Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

[cedric76]

He'll bolt to a team with a real starting point guard and play on a roster with more than three 3 point shooters, and finally excel in his role.

There is a role for him to excel in here... he just doesn't want it.

Bingo

But hr ll excel even better in golden state

[ezzzp]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

[zaymon]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

Dedmon contract would be awful for us, Bogdanovic while i really like him doesnt move the needle. I think i like Fournier a bit more. In crunch time one of Fournier, Ross, Bogdanovic would be redundant.
For Kings i dont know if they have a need for Turner with Bagley and Holmes.

[ezzzp]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

Dedmon contract would be awful for us, Bogdanovic while i really like him doesnt move the needle. I think i like Fournier a bit more. In crunch time one of Fournier, Ross, Bogdanovic would be redundant.
For Kings i dont know if they have a need for Turner with Bagley and Holmes.

Dedmon's contract is a 2+1 with final year a team option with only $1m of it guaranteed. Plus the Magic are operating over the cap anyhow, his contract doesn't impact us at all. Dedmon is a good two way player with ability to stretch the floor, adding a much needed offensive (lob and 3pt) threat to that unit without sacrificing defense or rebounding.

I would have Fournier and Bogdanovic on the floor in crunch time. Both can create their own shot, create for others and space the floor. Ross' shot is too erratic, can't create for others and is much better when others create for him or a play is designed specifically to get him open. Fournier can also opt out this summer, which would leave the Magic without ability to replace him as they are an over the cap team.

Bagely at C isn't realistic, never was unless they went super big at wings with excellent defenders everywhere else. Turner is ideal big next to Bagely as he spaces floor and can cover up his defensive flaws. Holmes expires next year, both him and Dedmon were stop gaps until they found their C.

[zaymon]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

Dedmon contract would be awful for us, Bogdanovic while i really like him doesnt move the needle. I think i like Fournier a bit more. In crunch time one of Fournier, Ross, Bogdanovic would be redundant.
For Kings i dont know if they have a need for Turner with Bagley and Holmes.

Dedmon's contract is a 2+1 with final year a team option with only $1m of it guaranteed. Plus the Magic are operating over the cap anyhow, his contract doesn't impact us at all. Dedmon is a good two way player with ability to stretch the floor, adding a much needed offensive (lob and 3pt) threat to that unit without sacrificing defense or rebounding.

I would have Fournier and Bogdanovic on the floor in crunch time. Both can create their own shot, create for others and space the floor. Ross' shot is too erratic, can't create for others and is much better when others create for him or a play is designed specifically to get him open. Fournier can also opt out this summer, which would leave the Magic without ability to replace him as they are an over the cap team.

Bagely at C isn't realistic, never was unless they went super big at wings with excellent defenders everywhere else. Turner is ideal big next to Bagely as he spaces floor and can cover up his defensive flaws. Holmes expires next year, both him and Dedmon were stop gaps until they found their C.

Overall i think this trade is solid and i would take Bogdanovic over Gordon any day of the week.
If no star is open in a trade i would also consider Gordon for Levert when its available or some mix of Bulls players like Porter or Markkanen and Satoransky.

[Def Swami]

He'll bolt to a team with a real starting point guard and play on a roster with more than three 3 point shooters, and finally excel in his role.

There is a role for him to excel in here... he just doesn't want it.

He played his part well last year. The only difference is his shooting has tanked this year, and all his shortcomings are magnified. At the same time, we also have to recognize that his full potential was never going to be realized here regardless based on the roster construction and playing him out of position. The team construction never did him any favors. The core problems of the team have never been solved during the past decade; the offense depends on Vucevic. When players like Gordon or Fournier try to create anything, we get up and arms about them not being good at it. In any other situation, where they aren't depended upon to be 2nd and 3rd options, it's not an issue.

[Bensational]

If Turner is available for Gordon, why not just make that trade straight up and move Vuc (when he's back and eligible to be traded) for a more substantial wing player than Bogdanovic? Turner is currently $10M cheaper than Vuc for this season, is hitting the 3 at an incredible rate, and can give us interior defense.

Vuc for DeRozan is the simplest trade I can think of, not that I'm a big DeRozan fan. But he would give us a bigger offensive presence than either of Vuc or Gordon. (Shortcomings obviously being that he doesn't shoot the 3 which would make it a bad fit with Fultz to begin with).

Turner
Isaac
DeRozan
Fournier
Fultz

vs

Vuc
Isaac
Fournier
Bogdanovic
Fultz

Also, if Fournier leaving as a UFA is a concern, he should be a top priority to be traded since we have zero flexibility to replace him other than with an MLE signing.

