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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1921 » by RookieStar » Sun May 21, 2023 3:09 am

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thelead wrote:6 for AJ Griffen? Are you a Hawks fan?


AJ Griffin AND Lively…I’m a high volume 3pt shooting, physical defending, rim protecting, addressing our glaring weaknesses fan.

Everyone at 6 is a bit of a crapshoot, imo.

I guess I look like a Duke fan too…Paolo & Griffin had great chemistry last season, gravity down low and kicking out for open makes.


Yeah... if you are talking about Lively being your *physical* defender, you might want to wait for a year or 3. Or you didn't watch the NCAAT were they got abused by undersized but matured muscled bigs of TEN?
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1922 » by Skybox » Sun May 21, 2023 9:40 am

thelead wrote:
Skybox wrote:
thelead wrote:6 for AJ Griffen? Are you a Hawks fan?


AJ Griffin AND Lively…I’m a high volume 3pt shooting, physical defending, rim protecting, addressing our glaring weaknesses fan.

Everyone at 6 is a bit of a crapshoot, imo.

I guess I look like a Duke fan too…Paolo & Griffin had great chemistry last season, gravity down low and kicking out for open makes.

I like AJ but there is no way that a kid that didn’t even play in the playoffs is worth the 6th pick even if you’re throwing the 15th pick in too.


That is a mystery to me too…when he did play, he was really good. But you’re right to be concerned. Similar to Moody, although he only had big games in G league. I believe in Griffin and #15, in this draft, is as likely to be as good or better than 10…I hate to say it, but it kind of “flattens out”. Guys like Lively, Whitehead, GG Jackson, Howard, Sensibaugh, Podzmieski, etc all could be as good as much higher picks, imo.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1923 » by cedric76 » Sun May 21, 2023 10:46 am

Portland fans are happy with Simmons for 11 + Gary Harris (Cap Space)

I m not a big fan of Simmons but I d do that trade and draft Hendricks
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1924 » by basketballRob » Sun May 21, 2023 11:08 am

Trade Fultz and Cole for Mike Conley. Then draft Black. Sign Bruce Brown in free agency.

The Magic would have a potential top 5 defensive team.

Trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and draft Black.

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Post#1925 » by GGforever » Sun May 21, 2023 11:46 am

basketballRob wrote:Trade Fultz and Cole for Mike Conley. Then draft Black. Sign Bruce Brown in free agency.

The Magic would have a potential top 5 defensive team.

Trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and draft Black.

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1926 » by basketballRob » Sun May 21, 2023 2:13 pm

There could be a moratorium before we trade Harris and Fultz. I'm not sure wthe rule on that is.

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1927 » by basketballRob » Sun May 21, 2023 2:17 pm

GGforever wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Trade Fultz and Cole for Mike Conley. Then draft Black. Sign Bruce Brown in free agency.

The Magic would have a potential top 5 defensive team.

Trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and draft Black.

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I mean, if you're okay with our guard rotation as is. If not, we have to move guards out to bring more in.

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1928 » by Skybox » Sun May 21, 2023 2:22 pm

HERE YOU GO, I expect your full support & enthusiasm… :D

My assumptions are…GSW regrets the Poole contract but that certainly doesn’t make him a bad player. GSW isn’t a real contender as currently constructed. If Myers leave, they’ll be facing tough decisions about their core- but they’re immensely loyal to their Big 3. The cap situation is a big issue there…and their youth movement hasn’t panned out. Time for some fiscally sound restructuring without a tear down. Some calculated risks that could actually make them better AND more flexible immediately.

ORL sends…Isaac ($17m, $7m guaranteed-defensive monster if healthy), Fultz ($17m, $2m guaranteed, strong on-ball, needs shooters), Cole Anthony (rookie deal, significantly improved BBIQ, great skillset), #11 pick, DEN 25 frp

GSW sends…Poole (big contract coming, ORL hands him the keys and prays that a change of scenery & role pays), Andrew Wiggins (GSW finishing school has polished game and he’s ready to win on both ends), #19 (largely to balance risk of Poole deal)

For ORL…Go Big! Once extensions kick in for Paolo & Franz, their roster will be locked, for better or worse. This is a very big bet on Poole’s ability to play the star role, while still deferring some spotlight to the highest-upside young player, Paolo, while still scoring 22+ ppg. He’s very young and very skilled, can he play the modern “Lead Guard” like Murray does in DEN? Can he be more efficient AND become a great facilitator? Can Wiggins, now the elder vet, continue to play smart and unselfishly on both ends without strong HOFers to keep him in his lane? Both could become All-Stars if they play winning Bball. Franz is good enough to become a 20ppg All-Star, but his game is built to be complementary, with ability to dominate when needed. Suddenly TONS of talent, but success will rest largely on Poole’s ability to grow as a floor general…scary situation with huge upside. The GSW egos must be checked at ORL airport as Paolo remains the big dog here- bad chemistry could be disastrous. Good chemistry jumps them to contending in a short time. #19 gets them solid frontcourt upside/depth, Lively or GG Jackson?

