The Trade Thread II

[T-DOT KEEZY]

Hennigan deserves to be fired, Alex Martins deserves to be fired MORE! Simple as that.

You hire people for thier expertise and you let them do thier job. We will never have success hiring yes men, and we will never have a high caliber GM who truly runs the show as long as Martins is here.

My solution to fixing this team is simply fire Martins and any other known or unknown authority behind the scenes who has influenced basketball decisions, keep Hennigan and let him and his staff run the show 100%.

We all know what really happend with the Skiles hire and subsequent Tobias trade, that trade has direct parrelles with the Cousins trade, other GMs upset they didnt get a phone call obviously because the CEO's golden boy wanted his past players just like the Vivek forcing Divac to ignore phone calls and pursue Heild. WE ARE THE SACRAMENTO KINGS PEOPLE!!!

100% agree. This is my exact feelings. Bad organizations let people that have no business being involved with basketball decisions be involved with basketball decisions. We are Sacramento east at this point. I don't see that changing anytime soon either. Martins seems to still have full backing from ownership.

Martins, like our fan base, will continue to use our GM and future GM as the scapegoat and fall guy when the real source of the problem is him && that problem dosent look like it's getting fixed anytime soon.

We are the Sacramento Kings East. Hennigan and Divac could both quit. No one is putting a gun to their heads...in fact they could both retain some credibility and have a shot at another FO gig. The fact that we have had this many GM's in such a short time span does speak volumes as to the instability of the org. I thought Gabriel was okay but in no wise are any of the GM's we have had in town in any way special or very much above average.

[D12VCMagic]

We r one of the few team that can make him stay

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How do you figure that? We will be a bad team still with zero depth and not even a real starting line up.

R u serious?
if we trade AG+our 2017+vuc+lal pick for PG
Then trade green+dj+2nd for Jackson

Meeks+cj coming off the book gives us enough cash to fill up roster with guys like To jones

RJ . TORONTO s pick
Evan.russ
PG.russ.mario
Jones.
Biz.zimm




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That team is not much better, if at all better than some of these recent Pacer teams.

[EAS Law]

We aren't in a position to trade for anyone right now. We're probably done making moves unless we are part of a bigger deal as a facilitator with draft picks or something.

[D12VCMagic]

We aren't in a position to trade for anyone right now. We're probably done making moves unless we are part of a bigger deal as a facilitator with draft picks or something.

I don't think this is the case at all, we're definitely in a position to make more moves and the roster still needs more work done. We could wait until the offseason if nothing comes our way, but I don't think Rob has that kind of time.

[Edual]

Getting traded? edit:Actually today is his birthday i guess

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[npiper17]

A couple of things here:

1. It really does makes me chuckle every now and again that the Lakers don't seem to realise they are bad. They are just as bad as the Magic and probably worse. Their free agent crop of overpaying for both Deng and Mozgov was awful and I don't rate their young players that highly. So...why the hell wokld Paul George, a star player who says he wants to be competing for a championship, sign for the Lakers a year and a few months from now? I get that there's this alleged allure of the Lakers and their championship rings but unless George wants to play back home (and not compete for a championship or indeed make the playoffs) then I don't see how they're in the conversation.

2. I wouldn't give up our pick this year for any of the potentially available stars except for possibly Butler - Butler is different because he's locked in for another four years. George could bolt (although hopefully the relationship with Vogel would give the Magic a good chance of resigning him) and so could Cousins. I probably wouldn't trade the pick for Butler either but he's the only one I would consider trading it for.

in regards to #1: Melo did go to the Knicks knowing they were garbage. Something about hometown intrigues these players.
and #2: your going to have to give up this years first. the convo ends right away if it isn't.

The Knicks were quite good before Melo was traded there. Felton and Amare had that team playing well and in the playoff places. Sure the hometown thing was a big plus but I'm not sure he'd have been so keen to go there if they had been the second worst team in the league. Also I'm not sure Melo has the same desire for championships as some of the other players have.

I hear you in terms of having to give up the first, I just wouldn't. Whilst George is a great player, his Indiana team (which has better talent / players than the Magic) are hardly pulling up any trees in a weaker conference. If you think in terms of timelines for contention, you'd potentially be trading away years of Fultz, Ball, Jackson for one and half years of Paul George who may not make your team that much better. We aren't challenging the Warriors / Cavs anytime soon so let's build along a more deliberate timeline. I know the pitchforks come out from the 'win now at all costs to retain ticket sales and corporate sponsorship' crowd but I'm quite happy to get back to gradually building by adding the player that becomes our star through the draft this year.