[Skybox]

I think AG, like a lot of "Really Good" players, will flourish on a team where he is clearly second-fiddle offensively. He just can't /won't accept that swiss-army-knife role here where he's arguably the best player. If he were on GSW, for example, he'd chase down misses, putback misses, cut for highlight-reel lobs, and lock down opposing scorers...The D12 parallels are so true, IMO...Dwight could've been Bill Russell but he wanted to be Wilt Chamberlain - and nobody in ORL had the juice to tell him/show him to stay in his lane. He's not demanding anything on an LBJ team, he learned he can lose a power struggle twice now with Kobe and Harden. In ORL he was far and away the franchise leader with indisputable power. AG is not there, of course, but his pecking order position is still up for grabs.

Win-Win, IMO is AG + picks, Bamba, Aminu, whatever package for a legit lead scorer like DLO, Beal, CJ. If those guys don't shake loose, straight up for a Zach Lavine or similar level, less complete but more developed offensively player. I really like AG but he's hitting his ceiling on this team- he needs a winning role on a different roster and he's not what ORL needs.

[j-ragg]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

Solid trade imo. Would hurt to see Dipo/AG flourish together but I think it makes us better.

[jezzerinho]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

Think I was the first on here to push for the Bogdanovic trade. Think he just gives us what we're missing as a complement to (and maybe eventual replacement for) Fournier at SG. Ross hasn't shown he deserves being considered as an indispensable part of the lineup at game end.

I can see Bogdanovic getting some minutes at the point also. Great roster piece. I'd just trade AG for him and a pick. The King's need D and would pull the trigger if you ask me.

[nymets1]

Wow I just looked at the NBA standings and the Magic right now are 6 and 9(UNDER 500) and are the 8th seed right now LOL!!! If this continues, the longer it lasts and maybe we make the playoffs with a under 500 record that's so funny.

Meanwhile in the West, The timberwolves are 8 and 8(500 record) as the 8th seed. Yes the West is always better than the East but our top 8 teams in the East are about the same records as the top 8 teams in the West.

[MagicFan101]

It's not that hard.
You demand a trade and team will look to move you just to remove negative attitude and potentially toxic behavior in locker room.
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It's comical to think that he would. AG has no leverage and he is not a star player. He has been nothing but a model player for this organization and has never once expressed that he doesn't want to be here. You guys just need to get over it. This FO sees him as a longterm piece of this team even if posters here don't want him to be.

I fully believe our front office has beaten AG to the punch here.

The value we want back will be high (at first), but rumors are already out that we are looking around for upgrades and all-star names are being thrown out. This is not a group which lets info slip to the media. If rumors are getting out then we are going hard ALL OVER the league and we just can’t keep tight lips for everyone.

DJ seems like a logical inclusion due to his contract but that isn’t big enough to make a deal work for the names we have been liked to. Either Evan or AG must also be involved and teams are known to be more intrigued with AG.

I expect we are already tossing his name around and just waiting for December when more big names are tradable.

[fklt]

I might be the oldest AG supporter on the board, although I wavered in vogel years. my hopes kinda renewed for him last year with his apparent emerging "maturity". but as it turns out, no, this summer he was again back to making statements like "this year, my offense is finally going to take off". I feel like frank vogel poisoned this guy for good with his paul george s***, and he's never been the same since. zach lowe's constant fanning of the flames was not helpful as well. his "cali boy" shticks was always there, but I always thought as long as he is finding success here, it wouldn't matter.

It's very obvious he didn't mature, and he won't as long as he is here. with isaac finding an another level on defense (even if he doesn't develop any offensive instincts) he in my opinion finally became replacable for good. too many stars are aligning for his trade out of orlando, and I'm at this point one hundred percent sure he'll be packaged up with bamba come this trade deadline.

[MagicStarwipe]

As a big AG supporter... I tend to agree he looks like the next one to go. Meaning Fournier and Vucevic will have outlasted Harris, Oladipo, AG, Payton and Hezonja. If you had of told me that directly after the Hezonja draft I would have stopped watching the team then and there lol.

[fendilim]

What do you guys think?



ORLANDO
Starters: Fultz | Bogdanovic | Fournier | Isaac | Vucevic
Rotation: Augustin | Ross | Aminu | Dedmon
Ltd Min: Carter-Williams | Iwundu | Birch
G-League: Frazier | Okeke | Bamba

SACRAMENTO
Starters: Fox | Hield | Barnes | Bagely | Turner
Rotation: Joseph | Ariza | Bjelica | Holmes

INDIANA
Starters: Brogdon | Oladipo | Warren | Gordon | Sabonis
Rotation: A Holiday | Lamb | Sampson | McDermott | Bitadze

I actually like it, but I'm not sure if I would want Dedmon when we already have Birch and Bamba.

