Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Bigmagicfan82]

I don’t dislike Wiseman. I think he’s clearly a top 10 talent in this draft.

But just looking at it strictly from the Magic’s perspective, I just don’t see Wiseman a remarkably better prospect than Bamba was two years ago.

I also don’t believe they can share the floor, so it would be an either or scenario in my eyes.

When you factor in that Mo has bulked up now, I don’t see a huge difference between the two anymore. At least not enough for me to go with Wiseman over one of the guards at the top.

If the Magic are able to keep the 15th and get Wiggins then I feel you can take a swinger on Wiseman or Onyeka Okongwu. There are decent enough guard prospects available at 15.



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[Xatticus]

Who da *** thinks Wiseman is good defender?
Guy is craptastic pick&roll defenders, eats pumpfakes like prime McGee, has poor awarness and just relies on his lenght and size to bail him out.

He is big body, strong player, but not really elite athlete, tends to move slowly latherally.
Pretty much poor man's Ayton as prospect.

He's no Vucevic. But then... who is?

No jumpshot, rim running C, with poor discipline, poor pick&roll defense, being one of worst passing centers in college history, no floor vision, no ballhandling skills is just what doctor ordered for 1# pick.

But just like every good salesman, wait! There is more!

There has to be some understanding of your own offensive strengths and Wiseman’s habits don’t suggest he knows who he truly is. In 21 EYBL games between April 2018 and July 2018, he averaged 15.2 points on 52.7 percent true shooting. Such low efficiency and raw scoring output is concerning for a player wielding NBA-caliber size and length. Take a look at how his efficiency compares to some other bigs:
Shooting projection is a significant and worthwhile exercise for prospects. It’s fair to look at Wiseman’s indicators and wonder if his confidence is simply ahead of his development as a shooter. Across that same string of EYBL games, he went 56-of-101 (55.4 percent) from the free-throw line and 4-of-27 (14.8 percent) from 3-point range. Neither number suggests a forthcoming evolution.

Instad of being snarky for no reason, and bu**hurt and cought in feelings about debate on other thread, you are yet to say single objective, good reason why Wiseman, rim running center, with robotic post moves, no vision, no jumpshot should be 1# pick.

Guy's comparison is Deandre Jordan. Guy who never was top 40 player in nba. Who would never be more than backup C if he didn't have luxury to play with top 8 PG of all time for vast majority of his career in Chris Paul.
His probably most objective comparison is Andre Drummond in better shape. This is ceiling. Floor is taller Biyombo.

Main reason why Wolves, Warriors among others are getting rid of their 2020 picks is because it's clear as a day that this draft has soooo little talent. This is like 2013 and debates who is better, Otto Porter, Oladipo, Noel, Zeller or Alex Len. Nobody cares. 7 years later non of them is top 30 player.

I've already posted why I would take Wiseman at 2. I just thought it hilarious that your criticism of Wiseman was with regards to defense given the recent debate and that you are enamored with Vucevic. There is basically zero chance that he will end up an inferior defender to Vucevic.

By the way, the question was: who you would take if we traded Vucevic to acquire the number 2 pick in the draft? Feel free to throw an opinion out there.

[Xatticus]

I’d be inclined to move down.

I think if you plan to take someone other than the top 3, then you have to look for extra value. Someone is going to want to move up.

So something like...

Vucevic and 15 for Wiggins and 2.

Then 2 to the Knicks (who’d be coming up for Ball) for 8 and Mitchell Robinson? 8 and RJ Barrett?

I'd agree to that in a heartbeat. I didn't expect that much value in return. And I say that as someone that doesn't hold a high opinion of Barrett. I don't think NY would agree to it though. I think they probably still value Barrett a lot. He was drafted just last year and they are probably still dreaming on what he may become. All of their hope is probably wrapped up in him. Knox looks about cooked. I do like Robinson though. I'd accept Robinson and their 2 1st-round picks.

