of years, when Deni and Clingan are looking for extensions...and, btw, he's still a formidable player who can play multiple spots and shoot 3's.
*I love Deni, but if POR just refused to include him, I'd consider Scoot and at least one more FRP...he and AB off the bench would be exciting.
ORL:
Clingan, WCJ, Moe, Goga (someone gets moved...I kind of like WCJ in a more versatile, bench role-so I'd look to sell off Goga)
Franz, WCJ, Grant, Penda
Deni, Grant, TdS
Suggs, AB
Bane, Jase
...some possible follow ups to re-balance a bit perhaps, but this is a strong complementary core group, with the potential for intelligent ball movement and better floor spacing...Clingan's elite rim protection and offensive rebounding are the things that drive the current NBA - Elite POA defenders can gamble even more on the perimeter and also outlet, knowing their bigs can defend, rebound, and outlet quickly.
Scoot and AB would be one of the worst shooting back courts in the league. And Scoot cant stay healthy himself.