[PrimeThyme]

PG interests me alot more than Boogie did but im still not sure its worth giving up the assets. He said in a press conference the other day that he wants to play for a winner and a contender. I dont see that in the cards for us in the next two years especially if we have to give up half of our team to get him. I still think were better off keeping our 2017 and going for a star in the draft.

[EAS Law]

The chicken little hyperbole of this board is absolutely sickening btw.

The Sacramento Kings of the East? The Kings have been a bad team for nearly 15 years. They've whiffed on every draft pick in that time and have signed absolutely no one noteworthy.

We are in year 5 of a top to bottom rebuild.

I don't know what's worse--wanting to trade everyone worth printing on a trading card to start all over, wanting to fire everyone that doesn't produce insta-championships, or berating and ridiculing the GM one week for trading assets on rentals, then berating and ridiculing him for not trading all of our assets for rentals.

I admit, it sucks being a Magic fan right now and success is too distant for us to see the vehicle with which we will get there, but my God some of you are like teenaged girls--petition this, boycott that, protest this, fire, fire, fire... name ONE team that didn't go through the exact same thing ours is going through right now.

The only guy I can tell you we've ever had that was a completely inept GM was Doc Rivers by virtue of his input regarding our signings and trades. He was responsible for trading Ben Wallace, Chauncey (became multiple time all stars), ruining Tracy McGrady's career, and then signing John Amechi over other far better candidates.

So far, Hennigan has never had a star to build around, our closest guy to that was frankly, a douche that enjoys chucking brick layups at the backboard, who demanded an undeserved max contract for staying in lowly Orlando.

Hennigan also has against him that he traded another guy that was never going to change our future for less than maybe he could have.

What a friggin failure indeed.

[drsd]

FEB 21, 2017 7:51 PM:

Pacers Not Considering Any Trade Offers For Paul George

FEB 22, 2017 1:18 PM:

Pacers Testing Trade Market For Paul George

Hmm ...


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[Magic#1]

Magical: Magic have a real shot at Wilson Chandler if they send Jeff Green and their TOR late pick to DEN. Would you?


Take it FWIW. I would make the trade.

[EAS Law]

We aren't in a position to trade for anyone right now. We're probably done making moves unless we are part of a bigger deal as a facilitator with draft picks or something.

I don't think this is the case at all, we're definitely in a position to make more moves and the roster still needs more work done. We could wait until the offseason if nothing comes our way, but I don't think Rob has that kind of time.

Any trades within reasonable expectations would produce some marginal improvements maybe--that's also contrary to what we are trying to do right now, which is acquire a true guy to build around via the draft.

We can't really net any stars, and if we do somehow, it isn't likely that they'd even stay long enough for us to be a good team.

Hennigan pulling a bunch of desperation fire sale moves would be his Billy King swan song.

[D12VCMagic]

The chicken little hyperbole of this board is absolutely sickening btw.

The Sacramento Kings of the East? The Kings have been a bad team for nearly 15 years. They've whiffed on every draft pick in that time and have signed absolutely no one noteworthy.

We are in year 5 of a top to bottom rebuild.

I don't know what's worse--wanting to trade everyone worth printing on a trading card to start all over, wanting to fire everyone that doesn't produce insta-championships, or berating and ridiculing the GM one week for trading assets on rentals, then berating and ridiculing him for not trading all of our assets for rentals.

I admit, it sucks being a Magic fan right now and success is too distant for us to see the vehicle with which we will get there, but my God some of you are like teenaged girls--petition this, boycott that, protest this, fire, fire, fire... name ONE team that didn't go through the exact same thing ours is going through right now.

The only guy I can tell you we've ever had that was a completely inept GM was Doc Rivers by virtue of his input regarding our signings and trades. He was responsible for trading Ben Wallace, Chauncey (became multiple time all stars), ruining Tracy McGrady's career, and then signing John Amechi over other far better candidates.

So far, Hennigan has never had a star to build around, our closest guy to that was frankly, a douche that enjoys chucking brick layups at the backboard, who demanded an undeserved max contract for staying in lowly Orlando.

Hennigan also has against him that he traded another guy that was never going to change our future for less than maybe he could have.

What a friggin failure indeed.

