Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI "Re-Building" Edition)

[Driguez]

Can somebody share this with MadMofoPimp? Maybe this will make him understand, if he doesn't perhaps medical attention is needed.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

[Def Swami]

Orlando Magic ‏@Orlando_Magic
Afflalo: "I plan to set a tone for what it takes to approach the game. I can help develop the right culture."

[Nyce_1]

Can somebody share this with MadMofoPimp? Maybe this will make him understand, if he doesn't perhaps medical attention is needed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

And this link too...http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... oward-act/

[TDJacksonville]

my name is BMP and the NBA is a Conspiracy.

[Def Swami]

So what will Orlando do with that hefty exception? Maybe nothing. At least not this year.

The Magic prior to the Howard trade were a luxury tax team. This deal got them a little breathing room under the tax line – roughly $6.2 million if you are keeping track at home, making adding a splashy player unlikely for a number of reasons.

First, the Magic are not going to be very good this year, that’s part of the rebuilding plan. The veteran players will likely get their shot at winning a few games early, but you can bet as soon as Orlando can move them for ending contracts or draft picks they will clean house.

Second, the Magic will try and fast track the young guys they have, meaning bringing in veterans who need touches and playing time likely doesn’t line up on the development side.

Orlando general manager Rob Hennigan has been preaching that the virtue of this deal is the flexibility it gives the team going forward. Unless some major asset falls their way, you can expect that this is the team Orlando brings to training camp and that the third point guard spot is not going to be a major player obtained with the TPE – rather someone they can get to come for very little guaranteed money.

The Magic may hold the largest traded player exception in the NBA, but don’t expect them to use it before camp opens as the plan here is a massive rebuild and that will start next summer after losing a ton of games this year.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-dont-b ... um=twitter

[SnuggLes__]

I was listening to the radio Wednesday morning, I think David Baumann's new show, and they were discussing predicting the Orlando magic season record next year.

I was really surprised by the calls and the texts he was getting. People thinking the magic could win 30,40, even 50 games with our roster lol...

I personally think we're at the bottom of the league with the squad as currently constructed. I can also easily name 9 squads better than us in the east...

How the hell do we win 40 or more games???

I think if we're lucky we'll be in the high 20s...


PS.. THERES NO WAY THOSE CALLERS WERE SERIOUS.. HAD TO BE TROLLING BAUMANN OR SOMETHING LOLOL

I think this team could be much better than people think on this board. 30 wins is certainly possible, maybe even more if some of the second and third year players bloom. I think some folks on this board will be surprised thtat the team doesn't completely suck as much as they are hoping for.

I'm not hoping to suck, but honestly I don't see how we won't.

I mean its easy to look at the heart in hustle squad & say hey they play hard and they won 40 but that was in a period were the east was significantly weaker than it is now. (Not saying the east still isn't weak but it's definitely stronger)

We have a new head Coach, new staff, new management
3 veteran players who have left their primes (Nelson Turk & harrington)
3 solid role players (jj, affalo, and big baby)
& a bunch of unprovens...

All these need to be molded together against squads such as Miami, Chicago, Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Indiana, Philly, & Atlanta... & Hell at this point cleveland, detroit, & Milwakee seem to be in a better shape/position than us.

Nvm that we play western conference squads...

I'd honestly be amazed if we pulled off 30 or more wins..

[Def Swami]

From Kyler's chat:

LA in LA
Also the worst part of the deal isn’t the lack of great picks (hard to get when trading with playoff teams) or cap space. It is that they might not be bad enough to get a top 5 pick with a starting 5 of Jameer-Afflalo-Turkoglu-Davis-whoever their center. Playing their rookies and Harkless alot would help.

Steve Kyler
I think the starting five at the start of the season won’t be the starting five at the end of the season. This also isn’t a great year to land the top overall pick. The guy you get at 3 through 8 might be the same player.

