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KillMonger wrote:sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Still a 6'2 guard... And I'm a superfan of Meer, but other than that. We and the league doesn't have a great track record with undersized guards.
apparently he's 6'3 now, grew an inch.....so height wise he's on par more or less with the glut of combo guards around our range
Bensational wrote:KillMonger wrote:sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Still a 6'2 guard... And I'm a superfan of Meer, but other than that. We and the league doesn't have a great track record with undersized guards.
apparently he's 6'3 now, grew an inch.....so height wise he's on par more or less with the glut of combo guards around our range
To be pedantic - article says 6'2 barefoot. But yeah, 6'3 on the court.
dsg2021 wrote:Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15. <br style="-webkit-user-select: auto;">https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock
Never been more sure of these players I like:
My highest:
A. Nesmith - If ORL FO wants to embrace consecutive B or B+ moves for an eventual snowball effect greater than its parts, like they seem to do, this is it. Even individually, Nesmith has great length. He's a sharpshooter who actually should be upgraded into being called a sniper. And he's not just a typical sniper, he's the right kind of sniper who fits the NBA style, with all the right tricks the best NBA snipers have. There's upside here in many other areas too. Finally, if ORL FO is as high on Okeke as they seem, then Nesmith and Okeke will be much more impactful than outsiders would think. It also sets the table for Fultz to take a next step. Idk, maybe I'm too addicted to shooting. But Jay Bilas is high on him, thinks Nesmith is easily gone before #12.
T. Haliburton - Easy NBA-level starter, ticks so many boxes with his IQ, height, and passing, plus the decent offense he has already. The package is all there to mold this PG into some kind of perfect piece teams love, whether its starter-level, semi-All Star, or perennial All Star.
A. Edwards - Dude has so many question marks imho, a lot of people saying he needs to pass better, he needs to attack more, he needs to D up more, he hasn't been on winning teams, he catches-and-holds, then has bad shot selection. I don't value his transition strength that much either, because I don't value transition too much in the first place. But I love him for two reasons, he's got the fire, the handle, and the "shake" to be an elite shot-maker on the levels with legitimate comparisons to stars like James Harden and Donovan Mitchell. And he's got the length and athleticism to back it up, like let's drive in and make contact harder than the defender gives. And he's still younger than most in the draft, too. Secondly, if ORL gets a very, very fair offer for a top 3 pick, like GSW's, it'd be too hard to pass up. A certain Coach named Cliff helped unlocked Kemba into a perennial All Star.. The Oladipo comparisons made some sense, which kind of turned us off, because we all knew the long process with him, but I actually found it to be one of the less accurate comps for him. He's way more like Harden and Mitchell, and way more along Oladipo at his age. We will be quite happy with Edwards if he doesn't bomb his shooting percentages for more than 1 season or so (I like his form and release, his hops to get it off, his confidence, so I'm weirdly not so worried about it), and if some team/coach is able to unlock Edwards into a more well-rounded, smarter player, which is what he's missing to be an All Star. Jay Bilas ranks him #1.
Also high on:
K. Hayes - Betting on a star here. But he already has good passing and some good offense, so you even have a floor.
T. Terry - Not just a sniper, but also a little bit of star betting here again, because he has the "it" factor. But his length is not good, and he's still not quite as NBA-capable a sniper as Nesmith. It's more everything else he can do for you besides sniping.
D. Vassell - Best 3-D player, emphasis on the length and defense! Great size for 2/3, and still young and improving. Jay Bilas is high on him.
J. Green - A 3-D player with the Mickael Pietrus comparison that I loved. It means he's more disruptive on defense than other 3-D players. It means he can do some attacking that other 3-D players can't. Still young.
D. Bane - Great 3-D player, don't care that he's older.
J. McDaniels - A later round wing I liked a lot, because of incredible length, with good handle and shooting. Some star potential hiding here.
R.J. Hampton - A jumpshot away from star potential.