I just don't love the options at the top of the draft and I'd try to get more value to pick a few spots later. We are just in a weird position at 2 if Edwards is already gone.

Maybe the Bulls would give up Markkanen and their 2 picks. I wouldn't mind getting a high 2nd-round pick. I don't like Markkanen, but you'd get a look at him to see if he is worth keeping around past his rookie deal while Isaac is on the mend. It's not much to move up a couple spots. They'd have to like someone that they don't feel confident would fall to 4 though. I'd rather have WCJ, but I really doubt they'd attach that.

Cleveland could add Porter and their 2nd to move up. They just don't have much I like. They'd probably like to get one of Wiseman or Okongwu.

Perhaps Detroit would add Doumbouya and a pick. He had a rough rookie year though and he isn't a great fit for us.

Giving up the 15 changes the math a bit. Maybe I feel better if we get Paschall coming back our way. I'd like to keep that pick as I'm certain something useful will be available at 15.

If I'm moving Vucevic to get that pick though, I'd also get aggressive in moving Gordon. With Isaac out, there is an opportunity to increase the value of our pick next year in a much better draft.

[pepe1991]

He's no Vucevic. But then... who is?

No jumpshot, rim running C, with poor discipline, poor pick&roll defense, being one of worst passing centers in college history, no floor vision, no ballhandling skills is just what doctor ordered for 1# pick.

But just like every good salesman, wait! There is more!

There has to be some understanding of your own offensive strengths and Wiseman’s habits don’t suggest he knows who he truly is. In 21 EYBL games between April 2018 and July 2018, he averaged 15.2 points on 52.7 percent true shooting. Such low efficiency and raw scoring output is concerning for a player wielding NBA-caliber size and length. Take a look at how his efficiency compares to some other bigs:
Shooting projection is a significant and worthwhile exercise for prospects. It’s fair to look at Wiseman’s indicators and wonder if his confidence is simply ahead of his development as a shooter. Across that same string of EYBL games, he went 56-of-101 (55.4 percent) from the free-throw line and 4-of-27 (14.8 percent) from 3-point range. Neither number suggests a forthcoming evolution.

Instad of being snarky for no reason, and bu**hurt and cought in feelings about debate on other thread, you are yet to say single objective, good reason why Wiseman, rim running center, with robotic post moves, no vision, no jumpshot should be 1# pick.

Guy's comparison is Deandre Jordan. Guy who never was top 40 player in nba. Who would never be more than backup C if he didn't have luxury to play with top 8 PG of all time for vast majority of his career in Chris Paul.
His probably most objective comparison is Andre Drummond in better shape. This is ceiling. Floor is taller Biyombo.

Main reason why Wolves, Warriors among others are getting rid of their 2020 picks is because it's clear as a day that this draft has soooo little talent. This is like 2013 and debates who is better, Otto Porter, Oladipo, Noel, Zeller or Alex Len. Nobody cares. 7 years later non of them is top 30 player.

I've already posted why I would take Wiseman at 2. I just thought it hilarious that your criticism of Wiseman was with regards to defense given the recent debate and that you are enamored with Vucevic. There is basically zero chance that he will end up an inferior defender to Vucevic.

By the way, the question was: who you would take if we traded Vucevic to acquire the number 2 pick in the draft? Feel free to throw an opinion out there.

This is not just critique of defense but prospect in general. Even if he is better defender than Vučević, it still means nothing for him as prospect, as he is rim running center without single advanced basketball skill.
Over 3 college games that he logged, he did not play against single 7 footer. Matter of fact tallest player he faced was some guy named Braelen Bridges, standing at 6'10 and 220 pounds, so he had 3 inches and 20 pounds on him.
And despite all that, he actually only dominated in one game.
Whole thing about him reminds me of overdrafting Darius Garland based on small supersize and reaching for things that are not there.

