Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[MagicFan101]

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You can feel in Hammond's voice regret over not trading whole roster for Doncic or Young, and ending up with Bumba instad

Regret implies a wrong decision on his part.

You still can’t prove that there was a trade offer on the table to move up to #4. There is zero chance Atlanta would have traded with us, so #3 was out and we know Dallas wanted Luka so #5 wasn’t the target. We had to make a deal at #4 and we don’t known for sure a deal was there. You guys continue to speculate as if it were served up on a gold platter and he said “no thanks” …

[tiderulz]

I would trade 5+8+Chicago+Denver every day of the week if I'm guaranteed to land Green.

Let me ask it this way: would you trade 5+8+Chicago+Denver for Doncic? Especially knowing that you'll have your own lotto pick next year to go along with RJ, Cole, JI, Fultz, WCJ, Chuma, Bamba, and a ton of cap space?

If we miss, so be it but we took the shot.

i guess i dont view Green as an absolute 100% cant miss, elevates every other player on the team prospect. Would i do it for Doncic? absolutely. Green isnt Doncic.

Green isn't Doncic but your opinion regarding Doncic is heavily influenced by what he became. He wasn't an absolute 100% cant miss prospect. No one is. Not even LeBron. Now, I do think Doncic was a better prospect than Green but again, who are you banking on in THIS draft? I'm not talking about giving away any of our own lotto picks moving forward.

no. it was colored by what he had already done. he was dominating a pro league at 18. Green wasnt dominating. he played good hence him being a top-3ish pick. but Doncic had already proven more than Green has prior to the draft. and i guess we will disagree on some view. Lebron was absolutely a cant miss prospect. now that doesnt mean he was expected to be GOATish, but he was absolutely a cant miss prospect.

[zaymon]

I would trade 5+8+Chicago+Denver every day of the week if I'm guaranteed to land Green.

Let me ask it this way: would you trade 5+8+Chicago+Denver for Doncic? Especially knowing that you'll have your own lotto pick next year to go along with RJ, Cole, JI, Fultz, WCJ, Chuma, Bamba, and a ton of cap space?

If we miss, so be it but we took the shot.

i guess i dont view Green as an absolute 100% cant miss, elevates every other player on the team prospect. Would i do it for Doncic? absolutely. Green isnt Doncic.

Green isn't Doncic but your opinion regarding Doncic is heavily influenced by what he became. He wasn't an absolute 100% cant miss prospect. No one is. Not even LeBron. Now, I do think Doncic was a better prospect than Green but again, who are you banking on in THIS draft? I'm not talking about giving away any of our own lotto picks moving forward.

Doncic was generational talent coming into the draft. Spanish league mvp at 18 years old. Green propably wouldnt even start at 19. I thought Ayton going first and Bagley second in mocks was a joke made by american media.

[thelead]

i guess i dont view Green as an absolute 100% cant miss, elevates every other player on the team prospect. Would i do it for Doncic? absolutely. Green isnt Doncic.

Green isn't Doncic but your opinion regarding Doncic is heavily influenced by what he became. He wasn't an absolute 100% cant miss prospect. No one is. Not even LeBron. Now, I do think Doncic was a better prospect than Green but again, who are you banking on in THIS draft? I'm not talking about giving away any of our own lotto picks moving forward.

no. it was colored by what he had already done. he was dominating a pro league at 18. Green wasnt dominating. he played good hence him being a top-3ish pick. but Doncic had already proven more than Green has prior to the draft. and i guess we will disagree on some view. Lebron was absolutely a cant miss prospect. now that doesnt mean he was expected to be GOATish, but he was absolutely a cant miss prospect.

LeBron came in as a 'next Jordan/face of the league'. That's what I meant by he wasn't a guarantee.

[thelead]

i guess i dont view Green as an absolute 100% cant miss, elevates every other player on the team prospect. Would i do it for Doncic? absolutely. Green isnt Doncic.

Green isn't Doncic but your opinion regarding Doncic is heavily influenced by what he became. He wasn't an absolute 100% cant miss prospect. No one is. Not even LeBron. Now, I do think Doncic was a better prospect than Green but again, who are you banking on in THIS draft? I'm not talking about giving away any of our own lotto picks moving forward.

