The Trade To End All Trades (ORL/LAL/HOU)

[OrlChamps2030]

I think this is by far the best haul and fair deal we can get for Howard i think Houston will do this and if we send like our pick plus a pick from houston the lakers will do it too then we will have so much money to throw at Harden if OKC matches we turn around and go after two of Ellis/Iggy/Smith thats assuming we dont resign Nelson or Anderson maybe Anderson could be S%T to sweeten the pot for LA instead of Scola no way to do that on trade machine though
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=br255nd

I like this trade a lot..

Sending out Ryno in a S&T for the Lamar Odom TPE may be needed though.

[OrlandO]

How about we just keep Dwight after he signs the extension and let Houston/LA trade with each other...

[Def Swami]

How about we just keep Dwight after he signs the extension and let Houston/LA trade with each other...

[trebone]

Have us getting Martin from Houston and shipping out hedo and you have my attention

[Nemesis21]

No thanks, I'd rather keep D12 and build around him.

[bigdogdylan5]

No thanks, I'd rather keep D12 and build around him.

I value all of your opinions but obviously that is best case situation that we keep them but we are thinking that IF we have too trade him if u dont like us thinking that way then fine but stop posting that u want to keep Howard because we all know that is what is best for this team if u dont like it dont read it

In the unfortunate event that we are forced to trade Dwight: What do you guys think of this trade

Have us getting Martin from Houston and shipping out hedo and you have my attention

I had that in my proposal that the poster agreed with was better

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=br255nd

[The Effect]

any trade that involves howard for BynUM

[CourtsideTV]

can all the dwight trades stay in ONE THREAD..this is getting out of hand plus we have nothign to do with where and how he gets traded. gets annoying seeing threads pop up - OMG Dwight for BARGNANI!!!! or DWIGHT FOR BYNUMS HANDICAP PERMIT..jeez

[eyriq]

And sorry to break it to ya, both Lowry and Bynum run circles around Ryno in terms of talent as a "core guy".

Lowry is very, very far from a sure thing. Career average PER of 15.9 and eFG% of .475%. His breakout year this year has him with a PER 18.9 and an eFG% of .486. He used around the same number of possessions for Houston offensively as Ryno did for us, 22% USG compared to 21.2% USG for Ryno, and was terrific getting to the line which is IMO his most attractive quality. He does not come close to running circles around Anderson statistically. If you trade Dwight you do it to secure a Win Now package; trading Dwight PER 24.2 + Ryan PER 21.2 for Bynum PER 22.9 + Lowry PER 18.9 does not come close to qualifying IMO. Not to mention it leaves us close to the same position in our search for a 3rd core guy. Downgrading our core while not overly improving our prospects of adding to that core is not going to cut it for me.

[dwightsmight12]

I'm not sold on that trade. I'd like Lowry but not at the expense of Dwight. I don't hate Bynum as much as some people, but I'd much rather wait until the lottery to see if the Nets get the 1st pick. If so, I'd sit Dwight down and have a long conversation with him regarding the future of the team. If he won't buy in and all signs point to him leaving, I'd ship him off to NJ for that first pick and take Davis.

[OrlChamps2030]

I'm not sold on that trade. I'd like Lowry but not at the expense of Dwight. I don't hate Bynum as much as some people, but I'd much rather wait until the lottery to see if the Nets get the 1st pick. If so, I'd sit Dwight down and have a long conversation with him regarding the future of the team. If he won't buy in and all signs point to him leaving, I'd ship him off to NJ for that first pick and take Davis.

I would love to keep Dwight. This trade was just in response to the circumstance of us HAVING to trade Dwight. I didn't post this trade because I thought it would be an upgrade to our current team, I posted it in the case of us trading Dwight.

To Eyriq: I'm sorry but thinking Anderson is better than Lowry is laughable to me. Lowry is a great two-way player that can get to the line, shoot the 3 (and his shot is greatly improved, improvement and expansion of a player's offensive game is always a great sign), great rebounding PG, good distributor, and is a legitimate triple double threat. Ryan Anderson is a good shooter, solid rebounder, that took advantage of having Dwight Howard on his team.

In fact, I am so confident in Kyle Lowry being a better player (and having more potential) than Ryan Anderson, I am willing to bet my account that Lowry will be an all-star before Ryan Anderson. I would love for you to take me up on this bet, in favor of Ryan Anderson however.

