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2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II

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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II 

Post#1941 » by jonbob17 » Mon May 22, 2023 1:26 pm

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My assumptions are…GSW regrets the Poole contract but that certainly doesn’t make him a bad player. GSW isn’t a real contender as currently constructed. If Myers leave, they’ll be facing tough decisions about their core- but they’re immensely loyal to their Big 3. The cap situation is a big issue there…and their youth movement hasn’t panned out. Time for some fiscally sound restructuring without a tear down. Some calculated risks that could actually make them better AND more flexible immediately.

ORL sends…Isaac ($17m, $7m guaranteed-defensive monster if healthy), Fultz ($17m, $2m guaranteed, strong on-ball, needs shooters), Cole Anthony (rookie deal, significantly improved BBIQ, great skillset), #11 pick, DEN 25 frp

GSW sends…Poole (big contract coming, ORL hands him the keys and prays that a change of scenery & role pays), Andrew Wiggins (GSW finishing school has polished game and he’s ready to win on both ends), #19 (largely to balance risk of Poole deal)

For ORL…Go Big! Once extensions kick in for Paolo & Franz, their roster will be locked, for better or worse. This is a very big bet on Poole’s ability to play the star role, while still deferring some spotlight to the highest-upside young player, Paolo, while still scoring 22+ ppg. He’s very young and very skilled, can he play the modern “Lead Guard” like Murray does in DEN? Can he be more efficient AND become a great facilitator? Can Wiggins, now the elder vet, continue to play smart and unselfishly on both ends without strong HOFers to keep him in his lane? Both could become All-Stars if they play winning Bball. Franz is good enough to become a 20ppg All-Star, but his game is built to be complementary, with ability to dominate when needed. Suddenly TONS of talent, but success will rest largely on Poole’s ability to grow as a floor general…scary situation with huge upside. The GSW egos must be checked at ORL airport as Paolo remains the big dog here- bad chemistry could be disastrous. Good chemistry jumps them to contending in a short time. #19 gets them solid frontcourt upside/depth, Lively or GG Jackson?

For GSW…huge cap relief, options with Fultz and Isaac deals. If Isaac is healthy, Wiggins’ defense is forgotten. Along with Draymond, they strangle opposing teams, from perimeter to rim. Klay’s ability to gamble defensively increases and his defensive exposure is
lessened. Cole pretty much replaces Poole, at a fraction of the cost and is understudy to Curry. Poole’s upside MIGHT be higher than Cole’s but Cole is more than up to the GSW role Poole outgrew/was overpaid for. Fultz is a big question- giving Curry more off-ball might help Curry out. Fultz isn’t a floor spreader, but he’s very efficient and a big, strong force with the ball. He can get where he wants and would thrive penetrating & kicking to Curry, Klay, and #11(Dick? Hawkins?)…either way, all 3 present good financial & basketball angles…two frps acknowledge Isaac’s health risk…if he’s good to go, he’s likely the best player in the deal and GSW is actually immediately improved as well as out from under the cap space tax hammer, to a greater degree at least.

Poole(All-Star, 24/9, HOU Harden), Suggs
Wiggins, Harris
Franz, Housman, Okeke
Paolo (All-Star, 21/9/6), Hendricks (#6), M. Wagner
WCJ, Lively (#19?), Goga

#19 could be Leonard Miller, Jett Howard, Whitehead, GG Jackson, Podzmieski…whoever impresses or drops to us


I realize Poole's value is circling the toilet, but i wonder if another Warrior, with maybe even a worse contract next year could be available. Klay Thompson has $43M left next year. If the Warriors are going to make one last run, things could get tough. If Draymond Green opts out, they have to re-sign him, the rest of their team won't work without him.

Warriors may be better off moving Klay, and trying to spend his money more effectively. Not sure it works straight up with the Magic, but maybe with a third team sending guy(s) to Warriors, and Magic sending pick to third team.

I am not giving up one of our firsts this year, but maybe our good 2nd and the Denver pick or something along those lines.

Not saying i would do it. Klay doesn't do much more than shoot these days. Not sure who is a worse defender between him and Poole, very different sizes, at different stages of careers.

It does seem Golden State is ripe for a semi-tear down. Definitely a team to keep our eye on. Maybe best to exercise patience. IF they have to re-sign Draymond to a multi-year deal this offseason, and next year they regress even further....I do think there is a possibility of a larger tear down next season, which the real prize, Steph becomes available.

The key is the Draymond option. Kind of think he has to opt out of his player option, the Warriors have to keep him if they want to contend. He's 33, and gotta make it this last deal count.
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Post#1942 » by MasterGMer » Mon May 22, 2023 2:29 pm

I think Damian plus Anfreen Simons to Boston for Jalen Brown works very well. Both sides get a valuable star in return if Boston is calling an end for Tatum plus Brown Paring
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Post#1943 » by Cammo101 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:08 pm

I'd love to package the 6 and 11 for Lillard or Jaylen Brown.
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Post#1945 » by Skin » Mon May 22, 2023 11:35 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I'd love to package the 6 and 11 for Lillard or Jaylen Brown.