What's really difference between what is Wiseman projected to be and Jarret Allen or Mitchell Robinson? Former 22# and second round pick?

First of all, if i have top 2 pick, i'm in desparate search to move down or get basketball player instad.
If i have to choose , i'm taking Avdija.

Tbh i'm not sure i would even take Wiseman 3rd. In his apsolute best, he will never be more than 4th best player on contender. That's such a low ceiling for top pick.

[pepe1991]

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kind a sums perfecly about Wiseman

during EYBL 14 assists on 42 turnovers, tunnel vision on some next level.

[Def Swami]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

I wouldn't mind this pick; you could easily talk me into it. You draft Green for what you think he might become one day. He kind of underwhelmed me during his freshman season at Arizona, but you he's got good upside. His size, length, and ability to play defense may make him a more palatable pick at #15 for Weltman, Hammond, and Clifford than someone like Tyrell Terry or Aaron Nesmith.

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[Knightro]

I don't think Wiseman is a bad prospect by any means, but the Magic already have a 22-year-old center prospect who looks like he can be a good rebounder and shotblocker.

I don't see the need to add another when they could get an equally talented guard prospect available.

[basketballRob]

A lot of people will regret passing on Maxey.

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[Knightro]

A lot of people will regret passing on Maxey.

I just don't see it.

He's a 6'3" shooting guard who didn't make shots from pretty much anywhere on the floor in college.

You have to be completely sold that his poor shooting was either a fluke or that he's going to really develop quickly as a shooter because he's Jordan Clarkson otherwise.

[zaymon]

A lot of people will regret passing on Maxey.

I just don't see it.

He's a 6'3" shooting guard who didn't make shots from pretty much anywhere on the floor in college.

You have to be completely sold that his poor shooting was either a fluke or that he's going to really develop quickly as a shooter because he's Jordan Clarkson otherwise.

I am not a big fan of Maxey but his finishing was remarkable. Midrange was ok if i remember correctly and his ft% gives hope his 3pt shooting will improve. On defense his frame and motor also give him some upside. He is.not my favourite prospect but we could do worse

[Nyce_1]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Agreed. Give me Green and get ready for camp. I'd be excited to watch Green & Okeke develop next season.

[MagicFan101]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Oh god ...

This is such a hard question because that leaves 4 more names to go off the board before we get to pick.

Yes, yes I understand you said “#1 Target” but still ... I’m just soooo indecisive with this class.

I can’t give you one single name yet but in this scenario I would limit my search to:

Terry, Nesmith and Green.

... perhaps the 4 teams ahead take 2 and make my choice for me?

[Ducklett]

Can I ask a honest question: Why is it some people think Terry is a transcendent shooter and think Nesmith is "small sample size" when their 3FA are within 10 of each other?

[zaymon]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Oh god ...

This is such a hard question because that leaves 4 more names to go off the board before we get to pick.

Yes, yes I understand you said “#1 Target” but still ... I’m just soooo indecisive with this class.

I can’t give you one single name yet but in this scenario I would limit my search to:

Terry, Nesmith and Green.

... perhaps the 4 teams ahead take 2 and make my choice for me?

I like Green but for me its

Pokusevski->Bane->Maledon->Lewis

[VFX]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Oh god ...

This is such a hard question because that leaves 4 more names to go off the board before we get to pick.

Yes, yes I understand you said “#1 Target” but still ... I’m just soooo indecisive with this class.

I can’t give you one single name yet but in this scenario I would limit my search to:

Terry, Nesmith and Green.

... perhaps the 4 teams ahead take 2 and make my choice for me?

I like Green but for me its

Pokusevski->Bane->Maledon->Lewis

Sell me on Pokusevski.

How isn’t he the biggest red flag ever in a draft? What position is he playing in Orlando? What does he do that we don’t have on the roster?

[Ducklett]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Oh god ...

This is such a hard question because that leaves 4 more names to go off the board before we get to pick.