[eyriq]

I'm not sold on that trade. I'd like Lowry but not at the expense of Dwight. I don't hate Bynum as much as some people, but I'd much rather wait until the lottery to see if the Nets get the 1st pick. If so, I'd sit Dwight down and have a long conversation with him regarding the future of the team. If he won't buy in and all signs point to him leaving, I'd ship him off to NJ for that first pick and take Davis.

I would love to keep Dwight. This trade was just in response to the circumstance of us HAVING to trade Dwight. I didn't post this trade because I thought it would be an upgrade to our current team, I posted it in the case of us trading Dwight.

To Eyriq: I'm sorry but thinking Anderson is better than Lowry is laughable to me. Lowry is a great two-way player that can get to the line, shoot the 3 (and his shot is greatly improved, improvement in a players offensive array is always a great sign), great rebounding PG, good distributor, and is a legitimate triple double threat. Ryan Anderson is a good shooter, solid rebounder, that took advantage of having Dwight Howard on his team.

In fact, I am so confident in Kyle Lowry being a better player (and having more potential) than Ryan Anderson, I am willing to bet my account that Lowry will be an all-star before Ryan Anderson. I would love for you to take me up on this bet, in favor of Ryan Anderson however.

This would presume some profit in you deleting your account, which there is none for me. We like posters who contribute to the community, which you clearly do, regardless of the ugly mug in your avatar.

That said, it is an interesting proposition. Lowry the all star before Anderson the all star. A lot of this will depend on circumstances. Neither player will ever start an all star game, I just don't see them ever being #1 guys. So then it will depend on their situations. Do they compliment a franchise player as a core piece on a contender? Coaches will reward a contender's 2nd or even 3rd best player some times. Right now Ryan is our teams 2nd best player (statistically speaking) and we were a top 3 seed going into the break this past season and will likely be again next season if things remain relatively the same. Of course drastic changes are brewing so who knows what the situation will look like. As for Lowry, there are trade rumblings and the like but if he stays the same he'll likely be the best player on a bubble team. Does this get him in with the coaches? It didn't this year but if he sustains his play it could next season, but being the best player on a bubble team isn't sustainable so I don't think that is a good scenario to bet on.

Lots of unknowns but just in case you have some staying power on this board and we remember this if it ever settles I'll take Anderson in your proposition.

[OrlChamps2030]

I'm not sold on that trade. I'd like Lowry but not at the expense of Dwight. I don't hate Bynum as much as some people, but I'd much rather wait until the lottery to see if the Nets get the 1st pick. If so, I'd sit Dwight down and have a long conversation with him regarding the future of the team. If he won't buy in and all signs point to him leaving, I'd ship him off to NJ for that first pick and take Davis.

I would love to keep Dwight. This trade was just in response to the circumstance of us HAVING to trade Dwight. I didn't post this trade because I thought it would be an upgrade to our current team, I posted it in the case of us trading Dwight.

To Eyriq: I'm sorry but thinking Anderson is better than Lowry is laughable to me. Lowry is a great two-way player that can get to the line, shoot the 3 (and his shot is greatly improved, improvement in a players offensive array is always a great sign), great rebounding PG, good distributor, and is a legitimate triple double threat. Ryan Anderson is a good shooter, solid rebounder, that took advantage of having Dwight Howard on his team.

In fact, I am so confident in Kyle Lowry being a better player (and having more potential) than Ryan Anderson, I am willing to bet my account that Lowry will be an all-star before Ryan Anderson. I would love for you to take me up on this bet, in favor of Ryan Anderson however.

This would presume some profit in you deleting your account, which there is none for me. We like posters who contribute to the community, which you clearly do, regardless of the ugly mug in your avatar.

That said, it is an interesting proposition. Lowry the all star before Anderson the all star. A lot of this will depend on circumstances. Neither player will ever start an all star game, I just don't see them ever being #1 guys. So then it will depend on their situations. Do they compliment a franchise player as a core piece on a contender? Coaches will reward a contender's 2nd or even 3rd best player some times. Right now Ryan is our teams 2nd best player (statistically speaking) and we were a top 3 seed going into the break this past season and will likely be again next season if things remain relatively the same. Of course drastic changes are brewing so who knows what the situation will look like. As for Lowry, there are trade rumblings and the like but if he stays the same he'll likely be the best player on a bubble team. Does this get him in with the coaches? It didn't this year but if he sustains his play it could next season, but being the best player on a bubble team isn't sustainable so I don't think that is a good scenario to bet on.

