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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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Scoring Guard
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Great Shooter
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3&D Wing
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Post#1881 » by Ducklett » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 am

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I agree. I think there is maybe 1-2 all star(s) in this draft tops. The middle of the draft looks like a lot of solid contributors and some decent back up guards that will be in the league for a long time.


I disagree on “1-2 all stars tops” in this class.

I see this class as lacking a “franchise” talent like Lebron, Giannis, Luka or Kawhi.

But remember that guys like Vuc, Sobonis, Middleton and Lowry have been All Stars recently.

I think this draft could produce closer to 5 guys at that level.


Situational allstars really don't move the needle all that much. Over years guys like Korver, Teague, Millsap, Hibbert, Noah, Loul Deng, Bynum made their way to allstar teams. However, non of them was transending star nor really all that elite.

Maybe i should have said " I don't see future top 10-15 player " in this draft.

But it's possible there will be some Colin Sexton type production/player early and look like steal, averaging 20 ppg on trash team because somebody has to take shots.
Or how Myles Turner looked like complete stud, as one of youngest rookies, putting up 10 ppg, blocking shots, protecting paint, improving jumpshot... Just to find out 5 years later, he is pretty much same player who's potential was reached at age of 19.


I think there would need to be something OUTRAGEOUS happening to find a top 10-15 player in this draft. Mellow Balls might have the best chance at like .01%. Maybe some player like Terry or Maxey or Hampton is secretly a baller in the mold of Kawhi where they are a really late bloomer or something. Who knows. I would say that most likely you are right and this could be a 1-2 allstar draft. It seems all over the place and it was considered bad before Covid came.

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1882 » by MagicFan101 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:07 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
I agree. I think there is maybe 1-2 all star(s) in this draft tops. The middle of the draft looks like a lot of solid contributors and some decent back up guards that will be in the league for a long time.


I disagree on “1-2 all stars tops” in this class.

I see this class as lacking a “franchise” talent like Lebron, Giannis, Luka or Kawhi.

But remember that guys like Vuc, Sobonis, Middleton and Lowry have been All Stars recently.

I think this draft could produce closer to 5 guys at that level.


Situational allstars really don't move the needle all that much. Over years guys like Korver, Teague, Millsap, Hibbert, Noah, Loul Deng, Bynum made their way to allstar teams. However, non of them was transending star nor really all that elite.

Maybe i should have said " I don't see future top 10-15 player " in this draft.

But it's possible there will be some Colin Sexton type production/player early and look like steal, averaging 20 ppg on trash team because somebody has to take shots.
Or how Myles Turner looked like complete stud, as one of youngest rookies, putting up 10 ppg, blocking shots, protecting paint, improving jumpshot... Just to find out 5 years later, he is pretty much same player who's potential was reached at age of 19.



You’re suggesting that guys on the level of Vuc, Lowry, Middleton, Noah, Millshap, Deng or Kover would be of no use to the Orlando Magic with the #15 pick in what is considered a bad draft class??

Not every pick can be LeBron James ...

You can’t have an entire roster of HoF players ...
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1883 » by pepe1991 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:59 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
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I disagree on “1-2 all stars tops” in this class.

I see this class as lacking a “franchise” talent like Lebron, Giannis, Luka or Kawhi.

But remember that guys like Vuc, Sobonis, Middleton and Lowry have been All Stars recently.

I think this draft could produce closer to 5 guys at that level.


Situational allstars really don't move the needle all that much. Over years guys like Korver, Teague, Millsap, Hibbert, Noah, Loul Deng, Bynum made their way to allstar teams. However, non of them was transending star nor really all that elite.

Maybe i should have said " I don't see future top 10-15 player " in this draft.

But it's possible there will be some Colin Sexton type production/player early and look like steal, averaging 20 ppg on trash team because somebody has to take shots.
Or how Myles Turner looked like complete stud, as one of youngest rookies, putting up 10 ppg, blocking shots, protecting paint, improving jumpshot... Just to find out 5 years later, he is pretty much same player who's potential was reached at age of 19.



You’re suggesting that guys on the level of Vuc, Lowry, Middleton, Noah, Millshap, Deng or Kover would be of no use to the Orlando Magic with the #15 pick in what is considered a bad draft class??

Not every pick can be LeBron James ...

You can’t have an entire roster of HoF players ...