Doncic was generational talent coming into the draft. Spanish league mvp at 18 years old. Green propably wouldnt even start at 19. I thought Ayton going first and Bagley second in mocks was a joke made by american media.

I'm going to need both of you to guarantee the next 100% sure-fire MVP candidate for drafts moving forward. Is there one in this draft?

When I say 'can't miss' I mean 'sure-fire face of the league' type of player. No one is ever that.

[Nyce_1]

Listening to Josh Robbins on The Beat of Sports with Marc Daniels.

Robbins low key crapping on the Magic's head coaching search for not interviewing Kenny Atkinson or Terry Stotts.

He was very subtly hinting that he believes the Magic opted to hire the coach who would do what the front office wanted above all else over hiring a coach who would potentially be more stubborn.

EDIT: Marc Daniels immediately caught on and they both very openly are now saying that the Magic hired someone who will take orders pretty much. Someone who will do exactly what the front office wants.

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

[Nyce_1]

Listening to Josh Robbins on The Beat of Sports with Marc Daniels.

Robbins low key crapping on the Magic's head coaching search for not interviewing Kenny Atkinson or Terry Stotts.

He was very subtly hinting that he believes the Magic opted to hire the coach who would do what the front office wanted above all else over hiring a coach who would potentially be more stubborn.

EDIT: Marc Daniels immediately caught on and they both very openly are now saying that the Magic hired someone who will take orders pretty much. Someone who will do exactly what the front office wants.

For anyone who wants to listen to the interview:

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-beat-of-sports-26936826/episode/why-the-magic-picked-jamahl-mosley-84792280/?cmp=android_share&sc=android_social_share&pr=false

[SOUL]

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

A well liked players coach that will actually develop people and not be a retread coach like Clifford or Scottie Brooks or whoever is a breath of fresh air, I really don't even care about the politics behind it.

[Bakomagic]

Don’t see what the big deal is ? Why would they hire anyone who is not on the same page as them ?

Even if you hired the most sought after coach and made him GM/coach, he would have enough on his plate without having the personnel department having to always check in with him when looking to acquire players and whatnot.

Has that ever worked out ? The best way to do it is keep them separate while making sure the Coach and Personnel folks have similar strategies and goals.

[SOUL]

Don’t see what the big deal is ? Why would they hire anyone who is not on the same page as them ?

Even if you hired the most sought after coach and made him GM/coach, he would have enough on his plate without having the personnel department having to always check in with him when looking to acquire players and whatnot.

Has that ever worked out ? The best way to do it is keep them separate while making sure the Coach and Personnel folks have similar strategies and goals.

If anything, Hennigan and Skiles were not on the same page and that seemed 100% like a Martins involved hire.

[MagicFan101]

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

A well liked players coach that will actually develop people and not be a retread coach like Clifford or Scottie Brooks or whoever is a breath of fresh air, I really don't even care about the politics behind it.

Agreed. The other stuff doesn’t matter until we are worrying about competitive games.

[fendilim]

i guess i dont view Green as an absolute 100% cant miss, elevates every other player on the team prospect. Would i do it for Doncic? absolutely. Green isnt Doncic.

Green isn't Doncic but your opinion regarding Doncic is heavily influenced by what he became. He wasn't an absolute 100% cant miss prospect. No one is. Not even LeBron. Now, I do think Doncic was a better prospect than Green but again, who are you banking on in THIS draft? I'm not talking about giving away any of our own lotto picks moving forward.

Doncic was generational talent coming into the draft. Spanish league mvp at 18 years old. Green propably wouldnt even start at 19. I thought Ayton going first and Bagley second in mocks was a joke made by american media.

True. And somehow he is not a can’t miss prospect, according to some

[fendilim]

Don’t see what the big deal is ? Why would they hire anyone who is not on the same page as them ?

Even if you hired the most sought after coach and made him GM/coach, he would have enough on his plate without having the personnel department having to always check in with him when looking to acquire players and whatnot.

Has that ever worked out ? The best way to do it is keep them separate while making sure the Coach and Personnel folks have similar strategies and goals.

