Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[Nyce_1]

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Imo Moses would be a very good addition to the roster.

These passing clips is content I look for. Shows bball IQ, unselfishness, and his ability to be a legit 2-way player. He'll be more than a 3&D IMO.

[Magic Mops]

the fact that a lot of scouting reports has EFFORT as a key weakness scares the crap out of me. GM's get fooled every year by the same archetype as Kuminga. Sekou Doumbouya and Kuminga are almost copy paste players IMO and if they can't shoot or improve offensively then the pick is a waste

Have you checked games of the Ignite team? I'm not a Kuminga fan by any means, but I couldn't see any lack of effort while he was playing. Bamba for example always looked a bit sluggish at Texas, but at the time I was still happy with the pick and I still believe in Bambas ability of being a really impactful player.

But yeah effort is also hard to teach it seems, either you're a competitor (Anthony, Isaac) who sacrifices his ass on every play, or you're just not.

Would still prefer Green for our team, because 3 level scoring is what we need the most and for me he is by far BPA, but will be interesting to see what happens draft night.

Go watch the full games that highlight the cons. It’s glaring.

If I want a athletic guard/wing that needs to improve their shot, I’d take Keon Johnson over Kuminga.

Why Keon?

[89Magicfan]

Have you checked games of the Ignite team? I'm not a Kuminga fan by any means, but I couldn't see any lack of effort while he was playing. Bamba for example always looked a bit sluggish at Texas, but at the time I was still happy with the pick and I still believe in Bambas ability of being a really impactful player.

But yeah effort is also hard to teach it seems, either you're a competitor (Anthony, Isaac) who sacrifices his ass on every play, or you're just not.

Would still prefer Green for our team, because 3 level scoring is what we need the most and for me he is by far BPA, but will be interesting to see what happens draft night.

Go watch the full games that highlight the cons. It’s glaring.

If I want a athletic guard/wing that needs to improve their shot, I’d take Keon Johnson over Kuminga.

Why Keon?

Effort, defense is not a question mark. He’s absolutely committed in those areas at a high level. Shot better in all areas but significantly better at field goal and free throw.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Per Twitter world and some decent credible "sources" Jalen Green has a commitment from Houston at #2 which makes a lot of sense.

Apparently, Porter Jr. has a long-time friendship with Jalen and personally asked upper management to draft him.

We'll see, but if that was the case things can get weird. If there's not a trade down scenario I could see Cleveland going after Barnes with this pick.

Toronto praises the draft gods and draft Mobley without any hesitation.

and Suggs falls in our laps so we dont have to decide between Kuminga.

6 - Kuminga
7 - Mitchell
8 - Moody

Suggs/Moody is an A grade draft imo.

We fill two starting positions with dogs.

*Fultz/Cole/Jacked MCW
Suggs/Hampton/Harrir or Ross (one is moved this summer)
Moody/Ennis?
*Isaac/Okeke/Wagner?
Carter/Bamba/#31?

As of October of 2019

PG - Augustine/Grant/Briscoe/*Caupain
SG - Fournier/Ross/Iwundu

2021

PG - Fultz/Cole
SG - Suggs/Hampton/Moody

[Magic Mops]

Go watch the full games that highlight the cons. It’s glaring.

If I want a athletic guard/wing that needs to improve their shot, I’d take Keon Johnson over Kuminga.

Why Keon?

Effort, defense is not a question mark. He’s absolutely committed in those areas at a high level. Shot better in all areas but significantly better at field goal and free throw.

I am sure that the Front Office has their eyes on Keon.

[89Magicfan]

Why Keon?

Effort, defense is not a question mark. He’s absolutely committed in those areas at a high level. Shot better in all areas but significantly better at field goal and free throw.

I am sure that the Front Office has their eyes on Keon.

If you’re looking at Kuminga you might as well take a good hard look at Keon too.

[Magic Mops]

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[basketballRob]

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He's going to be very good. Same standing reach as Donovan Mitchell, but more hops.

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[KillMonger]

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[TDJacksonville]

Per Twitter world and some decent credible "sources" Jalen Green has a commitment from Houston at #2 which makes a lot of sense.

Apparently, Porter Jr. has a long-time friendship with Jalen and personally asked upper management to draft him.

We'll see, but if that was the case things can get weird. If there's not a trade down scenario I could see Cleveland going after Barnes with this pick.

Toronto praises the draft gods and draft Mobley without any hesitation.

and Suggs falls in our laps so we dont have to decide between Kuminga.

6 - Kuminga
7 - Mitchell
8 - Moody

Suggs/Moody is an A grade draft imo.