They would, but those type of players will be in this draft hidden between whole first round and nobody is sure shot allstar.
Most teams will stil draft long term projects or mediocre prospects that will fade over years. ( that's why i refered to 2006 draft, where vast majority of first round selected players weren't even in nba after 6 years.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1884 » by MagicFan101 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:08 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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pepe1991 wrote:
Situational allstars really don't move the needle all that much. Over years guys like Korver, Teague, Millsap, Hibbert, Noah, Loul Deng, Bynum made their way to allstar teams. However, non of them was transending star nor really all that elite.

Maybe i should have said " I don't see future top 10-15 player " in this draft.

But it's possible there will be some Colin Sexton type production/player early and look like steal, averaging 20 ppg on trash team because somebody has to take shots.
Or how Myles Turner looked like complete stud, as one of youngest rookies, putting up 10 ppg, blocking shots, protecting paint, improving jumpshot... Just to find out 5 years later, he is pretty much same player who's potential was reached at age of 19.



You’re suggesting that guys on the level of Vuc, Lowry, Middleton, Noah, Millshap, Deng or Kover would be of no use to the Orlando Magic with the #15 pick in what is considered a bad draft class??

Not every pick can be LeBron James ...

You can’t have an entire roster of HoF players ...


They would, but those type of players will be in this draft hidden between whole first round and nobody is sure shot allstar.
Most teams will stil draft long term projects or mediocre prospects that will fade over years. ( that's why i refered to 2006 draft, where vast majority of first round selected players weren't even in nba after 6 years.


Your comment was that fringe all stars don’t move the needle. This surprises me as you are the ultimate Vuc Fan-Boy.

So I don’t get what you are trying to say.

My point what that I believe there will be ~5 of these level players in this draft class. We just won’t have a franchise altering super star.

Also, there will be a few such fringe all stars available at 15 I predict.

So can Orlando do their research can find that player?

We shouldn’t punt on this class just because it is perceived to be weak and lacks a Lebron / Giannis. That is my point.
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Post#1885 » by Bensational » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:12 pm

Lol, people saying this draft lacks a Giannis, like Giannis was on an obvious track to become the Giannis he is now... There's a reason he went mid 1st round. Anyone slated around our pick range could be the next Giannis and we wouldn't know until they start to become it. Jaden McDaniels might freakishly blossom.

I'm confident there will be someone of a Jokic/Gobert/CJ/Mitchell-lite kind of player in this draft, and still on the board at #15. Can we pick them? That's TBD.
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Post#1886 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:13 pm

Bensational wrote:Lol, people saying this draft lacks a Giannis, like Giannis was on an obvious track to become the Giannis he is now... There's a reason he went mid 1st round. Anyone slated around our pick range could be the next Giannis and we wouldn't know until they start to become it. Jaden McDaniels might freakishly blossom.

I'm confident there will be someone of a Jokic/Gobert/CJ/Mitchell-lite kind of player in this draft, and still on the board at #15. Can we pick them? That's TBD.

Agreed. Might lack the "obvious"... but i'm sure some exist. McDaniels is a player i was considering especially if we could get another midround pick and fill a position of need with the 15th. Fournier and the second for a mid first... lol... i don't know... just thinking out loud.
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Post#1887 » by basketballRob » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:53 pm

So many guards to chose from this year, probably in both rounds.

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Post#1888 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:26 am

Bensational wrote:Lol, people saying this draft lacks a Giannis, like Giannis was on an obvious track to become the Giannis he is now... There's a reason he went mid 1st round. Anyone slated around our pick range could be the next Giannis and we wouldn't know until they start to become it. Jaden McDaniels might freakishly blossom.

I'm confident there will be someone of a Jokic/Gobert/CJ/Mitchell-lite kind of player in this draft, and still on the board at #15. Can we pick them? That's TBD.


You can't look at apsolute anomaly and search for pattern. Jokic was 41st pick.

Most of those guys were hidden due poor scouting of europien prospects, that's really not a case any more.
And most of long term prospects, that Giannis was viewed to be, end up being Bruno Caboclo type prospects. After few years teams simply lose any desire and patience to keep investing money into something that probably will never be worth keeping.

In whole draft there will probably be 1 - 2 guys with hidden high upside potential. But most teams will still draft very average- or even very bad players.