If anything, Hennigan and Skiles were not on the same page and that seemed 100% like a Martins involved hire.

Wasnt theSkiles hiring proven to be a Martins’ hire? I remember Reading an article saying Henni wanted to promote Adrian Griffin instead

[fendilim]

Listening to Josh Robbins on The Beat of Sports with Marc Daniels.

Robbins low key crapping on the Magic's head coaching search for not interviewing Kenny Atkinson or Terry Stotts.

He was very subtly hinting that he believes the Magic opted to hire the coach who would do what the front office wanted above all else over hiring a coach who would potentially be more stubborn.

EDIT: Marc Daniels immediately caught on and they both very openly are now saying that the Magic hired someone who will take orders pretty much. Someone who will do exactly what the front office wants.

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

Imo, i’m not. Obviously we want someone like Kenny who has a proven track record. But i dont think they are on the same page on “tanking”.

When you’re known as a tanking coach, its extremely difficult to be taken seriously after you’re fired from the job.

[pepe1991]

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

A well liked players coach that will actually develop people and not be a retread coach like Clifford or Scottie Brooks or whoever is a breath of fresh air, I really don't even care about the politics behind it.

But he never coached anybody.
Fizdale was most addored assistent coach in nba, for 4 years there were articles how he is next big coaching thing, before he started to caoch anybody.
Within 3 years his reputation went from basically best person alive to arrogant d**k who clashed heads in middle of playoffs with best player and guy who reached rock bottom with Knicks.

Being assistent coach doesn't mean jack ***t. Those guys can be best friends with everybody behind a scenes, mostly because they will never clash heads with players. Assistent coaches don't draw plays, they don't make roster menagment decisions, they don't decide PT nor make rotations. Head coach does all of that. Being assistent coach means you will never be in position to explain to 20 years old kid why he will be now DNP-CD guy or send him to G league. You will also never need to explain your "Pippen" why your "Kukoc" should take last shot, because he is better shooter.
This is how frictions between players and coaches are made. And assistents simply don't deal with non of it.

Jamahl Mosley can be great coach, but also can be terrible one. "retreads" get jobs because they won't need 2 years of coaching to learn ego menagment and how to keep lockerroom together. There is good reason why most NBA coaches only get 1 coaching gig in their lifes and others get like 15 years of coaching. Just look at facts.
Average coaching "life" is 3 and half years or something like that.
Now combine it with fact that Popovich is coach for 27 years, Carlise for 20, Rivers for 22, Spo and Snyder for 8.
Witch means, most nba coaches last for year and half.

[SOUL]

Jamahl Mosley can be great coach, but also can be terrible one.

No offense but this is what your post boils down to, which is correct.. so let's give him a shot. I don't think he will be terrible in terms of lack of preparedness or the know how to be a head coach (Vaughn), or someone whose heart wasn't fully in it (Skiles).. so we'll see. I think at the very least the guys will buy in because even if you hate every young player we have, they seem like good character guys that have been working out with each other. Guy has to get his assistants here before people can make sweeping generalizations on what kind of coach he will be.

There is no coach that would come in and turn around a team of 23 and youngers their first year and make them playoff threats.

The fact that people seem to have loved him as an assistant coach is a good thing, not a bad thing. Even if it turns into worst case Fizdale scenario, I'd rather there be positive things said about him than negative.

[pepe1991]

Jamahl Mosley can be great coach, but also can be terrible one.

No offense but this is what your post boils down to, which is correct.. so let's give him a shot. I don't think he will be terrible in terms of lack of preparedness or the know how to be a head coach (Vaughn), or someone whose heart wasn't fully in it (Skiles).. so we'll see. I think at the very least the guys will buy in because even if you hate every young player we have, they seem like good character guys that have been working out with each other. Guy has to get his assistants here before people can make sweeping generalizations on what kind of coach he will be.

There is no coach that would come in and turn around a team of 23 and youngers their first year and make them playoff threats.

The fact that people seem to have loved him as an assistant coach is a good thing, not a bad thing. Even if it turns into worst case Fizdale scenario, I'd rather there be positive things said about him than negative.