For GSW…huge cap relief, options with Fultz and Isaac deals. If Isaac is healthy, Wiggins’ defense is forgotten. Along with Draymond, they strangle opposing teams, from perimeter to rim. Klay’s ability to gamble defensively increases and his defensive exposure is
lessened. Cole pretty much replaces Poole, at a fraction of the cost and is understudy to Curry. Poole’s upside MIGHT be higher than Cole’s but Cole is more than up to the GSW role Poole outgrew/was overpaid for. Fultz is a big question- giving Curry more off-ball might help Curry out. Fultz isn’t a floor spreader, but he’s very efficient and a big, strong force with the ball. He can get where he wants and would thrive penetrating & kicking to Curry, Klay, and #11(Dick? Hawkins?)…either way, all 3 present good financial & basketball angles…two frps acknowledge Isaac’s health risk…if he’s good to go, he’s likely the best player in the deal and GSW is actually immediately improved as well as out from under the cap space tax hammer, to a greater degree at least.

Poole(All-Star, 24/9, HOU Harden), Suggs
Wiggins, Harris
Franz, Housman, Okeke
Paolo (All-Star, 21/9/6), Hendricks (#6), M. Wagner
WCJ, Lively (#19?), Goga

#19 could be Leonard Miller, Jett Howard, Whitehead, GG Jackson, Podzmieski…whoever impresses or drops to us
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1929 » by flying_mollusk » Sun May 21, 2023 2:23 pm

CarraT wrote:
Knightro wrote:


This is the way (depending on what that other asset is).


Shouldn’t be much in my opinion. 6+11 is good value. But I’d be willing to package anything beside Franz/Paolo/WCJ (and maybe Suggs) for Scoot


The writer mentioned that this trade would allow Portland to flip the 6th pick for a wing and then hedge their bets with a young player at 11. The problem is Houston and Detroit would be competing for that wing player with their picks.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1930 » by flying_mollusk » Sun May 21, 2023 2:39 pm

Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Skybox wrote:Good news, I’ve solved all of our problems (again):

Simple…

Draft Hendricks at #6, Lively at #11
Waive Harris, Bol, Goga to clear cap space
Sign FVV
Trade Fultz & ORL 24 frp (top 3), DEN 25 frp to SAS FOR Vassell & McBuckets (they need a PG and I’m told Fultz is good)

FVV/Cole
Vassell/Suggs/Houstan
Franz/Hendricks/McDermott
Paolo/Isaac/ M. Wagner
WCJ/Lively

Much improved defense (insane if Isaac healthy), shooting from deep, PnR play…lots of positional versatility & looks


Hendricks isn’t a 3. He is pretty much a 4 only.


All of the forwards are pretty versatile. I know Hendricks is a help rim- protector but he looks about 150 lbs. As big as Isaac is, his biggest defensive impact is on the perimeter, so PF/SF in name only (really for all of them). I don’t disagree with you though, especially long term, the team above is almost TOO deep, things will shake out as the rooks get their feet under them.


Hendricks is capable of guarding 1-5 and that could be very effective in defending the pick and roll. He also shoots off ball 3s really well so wouldn’t clog up the court for Paolo and Franz. Those two are our playmakers so we don’t really need that from him.

One thing to keep in mind. With the new CBA, depth might be the most important thing. Having Hendricks could allow us to try different attacks/defenses against teams to take advantage of mismatches
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1931 » by 89Magicfan » Sun May 21, 2023 2:40 pm

Skybox wrote:HERE YOU GO, I expect your full support & enthusiasm… :D

My assumptions are…GSW regrets the Poole contract but that certainly doesn’t make him a bad player. GSW isn’t a real contender as currently constructed. If Myers leave, they’ll be facing tough decisions about their core- but they’re immensely loyal to their Big 3. The cap situation is a big issue there…and their youth movement hasn’t panned out. Time for some fiscally sound restructuring without a tear down. Some calculated risks that could actually make them better AND more flexible immediately.

