The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

[zaymon]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

becouse he moves like a big not like a wing.

[zaymon]

Let's keep adding to Jabari's comps....I've heard KD, Ryan Anderson but better defense, Frye but better defense, LA with 3 pt shot, Tatum, and on and on. I will add another one Dirk Nowitzki whose offense came from being able to get his shot off over defenders and not his handles, wink wink. We can keep doing this all day.

At the end of the day, he is an 18 year old elite shooter that can get his shots over the defense without needing much space or handles to get his shot off. Being so young he can improve his strength to become better scoring around the basket, his post game is actually not too bad but in Auburn he is not put in the best position to post up. His handling can improve but I honestly don't think it needs to, to be a great player in the NBA. But if he does....omg.

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Better shooter, much less skilled Franz Wagner

Wagner and Smith would be a good duo

I agree but as a 2/3 not 3/4. We would need a lot of rim protection and rebounding.

[Petre1978]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

I would rather have Banchero than Ivey.
Ivey plays out of a lot of times.
Like he is running full speed into a wall.

[VFX]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

I would rather have Banchero than Ivey.
Ivey plays out of a lot of times.
Like he is running full speed into a wall.

The difference to me is in-game impact.

Paolo is a good passer and can shoot the ball. He just isn't a good defender against wings and pretty sub-par against bigs, even at the college level. Not necessarily a great combo even though he will probably be more effective offensively in the nba than in college.

Ivey just exudes energy. Hes going to impact the game regardless of his situation. I just hope the minutes would be there for him to succeed if Orlando actually drafts him.

[Petre1978]

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

I would rather have Banchero than Ivey.
Ivey plays out of a lot of times.
Like he is running full speed into a wall.

The difference to me is in-game impact.

Paolo is a good passer and can shoot the ball. He just isn't a good defender against wings and pretty sub-par against bigs, even at the college level. Not necessarily a great combo even though he will probably be more effective offensively in the nba than in college.

Ivey just exudes energy. Hes going to impact the game regardless of his situation. I just hope the minutes would be there for him to succeed if Orlando actually drafts him.

I think the FO counts on Suggs and Fultz as PG.
If they draft Ivey he clearly will play at SG.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

I would rather have Banchero than Ivey.
Ivey plays out of a lot of times.
Like he is running full speed into a wall.

The difference to me is in-game impact.

Paolo is a good passer and can shoot the ball. He just isn't a good defender against wings and pretty sub-par against bigs, even at the college level. Not necessarily a great combo even though he will probably be more effective offensively in the nba than in college.

Ivey just exudes energy. Hes going to impact the game regardless of his situation. I just hope the minutes would be there for him to succeed if Orlando actually drafts him.

We’ll it would likely be Cole or RJ out. Likely RJ IMO. The minutes will be there. You let Fultz/Suggs/Ivey fight it out as let Cole come off the bench. Healthy competition is a good thing. Making these guys earn their minutes is a good thing. I think Holmgren would be the only guy I would be ok passing on Ivey for but I wouldn’t pick Smith over him. No way. To me that’s like picking Jaren Jackson Jr over Morant.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

probably because Ivey doesnt look very efficient and his 3 ball is questionable, and disappears a lot in games

agreed....i'm like 3 levels?....where's the 3rd level at? but seriously ivey is probably the top guard prospect in this draft but like the other top guys he has a weakness to his game and at this point of the season that weakness is glaring....for me i have him 4th, i think chet/jabari are clearly better and it's not close but banchero and ivey are very close to me so i guess it's a 3a/3b situation....for the magic? i think if they get one of the top 2 picks the choice is simple either jabari or chet....but lets say they get third then it gets interesting...since the talent level is close between ivey and banchero i think fit becomes more of a factor....would the magic select another guard? i'm not sure....do they still believe in the guards still on the roster?

Well not only statistically (38% 3PT) but most scouts consider him a 3 level scorer and need doesn’t matter for a rebuilding team IMO. I’m really just not that high on Smith.

[tiderulz]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

probably because Ivey doesnt look very efficient and his 3 ball is questionable, and disappears a lot in games

agreed....i'm like 3 levels?....where's the 3rd level at? but seriously ivey is probably the top guard prospect in this draft but like the other top guys he has a weakness to his game and at this point of the season that weakness is glaring....for me i have him 4th, i think chet/jabari are clearly better and it's not close but banchero and ivey are very close to me so i guess it's a 3a/3b situation....for the magic? i think if they get one of the top 2 picks the choice is simple either jabari or chet....but lets say they get third then it gets interesting...since the talent level is close between ivey and banchero i think fit becomes more of a factor....would the magic select another guard? i'm not sure....do they still believe in the guards still on the roster?

if they get 3, i might honestly want to trade down a few spots

[basketballRob]

I'd like to see us draft Chet because of the relationship him and Suggs have.