I'd prefer to get another guard with Bogdanovic.

And while I also do think Bogdanovic would be redundant with Evan, I think it would work wonders for this team having another playmaker. There's just too many team players on our team, and I think unloading one for a facilitator who is also a respectable shooter would really help the grand scheme of things.

[Bensational]

You just have to look at how many mouths we have to feed on offense to realise that we don't have a sustainable team right now. Isaac and Fultz look destined to become larger cogs in the offense - if not the top 2 (in an ideal world, sans a crazy FA addition).

Shot distributions fluctuate wildly in the league, but for most there's only enough shots for 3 starters to average 13+ and one bench player to add another 10-13+.

Presently Vuc, Fournier and AG all take the lion's share and block the path for an increase from Isaac and Fultz. If those players step back to become role players, then we're overpaying role players. Up until now it hasn't mattered, because it wasn't clear if Isaac and Fultz would be ready to challenge. They're probably still not quite ready for the full time responsibility, but they're on track.

Gordon and Fournier seem like the most obvious candidates to be traded for an upgrade. But in the event we bring back another on-ball playmaker and lead scorer that means we'll still have too many mouths to feed and someone would eventually have to accept a smaller role than they may like. I don't see that as a big problem until Isaac and Fultz are clear 20ppg guys on high efficiency though.

Portland are underachieving significantly for how much money they're committed to. Gordon + Fournier + Bamba for CJ + Simons + Bazemore would give us the lead scorer our backcourt lacks, plus a kid who can shoot lights out and make Ross moveable as our 6th man scorer. Bazemore comes off the books at the end of the season.

[j-ragg]

You just have to look at how many mouths we have to feed on offense to realise that we don't have a sustainable team right now.

This is a big problem with not having a real go-to offensive star. We have a lot of guys that can average 13-17 ppg on good teams, so everyone gets a bite of the usage, which stagnates some players' progress/confidence on that end. Also think it's why we've been primed for a consolidation trade for a while now.

[fendilim]

actually, not ready to give fultz the bulk of the offense until we get a full picture of one season.

Fultz has always had good starts, but he has problems finishing the season. If he can prove he can, then why not? Then this brings you to his shoulder soreness as well. Marc Stein reported that it has been sore since last July? So... will this be a recurring thing throughout his career? How do you build around him then? Fultz has a really high potential to be a scorer in the league, but i think we need a clearer picture before jumping the gun and start laying ground works.

I dont really see any reason with us handing jI and Fultz the keys to the offense if they are more effective. I believe vuc and ag’a deals are very much movable.

[fendilim]

I think AG, like a lot of "Really Good" players, will flourish on a team where he is clearly second-fiddle offensively. He just can't /won't accept that swiss-army-knife role here where he's arguably the best player. If he were on GSW, for example, he'd chase down misses, putback misses, cut for highlight-reel lobs, and lock down opposing scorers...The D12 parallels are so true, IMO...Dwight could've been Bill Russell but he wanted to be Wilt Chamberlain - and nobody in ORL had the juice to tell him/show him to stay in his lane. He's not demanding anything on an LBJ team, he learned he can lose a power struggle twice now with Kobe and Harden. In ORL he was far and away the franchise leader with indisputable power. AG is not there, of course, but his pecking order position is still up for grabs.

Win-Win, IMO is AG + picks, Bamba, Aminu, whatever package for a legit lead scorer like DLO, Beal, CJ. If those guys don't shake loose, straight up for a Zach Lavine or similar level, less complete but more developed offensively player. I really like AG but he's hitting his ceiling on this team- he needs a winning role on a different roster and he's not what ORL needs.

I simply dont see us netting Lavine straightup for AG. Lavine is making a strong case for allstar this year. And AG, well, he is proving to be another Jeff Green. Have all the tools but just cant figure to keep things together.

[orlando_joe]

this trade cost magic to much ...he is only signed for this yr ..yes they could match but at 28 start of next season he will flat out be looking for most money can make with weak fa class magic may not want to match add dedmon to that magic would be paying crazy number for the 2 if they do with no need for dedmon and could be stuck with only him for ag .. I mean ag will make what 18 and 16 the next 2 years? that's only 3 and 5 mill more then dedmon alone..lol