ORL sends…Isaac ($17m, $7m guaranteed-defensive monster if healthy), Fultz ($17m, $2m guaranteed, strong on-ball, needs shooters), Cole Anthony (rookie deal, significantly improved BBIQ, great skillset), #11 pick, DEN 25 frp

GSW sends…Poole (big contract coming, ORL hands him the keys and prays that a change of scenery & role pays), Andrew Wiggins (GSW finishing school has polished game and he’s ready to win on both ends), #19 (largely to balance risk of Poole deal)

For ORL…Go Big! Once extensions kick in for Paolo & Franz, their roster will be locked, for better or worse. This is a very big bet on Poole’s ability to play the star role, while still deferring some spotlight to the highest-upside young player, Paolo, while still scoring 22+ ppg. He’s very young and very skilled, can he play the modern “Lead Guard” like Murray does in DEN? Can he be more efficient AND become a great facilitator? Can Wiggins, now the elder vet, continue to play smart and unselfishly on both ends without strong HOFers to keep him in his lane? Both could become All-Stars if they play winning Bball. Franz is good enough to become a 20ppg All-Star, but his game is built to be complementary, with ability to dominate when needed. Suddenly TONS of talent, but success will rest largely on Poole’s ability to grow as a floor general…scary situation with huge upside. The GSW egos must be checked at ORL airport as Paolo remains the big dog here- bad chemistry could be disastrous. Good chemistry jumps them to contending in a short time. #19 gets them solid frontcourt upside/depth, Lively or GG Jackson?

For GSW…huge cap relief, options with Fultz and Isaac deals. If Isaac is healthy, Wiggins’ defense is forgotten. Along with Draymond, they strangle opposing teams, from perimeter to rim. Klay’s ability to gamble defensively increases and his defensive exposure is
lessened. Cole pretty much replaces Poole, at a fraction of the cost and is understudy to Curry. Poole’s upside MIGHT be higher than Cole’s but Cole is more than up to the GSW role Poole outgrew/was overpaid for. Fultz is a big question- giving Curry more off-ball might help Curry out. Fultz isn’t a floor spreader, but he’s very efficient and a big, strong force with the ball. He can get where he wants and would thrive penetrating & kicking to Curry, Klay, and #11(Dick? Hawkins?)…either way, all 3 present good financial & basketball angles…two frps acknowledge Isaac’s health risk…if he’s good to go, he’s likely the best player in the deal and GSW is actually immediately improved as well as out from under the cap space tax hammer, to a greater degree at least.

Poole(All-Star, 24/9, HOU Harden), Suggs
Wiggins, Harris
Franz, Housman, Okeke
Paolo (All-Star, 21/9/6), Hendricks (#6), M. Wagner
WCJ, Lively (#19?), Goga

#19 could be Leonard Miller, Jett Howard, Whitehead, GG Jackson, Podzmieski…whoever impresses or drops to us



I mean I think I rather have Poole if he can do what he did previous years more than the Thompson twins.

Might be asking for much but wonder if we include Kuminga.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1932 » by GGforever » Sun May 21, 2023 3:05 pm

basketballRob wrote:
GGforever wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Trade Fultz and Cole for Mike Conley. Then draft Black. Sign Bruce Brown in free agency.

The Magic would have a potential top 5 defensive team.

Trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and draft Black.

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I mean, if you're okay with our guard rotation as is. If not, we have to move guards out to bring more in.

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I agree that we need a SG.. preferably one that can shoot 37%+ from 3 on high volume. My personal hope for that is Jordan Hawkins at 11. If not that route then maybe Gary Trent in free agency.
Not ready to give up on Fultz yet, as well as Cole who looks to be a nice in that bench role.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1933 » by basketballRob » Sun May 21, 2023 3:08 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:
Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Hendricks isn’t a 3. He is pretty much a 4 only.


All of the forwards are pretty versatile. I know Hendricks is a help rim- protector but he looks about 150 lbs. As big as Isaac is, his biggest defensive impact is on the perimeter, so PF/SF in name only (really for all of them). I don’t disagree with you though, especially long term, the team above is almost TOO deep, things will shake out as the rooks get their feet under them.