I think Shabazz Muhammad is likely the best of the bunch in 2013′s draft, although I think the appeal of Nerlens Noel is intriguing. He is far more raw than Dwight was coming out of high school, but if you look at this video of Nerlens:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggE9Xaw6n8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Hard to say they are not similar talents. Nerlens isn’t nearly as strong as Howard was, but he’ll have a year of quality coaching and development at Kentucky, so we’ll see.

I also think for Orlando you try and compete with what you have… drive up the trade value of your pieces and see if you have something special with hard working guys that pay together – if you don’t, you dump at the deadline.

[Def Swami]

If this is the team we start the season with, I'd expect some of our young guys, Harkless and Nicholson, to be buried on the bench.

[OrlandO]

[SnuggLes__]

From Kyler's chat:

LA in LA
Also the worst part of the deal isn’t the lack of great picks (hard to get when trading with playoff teams) or cap space. It is that they might not be bad enough to get a top 5 pick with a starting 5 of Jameer-Afflalo-Turkoglu-Davis-whoever their center. Playing their rookies and Harkless alot would help.

Steve Kyler
I think the starting five at the start of the season won’t be the starting five at the end of the season. This also isn’t a great year to land the top overall pick. The guy you get at 3 through 8 might be the same player.

I think Shabazz Muhammad is likely the best of the bunch in 2013′s draft, although I think the appeal of Nerlens Noel is intriguing. He is far more raw than Dwight was coming out of high school, but if you look at this video of Nerlens:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggE9Xaw6n8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Hard to say they are not similar talents. Nerlens isn’t nearly as strong as Howard was, but he’ll have a year of quality coaching and development at Kentucky, so we’ll see.

I also think for Orlando you try and compete with what you have… drive up the trade value of your pieces and see if you have something special with hard working guys that pay together – if you don’t, you dump at the deadline.

Easy to solve this problem in deciding..

We Get them Both

[SEBAS-07]

We need a fire sale, getting rid of veterans a priority.

[Def Swami]

From Kyler's chat:

LA in LA
Also the worst part of the deal isn’t the lack of great picks (hard to get when trading with playoff teams) or cap space. It is that they might not be bad enough to get a top 5 pick with a starting 5 of Jameer-Afflalo-Turkoglu-Davis-whoever their center. Playing their rookies and Harkless alot would help.

Steve Kyler
I think the starting five at the start of the season won’t be the starting five at the end of the season. This also isn’t a great year to land the top overall pick. The guy you get at 3 through 8 might be the same player.

I think Shabazz Muhammad is likely the best of the bunch in 2013′s draft, although I think the appeal of Nerlens Noel is intriguing. He is far more raw than Dwight was coming out of high school, but if you look at this video of Nerlens:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggE9Xaw6n8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Hard to say they are not similar talents. Nerlens isn’t nearly as strong as Howard was, but he’ll have a year of quality coaching and development at Kentucky, so we’ll see.

I also think for Orlando you try and compete with what you have… drive up the trade value of your pieces and see if you have something special with hard working guys that pay together – if you don’t, you dump at the deadline.

Easy to solve this problem in deciding..

We Get them Both

That's what I want us to do. I want us to be able to get 2 lottery picks this year. If we can get 2 players that we like, that's awesome and expedites the rebuilding. We'll have one from sucking and hopefully we can acquire another with our assets.

If we only like one guy, then we still have a major trade asset.

[BadMofoPimp]

there is an oklahoma city model. let's compare oklahoma city to orlando for it to become apparent.

the magic offered rashard lewis $124 million dollars. the sonics knew he wasn't worth that, so they let him walk. whereas, nobody offered jameer nelson any money, so the magic gave him a $25 million dollar contract. the cap space flexibility the sonics gained by not matching lewis' contract allowed them to acquire two first round picks from the suns in the kurt thomas trade. so, part one - fiscal responsibility.