If you go back for 2014 draft , where Jokic was selected, i went back and tried to sort and separate draftees into:
a) elite
b) contributor
c) didn't do anything special ( DDAS)
d) complete waste of pick

1) Wiggins - didn't do anything special ( very close to being complete waste of pick)
2) Parker- didn't do anything special
3). Embiid -elite
4) Gordon - contributor
5) Exum- complete waste of pick
6) Smart- contributor
7) Randle- DDAS
8) Stauskas- waste
9) Vonleh- waste
10) Payton DDAS
11) Mcdermott- waste
12) Saric- contributor/DDAS
13) Lavine- contributor / borderline elite
14) TJ Warren- contributor
15) Payne- waste
16) Nurkić - contributor
17) Young- waste
18) Ennis- waste
19) Harris- contributor
20) Coboclo- waste
21) McGary- waste
22) Jordan Adams- waste
23) Hood- contributor
24) Napier- didn't do anything special
25) Capela- contributor
26) Hairstone- waste
27) Bogdanovic ( Kings one) - contributor
28) Wiclox- waste
29) Huestis- waste
30) Kyle Anderson - contributor/ DDAS


So in whole 2014 first round there is 1 elite player, 1 close to elite player, 9 contributors and 19 complete wastes of a pick that did nothing.
In total, 63% of all selected players were vaste of a time and money.
And this was one of most overhyped drafts in history. Now we are having one of the worst drafts in recent history and why in a hell anybody should expect anything close to Mitchell/Gobert type prospects?
This is draft where luckiest team will go home with some Paul Millsap prospect and others will be heading homes with Marcus Williams and Hilton Armstrong.
Indicator that draft is garbage is fact that probably best runned organisation in NBA, Warriors, are shopping 2# pick.

This draft flat out does not have top 15-20 nba level potential player. Non. Gobert, Mitchell, Jokić are all top 20 players.

As far as objective chance at Giannis type player after lottery is gone.
I went from 1991 to 2018 drafts. 27 years, looking between 15 and 25 slot ( to avoid late first round players picked by contenders who never got real chance ). 270 players
This are guys who come close to Giannis, including Giannis: Giannis, Kawhi,Kiriljenko and Artest. Your chance at adding elite player with that selection is epic 1,48%. ( not to mention that Kiriljenko and Aretest combined for 2 allstar games in total, but i had nobody else to add , if you remove them, chances for Kawhi and Giannis after lottery in first round is 0,7% )


Very late edit* Julius Randle is contributor, went later and saw mistake
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1889 » by KillMonger » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:32 am

man so teams pretty much have 1 month to finalize rosters and get ready for the season.....they should move up free agency and the draft
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Post#1890 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:00 am

wtf is going on with pushed start of the season?

They want to start new season mid December? That's 45 days from today?!

Draft is yet to happen, free agency is yet to happen, camps should be open within 20-25 days?
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Post#1891 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:28 am

Going to be fireworks soon! Hope the Magic actually participate in a wild offseason.
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Post#1892 » by Tarheel » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:56 pm

Training camps start in 5 weeks and the offseason hasn't even started - this is going to be a fun November.

All it takes is the possibility of losing hundreds of millions of dollars to make people get on the same page quickly :lol:
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Post#1893 » by Def Swami » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:13 pm

KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock
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Post#1894 » by tiderulz » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:54 pm

pepe1991 wrote:wtf is going on with pushed start of the season?

They want to start new season mid December? That's 45 days from today?!

Draft is yet to happen, free agency is yet to happen, camps should be open within 20-25 days?

they apparently lost over a billion dollars. what did you think was going to happen.
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Post#1895 » by drsd » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:03 pm

Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock


Apparently Terry has the highest IQ of any NBA prospect ever tested.

But it's that 40+% long ball that gets him drafted.

Perhaps he plays an off-the-ball PG role for Orlando where Fultz runs the show from the 2 position. This is reminiscent of the Bulls PGs Paxton and Armstrong back when who played alongside a quite ok SG of that era.
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Post#1896 » by Knightro » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:43 pm

Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock


The interesting nugget I took from KOC's latest mock...

The Hawks are shopping their first-round pick and intend to push for the playoffs, according to multiple league sources.

And O'Connor's suggestion was DeRozan and 11 for 6.

If they would be interested in DeRozan and 11 for 6, would they potentially be interested in an opted-in Fournier and 15 for 6?

Or Aaron Gordon + 45 for 6?
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Post#1897 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:15 pm

drsd wrote:
Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock


Apparently Terry has the highest IQ of any NBA prospect ever tested.

But it's that 40+% long ball that gets him drafted.

Perhaps he plays an off-the-ball PG role for Orlando where Fultz runs the show from the 2 position. This is reminiscent of the Bulls PGs Paxton and Armstrong back when who played alongside a quite ok SG of that era.