We fill two starting positions with dogs.

*Fultz/Cole/Jacked MCW
Suggs/Hampton/Harrir or Ross (one is moved this summer)
Moody/Ennis?
*Isaac/Okeke/Wagner?
Carter/Bamba/#31?

As of October of 2019

PG - Augustine/Grant/Briscoe/*Caupain
SG - Fournier/Ross/Iwundu

2021

PG - Fultz/Cole
SG - Suggs/Hampton/Moody

promises are great and all but the Pistons could legitimately take green. They picked Hayes last year and he's a pg. Green gives them a nice scorer to pair with Hayes, bey and stewarrt

[89Magicfan]

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If he really does improve his 3 level scoring, he’s dangerous. I really want to draft him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Per Twitter world and some decent credible "sources" Jalen Green has a commitment from Houston at #2 which makes a lot of sense.

Apparently, Porter Jr. has a long-time friendship with Jalen and personally asked upper management to draft him.

We'll see, but if that was the case things can get weird. If there's not a trade down scenario I could see Cleveland going after Barnes with this pick.

Toronto praises the draft gods and draft Mobley without any hesitation.

and Suggs falls in our laps so we dont have to decide between Kuminga.

6 - Kuminga
7 - Mitchell
8 - Moody

Suggs/Moody is an A grade draft imo.

We fill two starting positions with dogs.

*Fultz/Cole/Jacked MCW
Suggs/Hampton/Harrir or Ross (one is moved this summer)
Moody/Ennis?
*Isaac/Okeke/Wagner?
Carter/Bamba/#31?

As of October of 2019

PG - Augustine/Grant/Briscoe/*Caupain
SG - Fournier/Ross/Iwundu

2021

PG - Fultz/Cole
SG - Suggs/Hampton/Moody

promises are great and all but the Pistons could legitimately take green. They picked Hayes last year and he's a pg. Green gives them a nice scorer to pair with Hayes, bey and stewarrt

Stop it.

Cade can play the 2 as good as he can play the 1 and trust me no one is not taking Cade because they have Killian Hayes

[TDJacksonville]

Per Twitter world and some decent credible "sources" Jalen Green has a commitment from Houston at #2 which makes a lot of sense.

Apparently, Porter Jr. has a long-time friendship with Jalen and personally asked upper management to draft him.

We'll see, but if that was the case things can get weird. If there's not a trade down scenario I could see Cleveland going after Barnes with this pick.

Toronto praises the draft gods and draft Mobley without any hesitation.

and Suggs falls in our laps so we dont have to decide between Kuminga.

6 - Kuminga
7 - Mitchell
8 - Moody

Suggs/Moody is an A grade draft imo.

We fill two starting positions with dogs.

*Fultz/Cole/Jacked MCW
Suggs/Hampton/Harrir or Ross (one is moved this summer)
Moody/Ennis?
*Isaac/Okeke/Wagner?
Carter/Bamba/#31?

As of October of 2019

PG - Augustine/Grant/Briscoe/*Caupain
SG - Fournier/Ross/Iwundu

2021

PG - Fultz/Cole
SG - Suggs/Hampton/Moody

promises are great and all but the Pistons could legitimately take green. They picked Hayes last year and he's a pg. Green gives them a nice scorer to pair with Hayes, bey and stewarrt

Stop it.

Cade can play the 2 as good as he can play the 1 and trust me no one is not taking Cade because they have Killian Hayes

Troy weaver isn't a conventional guy and who's to say weaver doesn't view there being a big drop off between cade and green.

Pistons need a scorer and while cade could be that guy greens probably got a lil more potential

[KillMonger]

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If he really does improve his 3 level scoring, he’s dangerous. I really want to draft him.

Crazy thing i learned about Keon is he just started playing basketball in high school

[OrlChamps2030]

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Imo Moses would be a very good addition to the roster.

These passing clips is content I look for. Shows bball IQ, unselfishness, and his ability to be a legit 2-way player. He'll be more than a 3&D IMO.

If you like clips like that, check this article Cedric posted about Moody https://theknickswall.com/knicks-2021-draft-profiles-moses-moody-allure-3-and-d-prospects/

Has shot compilation, off dribble shooting, passing comp, hustle plays, and good defense.

Moody’s feel for the game seems to be underrated

[Knightro]

I'm probably a nerd for doing this, but I want to push back on max vertical for a second and the way guys cheat the system to make it appear like they have a better vertical.

So the way max vertical is measured is that you jump as high as you can and touch as high as you can on the marker. Then you subtract your standing reach from whatever you touched on the marker and that number is your max vertical.