S. Bey - Very solid 3-D player.
O. Okongwu - Antonio McDyess comparison was all I needed.
J. Smith - Modern NBA 4.
T. Maledon - Draft and stash PG with a lot of boxes ticked.
L. Bolmaro - I've cooled down on him, surprisingly. On the dribble shooting is okay, but still kind of missing a jumpshot to really be worth his countryman's Ginobili comps. Not sure I even see the craftiness of Ginobili's level. Happy to fall in love with him if our real scouts and FO take him, though. As an aside, someone has to help me here. For the life of me, I could have sworn some of us really liked one of his teammates, or some other Spanish/Argentinian player in Europe, but I cannot find out who it was. I think his age was like 24, but I remember a few of us being more blown away by his versatility and scoring than Bolmaro. I'm sure there's going to be like 5-10 players being missed out on big time, because they weren't "media consensus top 30".
Knightro wrote:Or Aaron Gordon + 45 for 6?
yoyojw17 wrote:dsg2021 wrote:Def Swami wrote:KOC of The Ringer just updated his mock draft and still has us taking Tyrell Terry at #15. <br style="-webkit-user-select: auto;">https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock
Never been more sure of these players I like:
My highest:
A. Nesmith - If ORL FO wants to embrace consecutive B or B+ moves for an eventual snowball effect greater than its parts, like they seem to do, this is it. Even individually, Nesmith has great length. He's a sharpshooter who actually should be upgraded into being called a sniper. And he's not just a typical sniper, he's the right kind of sniper who fits the NBA style, with all the right tricks the best NBA snipers have. There's upside here in many other areas too. Finally, if ORL FO is as high on Okeke as they seem, then Nesmith and Okeke will be much more impactful than outsiders would think. It also sets the table for Fultz to take a next step. Idk, maybe I'm too addicted to shooting. But Jay Bilas is high on him, thinks Nesmith is easily gone before #12.
T. Haliburton - Easy NBA-level starter, ticks so many boxes with his IQ, height, and passing, plus the decent offense he has already. The package is all there to mold this PG into some kind of perfect piece teams love, whether its starter-level, semi-All Star, or perennial All Star.
A. Edwards - Dude has so many question marks imho, a lot of people saying he needs to pass better, he needs to attack more, he needs to D up more, he hasn't been on winning teams, he catches-and-holds, then has bad shot selection. I don't value his transition strength that much either, because I don't value transition too much in the first place. But I love him for two reasons, he's got the fire, the handle, and the "shake" to be an elite shot-maker on the levels with legitimate comparisons to stars like James Harden and Donovan Mitchell. And he's got the length and athleticism to back it up, like let's drive in and make contact harder than the defender gives. And he's still younger than most in the draft, too. Secondly, if ORL gets a very, very fair offer for a top 3 pick, like GSW's, it'd be too hard to pass up. A certain Coach named Cliff helped unlocked Kemba into a perennial All Star.. The Oladipo comparisons made some sense, which kind of turned us off, because we all knew the long process with him, but I actually found it to be one of the less accurate comps for him. He's way more like Harden and Mitchell, and way more along Oladipo at his age. We will be quite happy with Edwards if he doesn't bomb his shooting percentages for more than 1 season or so (I like his form and release, his hops to get it off, his confidence, so I'm weirdly not so worried about it), and if some team/coach is able to unlock Edwards into a more well-rounded, smarter player, which is what he's missing to be an All Star. Jay Bilas ranks him #1.
Also high on:
K. Hayes - Betting on a star here. But he already has good passing and some good offense, so you even have a floor.
T. Terry - Not just a sniper, but also a little bit of star betting here again, because he has the "it" factor. But his length is not good, and he's still not quite as NBA-capable a sniper as Nesmith. It's more everything else he can do for you besides sniping.
D. Vassell - Best 3-D player, emphasis on the length and defense! Great size for 2/3, and still young and improving. Jay Bilas is high on him.
J. Green - A 3-D player with the Mickael Pietrus comparison that I loved. It means he's more disruptive on defense than other 3-D players. It means he can do some attacking that other 3-D players can't. Still young.
D. Bane - Great 3-D player, don't care that he's older.
J. McDaniels - A later round wing I liked a lot, because of incredible length, with good handle and shooting. Some star potential hiding here.
R.J. Hampton - A jumpshot away from star potential.