the sonics then traded their best player, ray allen, to the boston celtics in return for the #5 pick in the draft. sure, jeff green didn't pan out like durant, westbrook, harden, or ibaka did, but he was later moved to acquire perkins, who has proven valuable. but more importantly, acquiring the #5 pick gave the sonics a chance to acquire another all-star early in the draft. meanwhile, the magic traded dwight howard, a better player than ray allen, for aaron aflallo and moe harkless. no top draft talent - moe harkless. while moe harkless has the potential to be a solid role player, he has nowhere near the potential of a top five pick, as proven by the fact that both the cavaliers and kings, notorious "what are they thinking?" drafters, passed on him with their top five picks in this draft. so, part two - make intelligent trades.

finally, bennett wanted to move the sonics to oklahoma city. so the tank began while the thunder were the sonics in seattle. thus, seattle was forced to watch terrible basketball, lowering attendance, which in turn helped partially justify the move. meanwhile, oklahoma city got to avoid watching the sonics have the worst record in the league. meanwhile, orlando has no intentions of moving. Magic fans are just stuck watching years of bad basketball with the hope of lucking out in the draft, as management has shown no signs of fiscal responsibility or intelligence when trading. so, part three - screw over one city in order to appease another.

True, it is a sad state of affairs here in Orlando. Poor management will do that.

I am not looking forward to hoping to luck out in the draft for years upon years to possibly decades.

[OrlandO]

Anyone post this yet? Afflalo's presser http://www.nba.com/magic/video/press-co ... alo_081612

[Nyce_1]

Y! Podcast with Sam Amick about Rob Hennigan

http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/nba/sam ... gan-31958/

[UCFJayBird]

there is an oklahoma city model. let's compare oklahoma city to orlando for it to become apparent.

the magic offered rashard lewis $124 million dollars. the sonics knew he wasn't worth that, so they let him walk. whereas, nobody offered jameer nelson any money, so the magic gave him a $25 million dollar contract. the cap space flexibility the sonics gained by not matching lewis' contract allowed them to acquire two first round picks from the suns in the kurt thomas trade. so, part one - fiscal responsibility.

the sonics then traded their best player, ray allen, to the boston celtics in return for the #5 pick in the draft. sure, jeff green didn't pan out like durant, westbrook, harden, or ibaka did, but he was later moved to acquire perkins, who has proven valuable. but more importantly, acquiring the #5 pick gave the sonics a chance to acquire another all-star early in the draft. meanwhile, the magic traded dwight howard, a better player than ray allen, for aaron aflallo and moe harkless. no top draft talent - moe harkless. while moe harkless has the potential to be a solid role player, he has nowhere near the potential of a top five pick, as proven by the fact that both the cavaliers and kings, notorious "what are they thinking?" drafters, passed on him with their top five picks in this draft. so, part two - make intelligent trades.

finally, bennett wanted to move the sonics to oklahoma city. so the tank began while the thunder were the sonics in seattle. thus, seattle was forced to watch terrible basketball, lowering attendance, which in turn helped partially justify the move. meanwhile, oklahoma city got to avoid watching the sonics have the worst record in the league. meanwhile, orlando has no intentions of moving. Magic fans are just stuck watching years of bad basketball with the hope of lucking out in the draft, as management has shown no signs of fiscal responsibility or intelligence when trading. so, part three - screw over one city in order to appease another.

True, it is a sad state of affairs here in Orlando. Poor management will do that.

I am not looking forward to hoping to luck out in the draft for years upon years to possibly decades.

So let me get this straight. Magic fans complain for years about not spending the money necessary to get quality players next to T-Mac. Once Dwight Howard comes, Magic management gives the GM a greenlight to spend as much as necessary to win. The Magic go on to have a top 5 payroll for years, and now they're deemed "fiscally irresponsible" because the GM made bad moves with the money.

[BelgianMagic]

True, it is a sad state of affairs here in Orlando. Poor management will do that.

I am not looking forward to hoping to luck out in the draft for years upon years to possibly decades.

Has Hennigan ever had any issues with someone in your family?

Just asking ..