While I agree with parts of your post, especially about the amount of knee jerk reactions. I disagree on the Hennigan excuses. Yeah, he hasn't had a star to build around but that doesn't give him a pass. It's his job to do that and to improve the team. He's been on the job for 5 years with very limited results in drafting, trading and FA. Every year our roster is a weirdly fitting team of spare parts and this past season has been more high dollar with veterans than before. Which throws the whole rebuilding thing out the window. Hennigan deserves his share of the heat.

[EAS Law]

Magical: Magic have a real shot at Wilson Chandler if they send Jeff Green and their TOR late pick to DEN. Would you?


Take it FWIW. I would make the trade.

Yuk, why though?

[3ddman23]

Is their really no rumors regarding us???? I know henny and the front office is tight lip but is the ibaka trade gonna be the only move we make?

[EAS Law]

The chicken little hyperbole of this board is absolutely sickening btw.

The Sacramento Kings of the East? The Kings have been a bad team for nearly 15 years. They've whiffed on every draft pick in that time and have signed absolutely no one noteworthy.

We are in year 5 of a top to bottom rebuild.

I don't know what's worse--wanting to trade everyone worth printing on a trading card to start all over, wanting to fire everyone that doesn't produce insta-championships, or berating and ridiculing the GM one week for trading assets on rentals, then berating and ridiculing him for not trading all of our assets for rentals.

I admit, it sucks being a Magic fan right now and success is too distant for us to see the vehicle with which we will get there, but my God some of you are like teenaged girls--petition this, boycott that, protest this, fire, fire, fire... name ONE team that didn't go through the exact same thing ours is going through right now.

The only guy I can tell you we've ever had that was a completely inept GM was Doc Rivers by virtue of his input regarding our signings and trades. He was responsible for trading Ben Wallace, Chauncey (became multiple time all stars), ruining Tracy McGrady's career, and then signing John Amechi over other far better candidates.

So far, Hennigan has never had a star to build around, our closest guy to that was frankly, a douche that enjoys chucking brick layups at the backboard, who demanded an undeserved max contract for staying in lowly Orlando.

Hennigan also has against him that he traded another guy that was never going to change our future for less than maybe he could have.

What a friggin failure indeed.

While I agree with parts of your post, especially about the amount of knee jerk reactions. I disagree on the Hennigan excuses. Yeah, he hasn't had a star to build around but that doesn't give him a pass. It's his job to do that and to improve the team. He's been on the job for 5 years with very limited results in drafting, trading and FA. Every year our roster is a weirdly fitting team of spare parts and this past season has been more high dollar with veterans than before. Which throws the whole rebuilding thing out the window. Hennigan deserves his share of the heat.

Had he drafted perfectly in retrospect, what would that team look like?

[yoyojw17]

If paul George stated.... "I really miss my boy Vogel.... things aren't the same around here without him... and i will follow him to the end of the world"... you throw Aaron, the pick and vuc or fournier at him.... Even that is a maybe for me. lol

But for a guy that says he wants to be playing for a contender and being traded to a team that has a 4th worst record..... he will have to be that perfect Cog that turns us into a contender as we will be depleted of most of our assets already. I don't want a star to just say I have a star. God forbids we get him (shrines of hennigan will be built in many of your living rooms) then he leaves in a year and we're left high and dry. You'll all want hennigans head again and PG would only say "I told you'll from the beginning"

[D12VCMagic]

Is their really no rumors regarding us???? I know henny and the front office is tight lip but is the ibaka trade gonna be the only move we make?

Just because Woj isn't updating us with everything going on doesn't mean nothing will happen. I'm willing to bet we make a trade tomorrow, but what kind of deal I'm not sure.

[cedric76]

Magical: Magic have a real shot at Wilson Chandler if they send Jeff Green and their TOR late pick to DEN. Would you?


Take it FWIW. I would make the trade.

Yuk, why though?

Why??

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[VFX]

Is their really no rumors regarding us???? I know henny and the front office is tight lip but is the ibaka trade gonna be the only move we make?

Just because Woj isn't updating us with everything going on doesn't mean nothing will happen. I'm willing to bet we make a trade tomorrow, but what kind of deal I'm not sure.

I could also see playing it out until the draft.

[OrlandoDream]

Magical: Magic have a real shot at Wilson Chandler if they send Jeff Green and their TOR late pick to DEN. Would you?


Take it FWIW. I would make the trade.

Earlier in the season? Sure. Now? Not a tank move. I'm sure other teams can make better offers. Plus we need that pick.