S. Bey - Very solid 3-D player.
O. Okongwu - Antonio McDyess comparison was all I needed.
J. Smith - Modern NBA 4.
T. Maledon - Draft and stash PG with a lot of boxes ticked.
L. Bolmaro - I've cooled down on him, surprisingly. On the dribble shooting is okay, but still kind of missing a jumpshot to really be worth his countryman's Ginobili comps. Not sure I even see the craftiness of Ginobili's level. Happy to fall in love with him if our real scouts and FO take him, though. As an aside, someone has to help me here. For the life of me, I could have sworn some of us really liked one of his teammates, or some other Spanish/Argentinian player in Europe, but I cannot find out who it was. I think his age was like 24, but I remember a few of us being more blown away by his versatility and scoring than Bolmaro. I'm sure there's going to be like 5-10 players being missed out on big time, because they weren't "media consensus top 30".
Like your list man! I'll Add deni to my highest list as well.
at our level.... if Nesmith falls to us... i would be excited! He brings the one thing that we all know we need at a position of need. He has the size and length we all love. The leap that he took from freshman to sophomore year in MY opinion is a testament to his work ethic. 53% from 3pnt line.... is a tremendous feat.... annnnnnnd in my opinion... a 14 game stretch is pretty solid. People knock his ability to make plays for others.... but his highlights in my opinion shows that he has vision... but the best scoring option is usually his 3pnt shot ... we're talking 53%... the ball will usually end in his hands and he should have the green light. He's athletic enough to play in transition as well. and in many cases when you're depended on to shoulder the offensive load.... it will take away from the defensive end. but 1+ steals and blocks is pretty darn good and he posted 127.8 ORtg and 106.8 DRtg in his last season which on it's own is impressive as well. He will space the crap out of our floor.
But yeah... the list of decent to great players is pretty deep IMO. We'll see!!
dsg2021 wrote:yoyojw17 wrote:dsg2021 wrote:
Never been more sure of these players I like:
My highest:
A. Nesmith - If ORL FO wants to embrace consecutive B or B+ moves for an eventual snowball effect greater than its parts, like they seem to do, this is it. Even individually, Nesmith has great length. He's a sharpshooter who actually should be upgraded into being called a sniper. And he's not just a typical sniper, he's the right kind of sniper who fits the NBA style, with all the right tricks the best NBA snipers have. There's upside here in many other areas too. Finally, if ORL FO is as high on Okeke as they seem, then Nesmith and Okeke will be much more impactful than outsiders would think. It also sets the table for Fultz to take a next step. Idk, maybe I'm too addicted to shooting. But Jay Bilas is high on him, thinks Nesmith is easily gone before #12.
T. Haliburton - Easy NBA-level starter, ticks so many boxes with his IQ, height, and passing, plus the decent offense he has already. The package is all there to mold this PG into some kind of perfect piece teams love, whether its starter-level, semi-All Star, or perennial All Star.
A. Edwards - Dude has so many question marks imho, a lot of people saying he needs to pass better, he needs to attack more, he needs to D up more, he hasn't been on winning teams, he catches-and-holds, then has bad shot selection. I don't value his transition strength that much either, because I don't value transition too much in the first place. But I love him for two reasons, he's got the fire, the handle, and the "shake" to be an elite shot-maker on the levels with legitimate comparisons to stars like James Harden and Donovan Mitchell. And he's got the length and athleticism to back it up, like let's drive in and make contact harder than the defender gives. And he's still younger than most in the draft, too. Secondly, if ORL gets a very, very fair offer for a top 3 pick, like GSW's, it'd be too hard to pass up. A certain Coach named Cliff helped unlocked Kemba into a perennial All Star.. The Oladipo comparisons made some sense, which kind of turned us off, because we all knew the long process with him, but I actually found it to be one of the less accurate comps for him. He's way more like Harden and Mitchell, and way more along Oladipo at his age. We will be quite happy with Edwards if he doesn't bomb his shooting percentages for more than 1 season or so (I like his form and release, his hops to get it off, his confidence, so I'm weirdly not so worried about it), and if some team/coach is able to unlock Edwards into a more well-rounded, smarter player, which is what he's missing to be an All Star. Jay Bilas ranks him #1.
Also high on:
K. Hayes - Betting on a star here. But he already has good passing and some good offense, so you even have a floor.
T. Terry - Not just a sniper, but also a little bit of star betting here again, because he has the "it" factor. But his length is not good, and he's still not quite as NBA-capable a sniper as Nesmith. It's more everything else he can do for you besides sniping.