Lots of unknowns but just in case you have some staying power on this board and we remember this if it ever settles I'll take Anderson in your proposition.

Perhaps a sig bet would work better then...

Anyways. I agree a lot of Lowry vs Anderson is circumstantial. In my opinion the point guard position is much deeper than the power forward position (especially with all the great PGs out west).

As to Lowry missing out on the all-star team this year: he was injured for a significant part of the year. Even when he came back he was still banged up. He was putting up MONSTER stars prior to his injury.

Many people were calling for him to be an all-star..in fact there was an article on yahoo saying he was the BEST PG IN THE LEAGUE A bit of an overstatement..but you catch my drift.

If the rockets were healthy last yr they would have been 8th seed..if they make a trade with LAL for Gasol and keep Lowry they will be the 8th seed, maybe 7th. In that circumstance I can see Lowry being named an all-star reserve.

[trebone]

And sorry to break it to ya, both Lowry and Bynum run circles around Ryno in terms of talent as a "core guy".

Lowry is very, very far from a sure thing. Career average PER of 15.9 and eFG% of .475%. His breakout year this year has him with a PER 18.9 and an eFG% of .486. He used around the same number of possessions for Houston offensively as Ryno did for us, 22% USG compared to 21.2% USG for Ryno, and was terrific getting to the line which is IMO his most attractive quality. He does not come close to running circles around Anderson statistically. If you trade Dwight you do it to secure a Win Now package; trading Dwight PER 24.2 + Ryan PER 21.2 for Bynum PER 22.9 + Lowry PER 18.9 does not come close to qualifying IMO. Not to mention it leaves us close to the same position in our search for a 3rd core guy. Downgrading our core while not overly improving our prospects of adding to that core is not going to cut it for me.

But keep in mind we would be keeping Anderson and upgrading lowry over nelson while swapping bynum for howard

[trebone]

And sorry to break it to ya, both Lowry and Bynum run circles around Ryno in terms of talent as a "core guy".

Lowry is very, very far from a sure thing. Career average PER of 15.9 and eFG% of .475%. His breakout year this year has him with a PER 18.9 and an eFG% of .486. He used around the same number of possessions for Houston offensively as Ryno did for us, 22% USG compared to 21.2% USG for Ryno, and was terrific getting to the line which is IMO his most attractive quality. He does not come close to running circles around Anderson statistically. If you trade Dwight you do it to secure a Win Now package; trading Dwight PER 24.2 + Ryan PER 21.2 for Bynum PER 22.9 + Lowry PER 18.9 does not come close to qualifying IMO. Not to mention it leaves us close to the same position in our search for a 3rd core guy. Downgrading our core while not overly improving our prospects of adding to that core is not going to cut it for me.

But keep in mind we would be keeping Anderson and upgrading lowry over nelson while swapping bynum for howard

[eyriq]

And sorry to break it to ya, both Lowry and Bynum run circles around Ryno in terms of talent as a "core guy".

Lowry is very, very far from a sure thing. Career average PER of 15.9 and eFG% of .475%. His breakout year this year has him with a PER 18.9 and an eFG% of .486. He used around the same number of possessions for Houston offensively as Ryno did for us, 22% USG compared to 21.2% USG for Ryno, and was terrific getting to the line which is IMO his most attractive quality. He does not come close to running circles around Anderson statistically. If you trade Dwight you do it to secure a Win Now package; trading Dwight PER 24.2 + Ryan PER 21.2 for Bynum PER 22.9 + Lowry PER 18.9 does not come close to qualifying IMO. Not to mention it leaves us close to the same position in our search for a 3rd core guy. Downgrading our core while not overly improving our prospects of adding to that core is not going to cut it for me.

But keep in mind we would be keeping Anderson and upgrading lowry over nelson while swapping bynum for howard

That wasn't the proposed trade but that would be something I'd be interested in, especially if we were able to move Hedo with Howard.