But let's be real.
He is added to team with almost no talent right now, with 2 of his best players comming off devastating injuries that will require rest and min menagment, on team without any veteran leadership where they will add 2 to 3 rookies on top of having 3 sophmores.
That's simply too much for rookie coach to handle.

When Luka and Trae were added to their rosters, their teams Dirk and Vince. Two hall of famers with basically zero in-game role.
Our "role model" player is who? Terrence Ross ? Guy is 30. He was joking around how awkard for him is fact he is oldest player. No wonder, add him to Bucks finals roster , and he younger than 3 of 5 starters,same age as 4th starter.

And i don't "hate on young players", they simply aren't good at basketball. That'show 22-50 record was achived. By them playing and them playing ment team sucking.

I'll give Jamahl a chance, like i did with Clifford ( despite initially not liking him at all ) . But boooy oh boy, it will take some epic ego menagment to not create JV vol 2 situation, where Harris, Vuc, Oladipo, Payton,Gordon , Evan were all more interested into "making name for themselfs" by pumping usage than team actually ever being- A team.

[Bensational]

that's quietly been my fear this whole process and such a let down if true.

A well liked players coach that will actually develop people and not be a retread coach like Clifford or Scottie Brooks or whoever is a breath of fresh air, I really don't even care about the politics behind it.

Yeah, how is it a problem? Magic are in a rebuild where properly developing players to gauge who’s worth keeping and who should be moved is essential. You don’t necessarily want that derailed by a coach who wants to run Khem Birch out just to squeeze out some more wins which ultimately won’t be worth anything.

It’s actually great news that he’s willing to play his role for the team at this stage. WeHam just gotta get him some good talent to develop.

[pepe1991]

Robbins interview was pretty brutal.

Esencially said they hired him because he is yes man.
Said previous rebuild failed because players only played for money.
Said team has no talent right now
Said that front office only main goal is to win lottery next year
Said Scottie Barnes is not point guard and is not shooter and Orlando needs offense
Said that Orlando Magic fans should be concerned if he is pick

Sheesh, i thought i'm harsh but Josh came here






Other guy mocking wingspan philsophy, no shooters, duplicating same skillset



This is most brutal and honest interview i heared in loooooooooong time.

[Bensational]

Robbins interview was pretty brutal.

Esencially said they hired him because he is yes man.
Said previous rebuild failed because players only played for money.
Said team has no talent right now
Said that front office only main goal is to win lottery next year
Said Scottie Barnes is not point guard and is not shooter and Orlando needs offense
Said that Orlando Magic fans should be concerned if he is pick

Sheesh, i thought i'm harsh but Josh came here

This is most brutal and honest interview i heared in loooooooooong time.

There wasn't anything too insightful behind it, and any brutality was superficial at best.

First off, he didn't seem to have done his homework on Mosley, he just said the headline which has been handed around - "player's coach and development coach". He struggled to think of a second attribute or description of him, and "he's a very good tactician with X's and O's on the defensive end". I wonder if Robbins even put in some calls to learn about Mosley?

If you want to be brutal, I'd be asking who Mosley has developed, as someone with a rep for developing players. In his time in Denver, there were no prominent risers from their youth. They went almost all veteran during his years there. Afflalo and Lawson were the only ones to emerge from the young group he groomed. One became an alcoholic and the other became the face of a tanking team.

Then he went to Cleveland, and the only notable names remaining from their tanking and developing years are Kyire and Tristan Thompson. Anthony Bennet, Dion Waiters, Dellavedova and Seth Curry are some of the other names brought in during his final year in Cleveland. One flamed out of the league as a #1 pick, Waiters became a journeyman, Delly became a role player on a contender and Curry also became a journeyman who's career didn't really take shape until he reunited with Mosley in Dallas.

In Dallas, DSJr fizzled, Luka came pre-developed, and Porzingis seemed to regress. Dwight Powell was probably his biggest overachiever. The fruits of Josh Green and Tyrell Terry have yet to fully blossom, though.

I would say that his reputation doesn't seem to hold up to his actual record of successfully developing players - if I were looking to be brutal. You could blame management for drafting poor players, but Mosley doesn't seem to have done much to actually elevate anyone's game.