The problem is there have been dozens of guys over the years who will shrug their shoulders and not stretch their arms as far as they can on their standing reach. If you intentionally kill your standing reach by 3-5 inches and then jump really high, your max vertical is going to benefit significantly.

Keon Johnson can clearly leap, I'm not saying he's not athletic because he clearly is. But I would be willing to bet any amount of money that he intentionally tanked his standing reach to make his vertical number pop even more.

Keon's standing reach despite being 6'3 1/2 barefoot with a 6'7 1/4 wingspan was just 8'1" inches. That is impossibly low.

To compare...

Tre Mann and Jared Butler who are both shorter then Keon and have MUCH shorter wingspans (6'4") each had a 8'2 1/2" standing reach.

How is it possible that shorter player with shorter arms can reach higher? Keon tanked his standing reach while Mann and Butler didn't.

[tiderulz]

I'm probably a nerd for doing this, but I want to push back on max vertical for a second and the way guys cheat the system to make it appear like they have a better vertical.

So the way max vertical is measured is that you jump as high as you can and touch as high as you can on the marker. Then you subtract your standing reach from whatever you touched on the marker and that number is your max vertical.

The problem is there have been dozens of guys over the years who will shrug their shoulders and not stretch their arms as far as they can on their standing reach. If you intentionally kill your standing reach by 3-5 inches and then jump really high, your max vertical is going to benefit significantly.

Keon Johnson can clearly leap, I'm not saying he's not athletic because he clearly is. But I would be willing to bet any amount of money that he intentionally tanked his standing reach to make his vertical number pop even more.

Keon's standing reach despite being 6'3 1/2 barefoot with a 6'7 1/4 wingspan was just 8'1" inches. That is impossibly low.

To compare...

Tre Mann and Jared Butler who are both shorter then Keon and have MUCH shorter wingspans (6'4") each had a 8'2 1/2" standing reach.

How is it possible that shorter player with shorter arms can reach higher? Keon tanked his standing reach while Mann and Butler didn't.

only thing i can think of, shoulder width. If you have wide shoulders, your reach wont be as high. smaller shoulder span, more of your arms go up.

[Xatticus]

I'm probably a nerd for doing this, but I want to push back on max vertical for a second and the way guys cheat the system to make it appear like they have a better vertical.

So the way max vertical is measured is that you jump as high as you can and touch as high as you can on the marker. Then you subtract your standing reach from whatever you touched on the marker and that number is your max vertical.

The problem is there have been dozens of guys over the years who will shrug their shoulders and not stretch their arms as far as they can on their standing reach. If you intentionally kill your standing reach by 3-5 inches and then jump really high, your max vertical is going to benefit significantly.

Keon Johnson can clearly leap, I'm not saying he's not athletic because he clearly is. But I would be willing to bet any amount of money that he intentionally tanked his standing reach to make his vertical number pop even more.

Keon's standing reach despite being 6'3 1/2 barefoot with a 6'7 1/4 wingspan was just 8'1" inches. That is impossibly low.

To compare...

Tre Mann and Jared Butler who are both shorter then Keon and have MUCH shorter wingspans (6'4") each had a 8'2 1/2" standing reach.

How is it possible that shorter player with shorter arms can reach higher? Keon tanked his standing reach while Mann and Butler didn't.

only thing i can think of, shoulder width. If you have wide shoulders, your reach wont be as high. smaller shoulder span, more of your arms go up.

I'm just really skeptical about a lot of the numbers this year. These max verts are getting out of hand. Sharife Cooper grew four inches. It feels like we need to revamp the quality control at the combine.

[Skybox]

this is what I'm starting to want now Barnes & Moody from this draft.

We will be bashed here because we like Scottie(because of his shooting) but i am totally on board with your opinion.

Barnes is a glue guy like Okeke and the dude does have a lot of positives in his game that I'm not going to ignore. At 5 he's BPA and you work with it, the fact that we also have 8 helps with taking Barnes because we should be able to get Moody or Bouk.

A roster of glue guys...it will feel like the scoreboard is covered in glue. We need buckets!

[MartinsIzAfraud]

We will be bashed here because we like Scottie(because of his shooting) but i am totally on board with your opinion.

Barnes is a glue guy like Okeke and the dude does have a lot of positives in his game that I'm not going to ignore. At 5 he's BPA and you work with it, the fact that we also have 8 helps with taking Barnes because we should be able to get Moody or Bouk.

A roster of glue guys...it will feel like the scoreboard is covered in glue. We need buckets!

of course we do but you can't reach for Moody or Bouknight at 5 unless they're BPA at 5 which doesn't seem likely