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Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1881 » by woosah » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:49 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
woosah wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Proposed trade was something like

LA Outgoing

-Lonzo
-KCP
-Ingram
-Multiple picks

LA Incoming

-Payton
-Davis

Orlando Outgoing

-Vuc
-Filler (could be Augustine)

Orlando Incoming

-Lonzo
-KCP (expiring)
-SRP (possibly from NOP)

NOP Outgoing
-Davis
-EP

NOP Incoming
- Vucevic
- Ingram
- Multiple FRP via Lakers

Seems low for Davis if you ask me.

lol. it's twitter. someone is dreaming and NOLA isn't dealing.


Apparently this dude has close ties to Lebron and was one of the first people to leak/break the LeBron to LA move. Interesting none the less.

With all things considered if that were to happen I would be mad for a few days because that means no playoffs and we’re back to tanking, but would understand the move. As much as I love winning we’re nowhere close to contending and if managment has no intentions in resigning Vucevic then I guess trading him to the highest bidder makes sense. Ball comes with his warts, but he could blossom with no pressure here in Orlando with our core and Clifford.

He would have to know NOLA's FO and ours and he doesn't. He knows our FO would want Lonzo? Of all the things NOLA could get they would take Vuc and Ingram? lol When they know Boston is interested and could start a war later? anyway i guess it's no different than the t&t board so have at it. I think it's bull.
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Post#1882 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:52 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Honestly I hope we can keep Nik and Ross while Bamba works on his game.


Do you think Vuc would even want to take a 1-2 year team friendly deal with Orlando? The man is going to want to be paid if he isn’t on a contender at this point in his career.

This is why I think that as good as he is playing, we will ultimately end up trading him to the highest bidder this year. Vuc is playing his self off bc he knows its contract year and he wants to get PAID! He knows this is his last chance to land a big contract. Bamba is the future and Weltman isnt gonna give vuc a 4-5 guaranteed deal at 20mil per. I would like to keep him for another 1-2 years until Bamba is ready to start but Vuc isnt gonna take a 1-2 year deal with the way he is playing. Him and his agent are going to go for lon-term 20mil plus kind of deal and Orlando is not going to provide that.

I think we will sell high on Vuc and hopefully get some PG target or a FRP for him. Weltman/Hammond value that expiring deal of his alot more now with Bamba. Doubt Vuc is on this roster next year. I think WEltman will try to move him, Fournier, Simmons as much as possible before the deadline for a PG upgrade. Thats what we are missing.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1883 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:59 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I’m still confused how Vucevic (expiring) + Ingram (good, but not setting the world on fire prospect) + (2) non-exsistent FRP’s gets you Anthony Davis.

This sounds like bologna.

You would imagine that Boston can easily beat that offer. I’m all for boosting our own players value, but if Vuc really holds that much value then we should really be looking elsewhere to deal him.

Because its all crap. This is the time of year where "experts" make up sources and BS rumors to make a name for themselves. Think about it. Nikilita, Lonzo, Fultz? What do they all have in common? Underwhelming PG who can't shoot and provide nothing that we need for this team right now. This team desperately needs a PG that can penetrate, dish, set up his teammates and for the love of god guard the pick and roll.

Wetman/Hammons keep things very tight. The fact that the media and these rumors are swirling about Fultz, Nikita, and Lonzo tells me that they will be going after someone completely different. Im hoping for Dinwiddie but its gonna cost.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1884 » by woosah » Mon Dec 3, 2018 7:05 am

Vuc would be mad to go to the lakers because they will not pay him next year. He'd be a rental. I guess it would just be business but hearing that may make him want to extend now for a team friendly deal. Lol ok not really but may as well post my far out there fantasy. I don't even like Ball but i'd rather that than 40mil/capkill man. He fits the length non shooting supposed good defender thing we seem to go for.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1885 » by pepe1991 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 7:43 am

lol

I'm watching Suns - LAL last night and for whole game i can't find single positive thing about Lozno's game.
And he is like best among tragic trio that media tries to connect with Magic.

I highly doubt any of them will be starter in 2020 and Frank and Fultz might both be gone from nba pass 2021. Hell, if Lonzo gets traded he'll be MCW-ed really fast on team that doesn't need invest in him as much Lakers need ( to justfy pick, that looks like wrong decision every night ).
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Post#1886 » by RookieStar » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:04 am

Does LA have a video of WeHam doing stuff with a horse? cuz no way we trading Vuc and getting only Lonzo back.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1887 » by SOUL » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:07 am

People were hoping Vuc for a 2nd rounder earlier in the year.

Even in fake rumors, unless it's a team desperate for a really good center to ONLY compete for this season, they aren't going to part with much.

Best you could hope for is a Fournier or Harris scenario where you get back a young player that isn't really valued by their team and doesn't have much scouting on them but good upside.
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Post#1888 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Dec 3, 2018 11:47 am

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Honestly I hope we can keep Nik and Ross while Bamba works on his game.