D. Vassell - Best 3-D player, emphasis on the length and defense! Great size for 2/3, and still young and improving. Jay Bilas is high on him.
J. Green - A 3-D player with the Mickael Pietrus comparison that I loved. It means he's more disruptive on defense than other 3-D players. It means he can do some attacking that other 3-D players can't. Still young.
D. Bane - Great 3-D player, don't care that he's older.
J. McDaniels - A later round wing I liked a lot, because of incredible length, with good handle and shooting. Some star potential hiding here.
R.J. Hampton - A jumpshot away from star potential.
S. Bey - Very solid 3-D player.
O. Okongwu - Antonio McDyess comparison was all I needed.
J. Smith - Modern NBA 4.
T. Maledon - Draft and stash PG with a lot of boxes ticked.
L. Bolmaro - I've cooled down on him, surprisingly. On the dribble shooting is okay, but still kind of missing a jumpshot to really be worth his countryman's Ginobili comps. Not sure I even see the craftiness of Ginobili's level. Happy to fall in love with him if our real scouts and FO take him, though. As an aside, someone has to help me here. For the life of me, I could have sworn some of us really liked one of his teammates, or some other Spanish/Argentinian player in Europe, but I cannot find out who it was. I think his age was like 24, but I remember a few of us being more blown away by his versatility and scoring than Bolmaro. I'm sure there's going to be like 5-10 players being missed out on big time, because they weren't "media consensus top 30".
Like your list man! I'll Add deni to my highest list as well.
at our level.... if Nesmith falls to us... i would be excited! He brings the one thing that we all know we need at a position of need. He has the size and length we all love. The leap that he took from freshman to sophomore year in MY opinion is a testament to his work ethic. 53% from 3pnt line.... is a tremendous feat.... annnnnnnd in my opinion... a 14 game stretch is pretty solid. People knock his ability to make plays for others.... but his highlights in my opinion shows that he has vision... but the best scoring option is usually his 3pnt shot ... we're talking 53%... the ball will usually end in his hands and he should have the green light. He's athletic enough to play in transition as well. and in many cases when you're depended on to shoulder the offensive load.... it will take away from the defensive end. but 1+ steals and blocks is pretty darn good and he posted 127.8 ORtg and 106.8 DRtg in his last season which on it's own is impressive as well. He will space the crap out of our floor.
But yeah... the list of decent to great players is pretty deep IMO. We'll see!!
Well said. What makes you like Deni as well? I do like him too.
drsd wrote:Knightro wrote:Or Aaron Gordon + 45 for 6?
Orlando will not rise three rookies. But if the Magic trade up to 6, then #15 could be part of another package, perhaps for a solid backup combo forward.
Knightro wrote:drsd wrote:Knightro wrote:Or Aaron Gordon + 45 for 6?
Orlando will not rise three rookies. But if the Magic trade up to 6, then #15 could be part of another package, perhaps for a solid backup combo forward.
I know you like to say this a lot, but there's just no evidence that it's true. Weltman and Hammond have been in charge for three years and literally two of the three years they've been in charge they've opened the season with three rookies on the roster.
Year 1 the Magic had three rookies on guaranteed deals - Isaac, Iwundu and Birch.
Year 2 the Magic had three rookies on guaranteed deals - Bamba, Frazier and Briscoe.
To this day, I'm still not sure why you keep suggesting they won't carry three rookies when they've already done it twice.
Plus Weltman has already publicly come out and directly said he doesn't consider Okeke a true rookie next year since he already spent a full season in the G-League.
KillMonger wrote:Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?
1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels
Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)
1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton
If we move up
1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell
KillMonger wrote:Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?
1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels
Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)
1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton
If we move up
1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell
MagicMatic wrote:KillMonger wrote:Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?
1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels
Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)
1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton
If we move up
1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell
At #15-
1. Tyrell Terry
2. Kira Lewis Jr.
3. Tyrese Maxey
Non upset picks -
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. RJ Hampton
3. Josh Green
Move up picks-
1. Killian Hayes
2. Deni Avdija
3. Tyrese Haliburton
Second round-
1. Grant Riller
2. Paul Reed
3. Jordan Nwora
KillMonger wrote:Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?
1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels
Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)
1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton
If we move up
1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell
