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Knightro wrote:OnlyFranz22 wrote:Hartenstein is not a good fit in the starting lineup with Franz/Paolo who need space to operate in the mid range/paint.
If it was for a big off the bench role who brings energy/second chance opportunities and can get open looks on the perimeter with his passing I’d be 100 percent down……. But that’s not how he is gonna be paid.
The offense sucked with Carter “spacing” the floor for those guys though.
basketballRob wrote:I think we're all getting desperate for a big signing. 2 months ago, this board unanimously didn't want to give PG a 4 year max deal. Now, almost unanimously, everyone does.
Bergmaniac wrote:Knightro wrote:OnlyFranz22 wrote:Hartenstein is not a good fit in the starting lineup with Franz/Paolo who need space to operate in the mid range/paint.
If it was for a big off the bench role who brings energy/second chance opportunities and can get open looks on the perimeter with his passing I’d be 100 percent down……. But that’s not how he is gonna be paid.
The offense sucked with Carter “spacing” the floor for those guys though.
Carter's spacing has always been overrated, teams leave him wide open to shoot 3s quite often yet he only averaged 1.3 makes per game last season on a pretty average percentage for the quality of looks he was getting. The offense has never been good with him on the court. A more traditional rim running centre can easily be better for the offense with his vertical spacing and offensive rebounding. And Hartenstein's passing would be huge on a team as lacking at this element as ours.
MagicMatic wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:Knightro wrote:
The offense sucked with Carter “spacing” the floor for those guys though.
Carter's spacing has always been overrated, teams leave him wide open to shoot 3s quite often yet he only averaged 1.3 makes per game last season on a pretty average percentage for the quality of looks he was getting. The offense has never been good with him on the court. A more traditional rim running centre can easily be better for the offense with his vertical spacing and offensive rebounding. And Hartenstein's passing would be huge on a team as lacking at this element as ours.
I’m not sure why people don’t understand this.
Sexton isn't a free agent, and Ainge always wants an overpay in trades.tiderulz wrote:I dont hate it, but not a fan of getting KCP as we already have a younger version of him in Suggs. How about kicking the tires on Collin Sexton. under $20mil/yr. good 3 pt shooter. might not cost too much as he doesnt seem to be in Utah's future plans. can play the point with Suggs and can also play with Black.
Knightro wrote:I’m still expecting KCP and someone else when George doesn’t pick Orlando.
three3d wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:Carter's spacing has always been overrated, teams leave him wide open to shoot 3s quite often yet he only averaged 1.3 makes per game last season on a pretty average percentage for the quality of looks he was getting. The offense has never been good with him on the court. A more traditional rim running centre can easily be better for the offense with his vertical spacing and offensive rebounding. And Hartenstein's passing would be huge on a team as lacking at this element as ours.
I’m not sure why people don’t understand this.
We’re trying to reinvent the wheel and run a lineup of all forwards and 1 shooting guard it feels like. It hasn’t worked, it’s not going to work. They are making the job so much easier on opposing teams this way. You have to have a point guard that can break down a defense and run a proper play for crying out loud. You have to have different levels of scoring to make defenses play honest. Come on, how many times did we see 3-4 defenders surrounding Paolo? And despite being double, triple, quadruple teamed Paolo still has a really good season. When 3,4,5 sets of eyes are focused on Paolo it opens up the lob, Suggs took advantage of that and has really nice backdoor cuts. We need more of that!
basketballRob wrote:Sexton isn't a free agent, and Ainge always wants an overpay in trades.tiderulz wrote:I dont hate it, but not a fan of getting KCP as we already have a younger version of him in Suggs. How about kicking the tires on Collin Sexton. under $20mil/yr. good 3 pt shooter. might not cost too much as he doesnt seem to be in Utah's future plans. can play the point with Suggs and can also play with Black.
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MagicMatic wrote:three3d wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
I’m not sure why people don’t understand this.
We’re trying to reinvent the wheel and run a lineup of all forwards and 1 shooting guard it feels like. It hasn’t worked, it’s not going to work. They are making the job so much easier on opposing teams this way. You have to have a point guard that can break down a defense and run a proper play for crying out loud. You have to have different levels of scoring to make defenses play honest. Come on, how many times did we see 3-4 defenders surrounding Paolo? And despite being double, triple, quadruple teamed Paolo still has a really good season. When 3,4,5 sets of eyes are focused on Paolo it opens up the lob, Suggs took advantage of that and has really nice backdoor cuts. We need more of that!
Yes.
And they have to know this already, but I think they are putting too much stock in Suggs being able to break down defenses. Either that, or relying on Paolo/Franz to do it.
Regardless… You can have one of the two: No true rim running Center that provides more floor stretching, or no true point guard that breaks down defenses. Not both.
That’s relying too heavily on your forwards to compensate for defense on one side and to run everything on the other. Expending more energy to make multiple pieces work when its easier for players to have defined roles.
Anti Chalmers wrote:I think PG will stay with LAC. We’ll end up with ihart and one of kcp/klay
Anti Chalmers wrote:basketballRob wrote:Sexton isn't a free agent, and Ainge always wants an overpay in trades.tiderulz wrote:I dont hate it, but not a fan of getting KCP as we already have a younger version of him in Suggs. How about kicking the tires on Collin Sexton. under $20mil/yr. good 3 pt shooter. might not cost too much as he doesnt seem to be in Utah's future plans. can play the point with Suggs and can also play with Black.
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Yeah I would never want to deal with Ainge
jjohns828 wrote:Anti Chalmers wrote:I think PG will stay with LAC. We’ll end up with ihart and one of kcp/klay
I haven't been in favor of Klay but if we sign IH and it's between KCP and Klay I think I'd prefer Klay. I think we need volume shooting more than what KCP brings. Though I personally don't think either really fixes the main problem with our offense, not having a real starting PG.
three3d wrote:jjohns828 wrote:Anti Chalmers wrote:I think PG will stay with LAC. We’ll end up with ihart and one of kcp/klay
I haven't been in favor of Klay but if we sign IH and it's between KCP and Klay I think I'd prefer Klay. I think we need volume shooting more than what KCP brings. Though I personally don't think either really fixes the main problem with our offense, not having a real starting PG.
I like IH and Isaiah Joe more