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Post#1889 » by OrlandoMagic » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:08 pm

If we trade and get Lonzo I think that would be the dagger in my heart. I would honestly stop being a Magic fan.
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Post#1890 » by Catledge » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:08 pm

It seems to me that the best course of action with our center position is obvious: re-sign Vooch to a 4 year deal at $20m per and in two years trade either him or Bamba for a high-level guard. Assuming Vooch doesn't get injured, the worst of the likely scenarios is that we trade him in a salary dump. The best is that we trade him for somebody as good as him at another position while a developed Bamba takes the starting center spot.

This maximizes our assets while insuring us against the possibility that Bamba never becomes as good as Vooch, and it gives us an avenue for continued improvement without cap space.
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Post#1891 » by Knightro » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:17 pm

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Post#1892 » by drsd » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:49 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Do you think Vuc would even want to take a 1-2 year team friendly deal with Orlando? The man is going to want to be paid if he isn’t on a contender at this point in his career.


I do think that 3 years at 80-90M could get it done.


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Post#1893 » by j-ragg » Mon Dec 3, 2018 2:24 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Do you think Vuc would even want to take a 1-2 year team friendly deal with Orlando? The man is going to want to be paid if he isn’t on a contender at this point in his career.


I do think that 3 years at 80-90M could get it done.


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In case another team tries to capitalize on him, I think it’d be better to offer him 200+ million.
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Post#1894 » by basketballRob » Mon Dec 3, 2018 2:40 pm

woosah wrote:Vuc would be mad to go to the lakers because they will not pay him next year. He'd be a rental. I guess it would just be business but hearing that may make him want to extend now for a team friendly deal. Lol ok not really but may as well post my far out there fantasy. I don't even like Ball but i'd rather that than 40mil/capkill man. He fits the length non shooting supposed good defender thing we seem to go for.



Do you think we give him more than what the rest of the market will give? If he went to the Lakers and was a UFA at the end of the year he'll sign with the highest bidder. If he stayed with us we're not going to give him more than what the highest bidder would give and we may just let him go if the market is too high.


I personally still don't see any team giving him 20m per year.
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Post#1895 » by woosah » Mon Dec 3, 2018 3:03 pm

basketballRob wrote:
woosah wrote:Vuc would be mad to go to the lakers because they will not pay him next year. He'd be a rental. I guess it would just be business but hearing that may make him want to extend now for a team friendly deal. Lol ok not really but may as well post my far out there fantasy. I don't even like Ball but i'd rather that than 40mil/capkill man. He fits the length non shooting supposed good defender thing we seem to go for.



Do you think we give him more than what the rest of the market will give? If he went to the Lakers and was a UFA at the end of the year he'll sign with the highest bidder. If he stayed with us we're not going to give him more than what the highest bidder would give and we may just let him go if the market is too high.


I personally still don't see any team giving him 20m per year.

No i don't think we would pay him big. I was thinking more from the lakers side with my comment. They want to chase star players and definitely won't pay him is all. Will he get a Jokic type salary on the market? I don't see it. I really don't know though.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1896 » by Def Swami » Mon Dec 3, 2018 3:25 pm

It really depends on how much you value Lonzo Ball's potential. Coming out of college, it was hard to deny his 41% shooting from 3, especially the difficulty of shots he was taking. His vision was next-level. I figured he'd regress somewhat in the NBA, but his performance thus far has been a lot worse than I anticipated. I haven't seen much to be encouraged by from Lonzo Ball. Even his on court demeanor leaves a lot to be desired. I often watch him and feel like he plays a disinterested game. I'm not all the way out on Ball, but I've got one foot out the door.

I also don't really buy the Magic trading Vucevic. These rumors are nice, but as long as the Magic are in playoff contention, I don't believe the Magic will entertain trading their best player. Right or wrong, it's explicit that the Magic want to make the playoffs. They want to change the culture and expectations in the organization and they are finally making strides. The right move is probably to move Vucevic given the risk of losing an asset in the off-season for nothing, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post#1897 » by trebone » Mon Dec 3, 2018 3:39 pm

If he was traded to the Lakers I could see them resigning him, theyd have his bird rights and could go over the cap after they agree to any free agents.
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Post#1898 » by woosah » Mon Dec 3, 2018 3:49 pm

trebone wrote:If he was traded to the Lakers I could see them resigning him, theyd have his bird rights and could go over the cap after they agree to any free agents.

Not if the rumored goal is AD. If not, then i guess.
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Post#1899 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:14 pm

pepe1991 wrote:lol

I'm watching Suns - LAL last night and for whole game i can't find single positive thing about Lozno's game.
And he is like best among tragic trio that media tries to connect with Magic.

I highly doubt any of them will be starter in 2020 and Frank and Fultz might both be gone from nba pass 2021. Hell, if Lonzo gets traded he'll be MCW-ed really fast on team that doesn't need invest in him as much Lakers need ( to justfy pick, that looks like wrong decision every night ).



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Post#1900 » by NotACat » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:34 pm

I would love to bring Ingram here to be our PG.

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