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Something like:

Orlando out: Howard $2.00, Hedo -.25¢ = $1.75/2
Orlando in: Bynum $1.00, Lowry .50¢, Houston #14 .25¢, future Houston .25¢ = $2.00/4

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Lakers out: Bynum $1.00, Gasol $1.00 = $2.00/2
Lakers in: Howard $2.00, Hedo -.25 = $1.75/2

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Houston out: Lowry .50¢, #14 .25¢, future 1st .25¢ = $1.00/3
Houston in: Gasol $1.00 = $1.00/1

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Orlando still loses this trade as we are trading the best player and getting back parts that while adding up to the whole don't make a whole and require more fine tuning to get chemistry and balance right, making the right call with the picks, and using cap space right, etc. Realistically though the Magic are going to lose any trade but if we are looking to contend in the near future and we absolutely need to trade Dwight (I don't see this as the case unless he demands another trade), than something like this is goodish.

Houston and LAL win this trade because they return the far better player in each trade. The only way this calculus changes is if a different evaluation of each players worth is shown to be more accurate, and since I'm coming up with these players values on my ownski this is probably the case. You don't know what you don't know as they say.

[trebone]

But do you think this is a better lineup than what we ran last season?

Lowry
Jj
Jrich
Anderson
Bynum

[OrlChamps2030]

But do you think this is a better lineup than what we ran last season?

Lowry
Jj
Jrich
Anderson
Bynum

Irrelevant to the point at hand. See: OP

In the unfortunate event that we are forced to trade Dwight: What do you guys think of this trade (trade machine is kind of hard to use when you do S&T's, TPE's, etc.):

All trades proposed in this thread are in the scenario that Dwight forces a trade out, or Martins is forced to trade him. No one is claiming that we would be better with or without Dwight.

But that team is pretty sexy

[toquito]

I don't think the Lakers would do that trade eyriq. Anyways props to Zmill for the most realistic trade with the best possible return for the Magic ever proposed on this board. That Nolimit guy would crap his pants for this.

Were not going to trade Howard and get better, but this is the closest thing we could trade for to be where we were at. Crying that Bynum and Lowry won't win us anything is just dumb. Of course not right away. Where we were going anyway? We get worse every damn year. We have cap space in 2013 like everyone knows. One year of being first round fodder and meshing together then we have a chance to be better than we are now. Is that really that bad? Would you rather be the Wizards or something?

Boo boo bee boo i have to wait a year. Stop being so stubborn. IF Dwight doesn't sign that extension I'm jumping on this trade's bandwagon HARD.

[eyriq]

Personally I'd rather wait a year and 'roll the dice' on Dwight re-signing than trade him for anything other than as close a win trade as possible. Lowry|Bynum|FA'13 is an intriguing core, especially if we manage to use the MLE on Fran, keep JJ, and draft well, but lets be honest here, do we really think Bynum is ever going to be the best player on a champion? Here is the list as I see it:

Kareem, Bird, Moses, Magic, Isiah, Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Billups, Wade, Garnett, Kobe, and Dirk.

Bynum got that in him? Not to mention the names of secondary core pieces, which is also an exclusive club.

Bottom line is our best bet is with Howard. We need to sell our soul to get Nash and then try our darndest to trade for Ellis|Gay|Granger|Smoove|Iggy, or free up cap space by trading term deals for expiring contracts.

The above trade is nice as we'd be fortunate to tank and end up with two quality players like Bynum|Lowry in the lottery, but again we'd need to forfeit our chances at a sure thing in Dwight. I'd rather roll the dice with Dwight and if we come up snake eyes tank for a few years accumulating top picks, with a front office that actually knows how to draft. We could come out of it as the next OKC if we play our cards right.

I don't think the Lakers would do that trade eyriq. Anyways props to Zmill for the most realistic trade with the best possible return for the Magic ever proposed on this board. That Nolimit guy would crap his pants for this.

Were not going to trade Howard and get better, but this is the closest thing we could trade for to be where we were at. Crying that Bynum and Lowry won't win us anything is just dumb. Of course not right away. Where we were going anyway? We get worse every damn year. We have cap space in 2013 like everyone knows. One year of being first round fodder and meshing together then we have a chance to be better than we are now. Is that really that bad? Would you rather be the Wizards or something?

Boo boo bee boo i have to wait a year. Stop being so stubborn. IF Dwight doesn't sign that extension I'm jumping on this trade's bandwagon HARD.