Hendricks is capable of guarding 1-5 and that could be very effective in defending the pick and roll. He also shoots off ball 3s really well so wouldn’t clog up the court for Paolo and Franz. Those two are our playmakers so we don’t really need that from him.

One thing to keep in mind. With the new CBA, depth might be the most important thing. Having Hendricks could allow us to try different attacks/defenses against teams to take advantage of mismatches
I'll have to go back and watch his tape on defense. My first impression was that he was a big and wouldn't be able to guard SFs.

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1934 » by flying_mollusk » Sun May 21, 2023 3:32 pm

basketballRob wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:
Skybox wrote:
All of the forwards are pretty versatile. I know Hendricks is a help rim- protector but he looks about 150 lbs. As big as Isaac is, his biggest defensive impact is on the perimeter, so PF/SF in name only (really for all of them). I don’t disagree with you though, especially long term, the team above is almost TOO deep, things will shake out as the rooks get their feet under them.


Hendricks is capable of guarding 1-5 and that could be very effective in defending the pick and roll. He also shoots off ball 3s really well so wouldn’t clog up the court for Paolo and Franz. Those two are our playmakers so we don’t really need that from him.

One thing to keep in mind. With the new CBA, depth might be the most important thing. Having Hendricks could allow us to try different attacks/defenses against teams to take advantage of mismatches
I'll have to go back and watch his tape on defense. My first impression was that he was a big and wouldn't be able to guard SFs.

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This video has a good breakdown on his strengths and weaknesses.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1935 » by basketballRob » Sun May 21, 2023 8:07 pm

The whole reason I'd want to trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and Cole for Conley is that both of those players are good veterans with expiring contracts. We would have around $90m in cap space in 2024.

The guard rotation would be Conley, Gordon, Suggs, Black, and George. Black and George would have the opportunity to win the starting position.

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Post#1936 » by Hogified05 » Mon May 22, 2023 4:38 am

basketballRob wrote:The whole reason I'd want to trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and Cole for Conley is that both of those players are good veterans with expiring contracts. We would have around $90m in cap space in 2024.

The guard rotation would be Conley, Gordon, Suggs, Black, and George. Black and George would have the opportunity to win the starting position.

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1937 » by basketballRob » Mon May 22, 2023 11:17 am

I really like Cam Johnson.

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Post#1938 » by Skybox » Mon May 22, 2023 12:42 pm

basketballRob wrote:I really like Cam Johnson.

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Me too but he might be too big/slow to play at the 2. He’s going to get paid too much to be a backup guy, imo…especially when we have greater needs in our backcourt.

I really like him though and I think BRK pays to keep him and Bridges together, next to Claxton.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1939 » by tiderulz » Mon May 22, 2023 12:59 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:
Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Hendricks isn’t a 3. He is pretty much a 4 only.


All of the forwards are pretty versatile. I know Hendricks is a help rim- protector but he looks about 150 lbs. As big as Isaac is, his biggest defensive impact is on the perimeter, so PF/SF in name only (really for all of them). I don’t disagree with you though, especially long term, the team above is almost TOO deep, things will shake out as the rooks get their feet under them.


Hendricks is capable of guarding 1-5 and that could be very effective in defending the pick and roll. He also shoots off ball 3s really well so wouldn’t clog up the court for Paolo and Franz. Those two are our playmakers so we don’t really need that from him.

One thing to keep in mind. With the new CBA, depth might be the most important thing. Having Hendricks could allow us to try different attacks/defenses against teams to take advantage of mismatches

i seriously doubt that. sorry, i hate that statement (not a dig at you) very, very, very few people can really guard 1-5.
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Post#1940 » by tiderulz » Mon May 22, 2023 1:03 pm

Hogified05 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:The whole reason I'd want to trade Fultz for Eric Gordon and Cole for Conley is that both of those players are good veterans with expiring contracts. We would have around $90m in cap space in 2024.

The guard rotation would be Conley, Gordon, Suggs, Black, and George. Black and George would have the opportunity to win the starting position.

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On a unrelated note...does Jaylen Brown making all nba team pretty much count him out on leaving Boston? I know they can offer him like a crazy contract now because he made all nba. Feels like he wants out from quotes earlier this year. Would be a great fit for us.

i think Boston takes a long, hard look at whether they can really with this pairing. they both a great players, but there just seems something that is missing on that team. I could see Boston trading Brown for a different "star" to pair with Tatum. Maybe Lillard? and Portland starts the rebuild with Brown/Sharpe/#3? who knows.

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