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[Bensational]

If you disagree that is fine

Frye is just Jabari's Floor, his ceiling is huge. Yes He could definitely be as good as Lewis. That is part of his allure.

And I pretty certain his usg will be pretty high when he enters the league, he will be a top pick. But I don't know how much stock I put into college usg being an indicator of how good you will be as a pro. Adam Morrison had a usg of 26 and is no where to be found and Westbrook had a usg of 22, same as Frye in college, and is a future hall of famer. So I really don't know how much usg is valued when evaluating a draft prospect when it's more about potential.

I point to USG as something to be considered alongside his efficiency, not in isolation. He plays high minutes, is a high focus of the offense and still maintains highly efficient numbers. To me that suggests his chances of his skills and numbers translating to the pros are high.

Westbrook is a hall of fame loser. The dude ruins teams he’s on, he doesn’t improve them. Not the best example to use there, imo.

There have been plenty of guys with high efficiency and high usg but their games did not translate. I point again to Adam Morrison or Michael Beasley. Guys who were highly efficient with high usg in college but didn't really did do much.

Since you don't like Westbrook because of the added parameter of not being a winner, Chris Paul is a guy who had a usg of 21.5 (lower then Westbrook) with similar efficiency in his last year at Wake Forest as WRB (in terms of FG avg) and is one of the best pgs of all time.

This is all besides my point, you can probably find all types of combinations in term of high and low usg and efficiency players and being drafted. However, all I am saying is that while numbers like usg (and most players who do get drafted have high usg) play a part in drafting it is mostly based on potential.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. What is “potential” to you?

I’m not disagreeing with potential being involved, but you seem to be drawing up some pretty arbitrary lines of what constitutes as potential and what doesn’t. How do you evaluate potential without having a means of measuring or projecting it? There are players with elite physical profiles but lacking in skill as one means, the other is looking at players with proven skill with measurable data and making estimates on the potential of increased skill.

Morrison and Beasley were drafted high because they had the latter - meaning they were still drafted on an expectation of potential to continue improving. Giannis went late lottery because he had an elite profile but no reliable or efficient skill. Anthony Bennet and Oladipo went ahead of him because they had more reliable and quantified data to support the potential of their physical profiles.

Your original post centred on the point that Jabari is lacking as a shot creator off the dribble. Frye was held up as an example of a high volume perimeter scoring player that was of similar height. I’d say another comp (which would be equally off base) would be Dirk. Dirk wasn’t breaking guys down and attacking the rim for most of his points, he was using moves that got him just enough space to get his hard-to-block shot off from the mid range and from deep. You agree that Lewis is an apt comp for Jabari, too. The gap between Frye and Lewis is huge, so that’s a lot of potential. Is it not enough potential for you?

It feels more like you’ve got an archetype in mind for a top pick (LeBron/Durant/?) and Jabari doesn’t fit that, which is fine, but the points and comps you’re making to express that don’t align, imo.

[Knightro]

GAME TO WATCH 3/7/2022

San Francisco v. Gonzaga, 9pm ET on ESPN
-Chet Holmgren, No. 1 on Tankathon

[OrlChamps2030]

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.

I would rather have Banchero than Ivey.
Ivey plays out of a lot of times.
Like he is running full speed into a wall.

The difference to me is in-game impact.

Paolo is a good passer and can shoot the ball. He just isn't a good defender against wings and pretty sub-par against bigs, even at the college level. Not necessarily a great combo even though he will probably be more effective offensively in the nba than in college.

Ivey just exudes energy. Hes going to impact the game regardless of his situation. I just hope the minutes would be there for him to succeed if Orlando actually drafts him.

A comparison that’s been crossing my mind lately is Ivey-Oladipo. Oladipo was a better defender coming out, whereas Ivey looks a bit more explosive with the ball in his hands. Both needed refinement coming offensively into the league, both played with a high motor.

The fit is awkward for sure. If Ivey (or Davis, or Sharpe) is the pick, Cole really needs to be shipped out. Hell, he should have already been shipped out tbh..

[basketballRob]

Detroit looks like they'll win again. Edit, overtime.

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[thelead]

Pistons win!

[basketballRob]

Chet stuffing the stat sheet.

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[pepe1991]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

[drsd]

The Pistons on an unfathomable 3-game winning streak. Go PISTONS!

[drsd]

The Pistons won. The Rockets lost.


Orlando is tied as the worst team in the NBA

29th/30th positioned Orlando sits as :

Tied with Houston, tied in W's.
2 game worse than Detroit, with 2 less W's.
4 1/2 games worse than OKC, with 4 less W's.

[Skybox]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

I also see flaws and don’t see anyone who would be an overall #1 in most drafts. I’d still pick Jabari, but not thinking “star”. Moving down, I’m intrigued by Ivey, Mathurin, and would definitely take a long look at Sharpe …Who would you pick (at say 1, 3, 5)?