Yes, yes I understand you said “#1 Target” but still ... I’m just soooo indecisive with this class.

I can’t give you one single name yet but in this scenario I would limit my search to:

Terry, Nesmith and Green.

... perhaps the 4 teams ahead take 2 and make my choice for me?

I like Green but for me its

Pokusevski->Bane->Maledon->Lewis

Bane is 200 years old. Hard pass.

[IllMagic04]

Can I ask a honest question: Why is it some people think Terry is a transcendent shooter and think Nesmith is "small sample size" when their 3FA are within 10 of each other?

I dont think transendent should be next to either of their names. I personally dont think Nesmith will be on the board at 15 and Im not sold enough on him to trade up. Id rather draft Terry at 15 then trade up for Nesmith.

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[MagicFan101]

We're under a month from the 2020 NBA Draft. The Magic are currently slotted in the 15th draft position.

Let's say they're unable to trade up and the following 10 players are off the board - Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Toppin, Hayes, Okoro, Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell.

Give me your No. 1 target for the Magic at 15.

As it stands right now... my pick would be Josh Green.

Oh god ...

This is such a hard question because that leaves 4 more names to go off the board before we get to pick.

Yes, yes I understand you said “#1 Target” but still ... I’m just soooo indecisive with this class.

I can’t give you one single name yet but in this scenario I would limit my search to:

Terry, Nesmith and Green.

... perhaps the 4 teams ahead take 2 and make my choice for me?

I like Green but for me its

Pokusevski->Bane->Maledon->Lewis

So if Nesmith or Terry fall to 15 you’re telling me you would pass on both?

[Knightro]

Can I ask a honest question: Why is it some people think Terry is a transcendent shooter and think Nesmith is "small sample size" when their 3FA are within 10 of each other?

A few reasons...

1. Nesmith is a year older and a year more experienced than Terry. He only shot .337 from three in his first year of college. At the same age/experience level, Terry shot .408 from three.

2. Terry shot 89% from the FT line, compared to 82% for Nesmith. Not a massive difference, but an indicator of natural shooting ability.

3. Quality of competition. Terry played a full season and actually increased his 3PT% to 42.4% in Pac 12 play when his competition theoretically got tougher.

Nesmith got injured right as SEC play started (he played one conference game) and his shooting numbers are propped up a bit by a few huge performances against some really terrible teams out of conference (7-11 3PT against Southeast Missouri State who finished last in the Ohio Valley, 7-10 3PT against UNC Wilmington who finished 9th of 10 in the Colonial).

[Ducklett]

Can I ask a honest question: Why is it some people think Terry is a transcendent shooter and think Nesmith is "small sample size" when their 3FA are within 10 of each other?

A few reasons...

1. Nesmith is a year older and a year more experienced than Terry. He only shot .337 from three. At the same age/experience level, Terry **** .408 from three.

2. Terry shot 89% from the FT line, compared to 82% for Nesmith. Not a massive difference, but an indicator of natural shooting ability.

3. Quality of competition. Terry played a full season and actually increased his 3PT% to 42.4% in Pac 12 play when his competition theoretically got tougher.

Nesmith got injured right as SEC play started (he played one conference game) and his shooting numbers are propped up a bit some by a few huge performances against some really terrible teams out of conference (7-11 3PT against Southeast Missouri State who finished last in the Ohio Valley, 7-10 3PT against UNC Wilmington who finished 9th of 10 in the Colonial).

Terry is also criticized for his inability to shoot off the dribble, step back, and side-step 3. In fact, one of the major gripes on his shooting ability is all he can do is pull-up. That seems like a huge negative in this era of NBA ball.

I don't have a dog in the fight. I think either of them would be fine for the Magic. I just don't understand why people think Terry is significantly better when they seem to be the same level of talent with different warts on the offensive side. Defense in a lot of ways doesn't much matter anymore, but Nesmith is considered a plus defender while Terry is considered a liability due to his size.