The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

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[tiderulz]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

if only every player was fully developed at 18 and didnt have any weaknesses, it would make drafting so much easier.

[tiderulz]

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[OrlChamps2030]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

if only every player was fully developed at 18 and didnt have any weaknesses, it would make drafting so much easier.

As someone who has Jabari Smith at #1 at the moment, I found Pepe’s post insightful. In a draft where there doesn’t seem to be a consensus #1 (this forum seems divided among Smith, Chet, and even Ivey), I’m welcome to any and all discussion. We’re talking about the potential top pick in the best league in the world. I think it’s ok to look at these prospects under a microscope.

Smith does look like a special shooter with nice length and good mobility for a 4 on the defensive end. It definitely seems fair to question the “other” parts of his game though

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Right.
The Magic need shooting the most.

[Xatticus]

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His catch-and-shoot looks fine. It will take some work. I think the concern is that he isn’t very adept at scoring on the move, but the facilitation looks good. He lacks the burst to get all the way to the rim, so it will probably be floaters. He can do a bit of everything. I like him. He is similar to Killian Hayes, but with more size and nobody is building him up as a lead ball handler, so he isn’t overhyped in the way that Hayes was. That’s an intriguing prospect considering his projected draft range.

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[Petre1978]

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Would be a nice option for the second round

[tiderulz]

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if i didnt have some worry about his body type, he would be #1 for me. He blocks shots (3.7/game), shoots high 3 pt % on a decent volume (43% 3.3 shots per game), rebounds and decent assists. yes, competition is lower in their league, but he is still performing at a high level. Im hoping the college program has helped add some weight, for his sake

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if i didnt have some worry about his body type, he would be #1 for me. He blocks shots (3.7/game), shoots high 3 pt % on a decent volume (43% 3.3 shots per game), rebounds and decent assists. yes, competition is lower in their league, but he is still performing at a high level. Im hoping the college program has helped add some weight, for his sake

This is all about how he is going to be utilized at the next level. Any team can select Holmgren and make him a rich mans Tyler Zeller. He's not shocking anyone by putting up numbers, not even the best on his team, against the likes of San Fransisco.

Chet has to be playing outside-in on offense for at least the next few seasons. He'll likely will play most of his minutes next to a true Center for the foreseeable future. His frame for a big is worrying because there aren't many examples of players with that profile that don't eventually get riddled by injuries (KP, Isaac, etc.). He's still a mismatch on the floor, so theres that.

[PrimeThyme]

I have absolutely zero concern about Chet. My hesitancy surrounding him has more to do with how high I am on Jabari but If he's off the board the pick is Chet without question. I'd probably still take him number one overall regardless.

[basketballRob]

Chet's appearance is the only reason he's not the consensus number one pick. It reminds me of listening to the Raptors pregame show against the Magic. They said what hurts Franz is he's a Euro, so he's slow and doesn't have good lateral quickness like all European players. It took me a long time on the GB to convince people that Franz wasn't similar to Tyler Hansbrough.

Next season it'll probably take a while to convince people that Chet isn't the same kind of player Poku is.

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[Skin]

What position does Chet play for the Magic?

[basketballRob]

What position does Chet play for the Magic?

He would probably play PF and Wendell center.

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His catch-and-shoot looks fine. It will take some work. I think the concern is that he isn’t very adept at scoring on the move, but the facilitation looks good. He lacks the burst to get all the way to the rim, so it will probably be floaters. He can do a bit of everything. I like him. He is similar to Killian Hayes, but with more size and nobody is building him up as a lead ball handler, so he isn’t overhyped in the way that Hayes was. That’s an intriguing prospect considering his projected draft range.

He gives me shorter Kyle Anderson vibes. His movements on ball are quite slow yet he seems to still get where he wants to get most times. But his shooting touch looks woeful. Very AG/RJ as far as lacking a softness and accuracy around the rim.

[Magicfanatic82]

Thunder doing thunder things. 3 rotation players shut down rest of season today. Well played.

[basketballRob]

Thunder doing thunder things. 3 rotation players shut down rest of season today. Well played.

We play them twice.

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GAME TO WATCH 3/8/2022

Saint Mary's v. Gonzaga, 9pm ET on ESPN
-Chet Holmgren, No. 1 on Tankathon

[fendilim]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

I’d still take Jabari.

The problem with Chet is the possibility of him being another Bamba or Kristaps, which pretty much makes his height not an advantage. Opponents tend to put smaller guys on Bamba or Kristaps because they arent really dominant against stronger smaller players.

Jabari’s offensive game is more advanced than Chet. He can post up and has an array of offensive moves. And with NBA’s offense being more wide open, I think Jabari will have an easier time finding teammates. And also, Jabari has a good feel of the game. His shot selection and passing will be better through time.

Yes, Jabari’s defense has flaws, so does Chet’s offense. For a team lacking a Go-to guy, we better take Jabari, especially when you have guys like Isaac, WCJ and even Okeke to help him on defense. ( yes, I do think a Isaac, Wcj and Jabari lineup would work. Similar to the cavs)

[tiderulz]

I'm not sold on notion that Jabari Smith is good defender. Guy plays with best college shotblocker in college, by far. How amazing Kessler as shotblocker is? Well at average he blocks 1 shot every 5:30 minutes.
How good he actually is? Well he is on pace to be best shot blocker in college in last +15 years. Only close comparison on defense & shotblocking is Anthony Davis, but Kessler is actually better at it, by numbers.

Jabari really doesn't have to do much on defense, nor he actually does much. He is average athlete with average vertical leap and average mobility. He stays with his man and guides them toward center of a rim where Kessler does his job ( Gobert effect, where every single average defender looks better with him because players simply tend to be scared of his presence and throw bricks in air to avoid him , even when he isn't near them ).

Other than suspicies looking defense at next level, Jabari also has suspicious looking offensive set.
What else he does well than spot up shooting ? And answer to is is obvious one but one that nobody wants to heard for player projected to go top 3 in lottery. It's nothing.
He can't drive left, he can't drive in general with ball, his passing is poor, his 2% FG is godawful for "big" ( 45%) and his shot selection is him taking bunch of mid range shots.

And take in considirations all his 3s are nba long 2s, and his mid range shots are worst shots in nba. And when he is not shooting on offense, he really doesn't do anything else ( poor offensive rebounds, poor passing, not much of screener, poor pick&roll rolling big).
Hell, that sounds like somebody described bit more skilled Bamba ( on offense) more than anything else. Camping at 3 point line and being no inside presence.

If there is team in basketball that has 1# pick and passes on Chet in favor of Jabari, i'm betting everything that GM won't hold his job for long period of time

I’d still take Jabari.

The problem with Chet is the possibility of him being another Bamba or Kristaps, which pretty much makes his height not an advantage. Opponents tend to put smaller guys on Bamba or Kristaps because they arent really dominant against stronger smaller players.

Jabari’s offensive game is more advanced than Chet. He can post up and has an array of offensive moves. And with NBA’s offense being more wide open, I think Jabari will have an easier time finding teammates. And also, Jabari has a good feel of the game. His shot selection and passing will be better through time.

Yes, Jabari’s defense has flaws, so does Chet’s offense. For a team lacking a Go-to guy, we better take Jabari, especially when you have guys like Isaac, WCJ and even Okeke to help him on defense. ( yes, I do think a Isaac, Wcj and Jabari lineup would work. Similar to the cavs)

so you're pushing Franz to the bench?