Just looked it up, thanks! Pretty in depth/good read.
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Post#1898 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:27 pm

Still a 6'2 guard... And I'm a superfan of Meer, but other than that. We and the league doesn't have a great track record with undersized guards.
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Post#1899 » by dsg2021 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:28 pm

Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15. <br style="-webkit-user-select: auto;">https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock


Never been more sure of these players I like:

My highest:
A. Nesmith - If ORL FO wants to embrace consecutive B or B+ moves for an eventual snowball effect greater than its parts, like they seem to do, this is it. Even individually, Nesmith has great length. He's a sharpshooter who actually should be upgraded into being called a sniper. And he's not just a typical sniper, he's the right kind of sniper who fits the NBA style, with all the right tricks the best NBA snipers have. There's upside here in many other areas too. Finally, if ORL FO is as high on Okeke as they seem, then Nesmith and Okeke will be much more impactful than outsiders would think. It also sets the table for Fultz to take a next step. Idk, maybe I'm too addicted to shooting. But Jay Bilas is high on him, thinks Nesmith is easily gone before #12.
T. Haliburton - Easy NBA-level starter, ticks so many boxes with his IQ, height, and passing, plus the decent offense he has already. The package is all there to mold this PG into some kind of perfect piece teams love, whether its starter-level, semi-All Star, or perennial All Star.
A. Edwards - Dude has so many question marks imho, a lot of people saying he needs to pass better, he needs to attack more, he needs to D up more, he hasn't been on winning teams, he catches-and-holds, then has bad shot selection. I don't value his transition strength that much either, because I don't value transition too much in the first place. But I love him for two reasons, he's got the fire, the handle, and the "shake" to be an elite shot-maker on the levels with legitimate comparisons to stars like James Harden and Donovan Mitchell. And he's got the length and athleticism to back it up, like let's drive in and make contact harder than the defender gives. And he's still younger than most in the draft, too. Secondly, if ORL gets a very, very fair offer for a top 3 pick, like GSW's, it'd be too hard to pass up. A certain Coach named Cliff helped unlocked Kemba into a perennial All Star.. The Oladipo comparisons made some sense, which kind of turned us off, because we all knew the long process with him, but I actually found it to be one of the less accurate comps for him. He's way more like Harden and Mitchell, and way more along Oladipo at his age. We will be quite happy with Edwards if he doesn't bomb his shooting percentages for more than 1 season or so (I like his form and release, his hops to get it off, his confidence, so I'm weirdly not so worried about it), and if some team/coach is able to unlock Edwards into a more well-rounded, smarter player, which is what he's missing to be an All Star. Jay Bilas ranks him #1.


Also high on:
K. Hayes - Betting on a star here. But he already has good passing and some good offense, so you even have a floor.
T. Terry - Not just a sniper, but also a little bit of star betting here again, because he has the "it" factor. But his length is not good, and he's still not quite as NBA-capable a sniper as Nesmith. It's more everything else he can do for you besides sniping.
D. Vassell - Best 3-D player, emphasis on the length and defense! Great size for 2/3, and still young and improving. Jay Bilas is high on him.
J. Green - A 3-D player with the Mickael Pietrus comparison that I loved. It means he's more disruptive on defense than other 3-D players. It means he can do some attacking that other 3-D players can't. Still young.
D. Bane - Great 3-D player, don't care that he's older.
J. McDaniels - A later round wing I liked a lot, because of incredible length, with good handle and shooting. Some star potential hiding here.
R.J. Hampton - A jumpshot away from star potential.
S. Bey - Very solid 3-D player.
O. Okongwu - Antonio McDyess comparison was all I needed.
J. Smith - Modern NBA 4.
T. Maledon - Draft and stash PG with a lot of boxes ticked.
L. Bolmaro - I've cooled down on him, surprisingly. On the dribble shooting is okay, but still kind of missing a jumpshot to really be worth his countryman's Ginobili comps. Not sure I even see the craftiness of Ginobili's level. Happy to fall in love with him if our real scouts and FO take him, though. As an aside, someone has to help me here. For the life of me, I could have sworn some of us really liked one of his teammates, or some other Spanish/Argentinian player in Europe, but I cannot find out who it was. I think his age was like 24, but I remember a few of us being more blown away by his versatility and scoring than Bolmaro. I'm sure there's going to be like 5-10 players being missed out on big time, because they weren't "media consensus top 30".
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Post#1900 » by KillMonger » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:01 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Still a 6'2 guard... And I'm a superfan of Meer, but other than that. We and the league doesn't have a great track record with undersized guards.

apparently he's 6'3 now, grew an inch.....so height wise he's on par more or less with the glut of combo guards around our range
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