We'd have to add Paolo to even the value.
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Post#1946 » by RookieStar » Tue May 23, 2023 12:33 am

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Post#1947 » by MagicFan101 » Tue May 23, 2023 12:35 am

MasterGMer wrote:I think Damian plus Anfreen Simons to Boston for Jalen Brown works very well. Both sides get a valuable star in return if Boston is calling an end for Tatum plus Brown Paring


They are trying to package #3 + Simmons, not Lilliard.
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Post#1948 » by SOUL » Tue May 23, 2023 12:35 am

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Post#1949 » by thelead » Tue May 23, 2023 12:46 am

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Cammo101 wrote:I'd love to package the 6 and 11 for Lillard or Jaylen Brown.

We'd have to add Paolo to even the value.

Lillard is old and Jaylen, while good, is overrated. No way does either get Paolo and 2 lotto picks.
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Post#1950 » by MagicFan101 » Tue May 23, 2023 1:03 am

thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:I'd love to package the 6 and 11 for Lillard or Jaylen Brown.

We'd have to add Paolo to even the value.

Lillard is old and Jaylen, while good, is overrated. No way does either get Paolo and 2 lotto picks.


Agreed. Between those teams the #3 pick or Tatum would need to be involved for Orlando to discuss Paolo and honestly, I doubt Orlando would … even for Tatum. Honestly. We want to build organically and hopefully this time we can get the star to stick around.
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Post#1951 » by thelead » Tue May 23, 2023 2:00 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:We'd have to add Paolo to even the value.

Lillard is old and Jaylen, while good, is overrated. No way does either get Paolo and 2 lotto picks.


Agreed. Between those teams the #3 pick or Tatum would need to be involved for Orlando to discuss Paolo and honestly, I doubt Orlando would … even for Tatum. Honestly. We want to build organically and hopefully this time we can get the star to stick around.

I don't trade Paolo for Tatum straight up at this point either. We know what Tatum is. I'll take the gamble on Paolo because I'm not sure you can win with Tatum as your number 1 and he's pretty much who he is at this point.
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Post#1952 » by RookieStar » Tue May 23, 2023 2:08 am

SOUL wrote:I mean Vuc is home because he probably still lives here :lol:


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Post#1953 » by eyriq » Tue May 23, 2023 2:19 am

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MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:Lillard is old and Jaylen, while good, is overrated. No way does either get Paolo and 2 lotto picks.


Agreed. Between those teams the #3 pick or Tatum would need to be involved for Orlando to discuss Paolo and honestly, I doubt Orlando would … even for Tatum. Honestly. We want to build organically and hopefully this time we can get the star to stick around.

I don't trade Paolo for Tatum straight up at this point either. We know what Tatum is. I'll take the gamble on Paolo because I'm not sure you can win with Tatum as your number 1 and he's pretty much who he is at this point.


I wouldn't trade Paolo for Tatum either. Paolo is somehow still underrated, but that is ok.

One interesting way of looking at the macro effect of drafting Paolo is to look at year-over-year change in margin of victory. Love to see the impact the young man is having.

1993, Draft Shaq, MOV +8.23
2019, Hire Steve Clifford, MOV +5.53
2023, Draft Paolo, MOV +5.44
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Post#1954 » by Skin » Tue May 23, 2023 2:20 am

thelead wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:Lillard is old and Jaylen, while good, is overrated. No way does either get Paolo and 2 lotto picks.


Agreed. Between those teams the #3 pick or Tatum would need to be involved for Orlando to discuss Paolo and honestly, I doubt Orlando would … even for Tatum. Honestly. We want to build organically and hopefully this time we can get the star to stick around.

I don't trade Paolo for Tatum straight up at this point either. We know what Tatum is. I'll take the gamble on Paolo because I'm not sure you can win with Tatum as your number 1 and he's pretty much who he is at this point.

But those teams won't take less so it's moot anyways.
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Post#1955 » by MagicFan101 » Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 am

Skin wrote:
thelead wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
Agreed. Between those teams the #3 pick or Tatum would need to be involved for Orlando to discuss Paolo and honestly, I doubt Orlando would … even for Tatum. Honestly. We want to build organically and hopefully this time we can get the star to stick around.

I don't trade Paolo for Tatum straight up at this point either. We know what Tatum is. I'll take the gamble on Paolo because I'm not sure you can win with Tatum as your number 1 and he's pretty much who he is at this point.

But those teams won't take less so it's moot anyways.


Exactly; they won’t take less which to me makes it an interesting debate … not moot at all. Most of all it is interesting because I suspect most here will agree that Paolo (especially on an early rookie deal) is not someone we would deal for Tatum. That might surprise many at first but after some thought makes a lot of sense.
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Post#1956 » by eyriq » Tue May 23, 2023 2:46 pm

How do we turn Cole and Fultz into FVV?
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Post#1957 » by 89Magicfan » Tue May 23, 2023 2:51 pm

eyriq wrote:How do we turn Cole and Fultz into Scoot Henderson?
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Post#1958 » by eyriq » Tue May 23, 2023 2:54 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
eyriq wrote:How do we turn Cole and Fultz into Scoot Henderson?
Haha, I love the reframe!
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Post#1959 » by zaymon » Tue May 23, 2023 5:54 pm

eyriq wrote:How do we turn Cole and Fultz into FVV?


Leave Cole, cut Fultz, use money on FVV.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#1960 » by eyriq » Tue May 23, 2023 5:56 pm

zaymon wrote:
eyriq wrote:How do we turn Cole and Fultz into FVV?


Leave Cole, cut Fultz, use money on FVV.
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