[MitchellUK]

there is an oklahoma city model. let's compare oklahoma city to orlando for it to become apparent.

the magic offered rashard lewis $124 million dollars. the sonics knew he wasn't worth that, so they let him walk. whereas, nobody offered jameer nelson any money, so the magic gave him a $25 million dollar contract. the cap space flexibility the sonics gained by not matching lewis' contract allowed them to acquire two first round picks from the suns in the kurt thomas trade. so, part one - fiscal responsibility.

the sonics then traded their best player, ray allen, to the boston celtics in return for the #5 pick in the draft. sure, jeff green didn't pan out like durant, westbrook, harden, or ibaka did, but he was later moved to acquire perkins, who has proven valuable. but more importantly, acquiring the #5 pick gave the sonics a chance to acquire another all-star early in the draft. meanwhile, the magic traded dwight howard, a better player than ray allen, for aaron aflallo and moe harkless. no top draft talent - moe harkless. while moe harkless has the potential to be a solid role player, he has nowhere near the potential of a top five pick, as proven by the fact that both the cavaliers and kings, notorious "what are they thinking?" drafters, passed on him with their top five picks in this draft. so, part two - make intelligent trades.

finally, bennett wanted to move the sonics to oklahoma city. so the tank began while the thunder were the sonics in seattle. thus, seattle was forced to watch terrible basketball, lowering attendance, which in turn helped partially justify the move. meanwhile, oklahoma city got to avoid watching the sonics have the worst record in the league. meanwhile, orlando has no intentions of moving. Magic fans are just stuck watching years of bad basketball with the hope of lucking out in the draft, as management has shown no signs of fiscal responsibility or intelligence when trading. so, part three - screw over one city in order to appease another.

True, it is a sad state of affairs here in Orlando. Poor management will do that.

I am not looking forward to hoping to luck out in the draft for years upon years to possibly decades.

I don't see the comparison between Seattle letting Shard walk and the Magic offering Jameer an extension. Hows about we consider OKC using front loading and a signing bonus to pay Nick Collison $25m over four years when looking for a comparison with the Jameer re-signing. Why did they do that? To have a positive veteran presence alongside all of the guys they have on rookie deals.

Now the trade. So it's completely fair to overstate the success of that Jeff Green trade? Seattle (OKC) traded Ray Allen and Glen Davis for Jeff Green (who became no more than a decent starter and who was traded for Kendrick Perkins, no more than a decent starter), a future second round pick, Delonte West and Wally Szcerbiak (13ppg on nearly $13m salary in Seattle), before West and Wally were later moved to Cleveland for those legends Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble and Adrian Griffin. Your actually going to say/agree with a straight face that Seattle(OKC) got a really good deal there?

I'll ignore the last part, since OKC got to see plenty of subpar basketball during their 23-59 season the first year the team arrived in town, and the post you're agreeing with is judging the fiscal responsibility and future drafts of a front office that has only been in place for a couple of months.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL PEOPLE CALM DOWN AND GIVE THE NEW DIRECTION THIS ORGANISATION IS MOVING IN SOME TIME.

[tiderulz]

I was listening to the radio Wednesday morning, I think David Baumann's new show, and they were discussing predicting the Orlando magic season record next year.

I was really surprised by the calls and the texts he was getting. People thinking the magic could win 30,40, even 50 games with our roster lol...

I personally think we're at the bottom of the league with the squad as currently constructed. I can also easily name 9 squads better than us in the east...

How the hell do we win 40 or more games???

I think if we're lucky we'll be in the high 20s...


PS.. THERES NO WAY THOSE CALLERS WERE SERIOUS.. HAD TO BE TROLLING BAUMANN OR SOMETHING LOLOL

I think this team could be much better than people think on this board. 30 wins is certainly possible, maybe even more if some of the second and third year players bloom. I think some folks on this board will be surprised thtat the team doesn't completely suck as much as they are hoping for.

who are these mysterious 2nd and 3rd year players you are thinking of? Harper and Liggins are not currently on the team.

[Nyce_1]

I was listening to the radio Wednesday morning, I think David Baumann's new show, and they were discussing predicting the Orlando magic season record next year.

I was really surprised by the calls and the texts he was getting. People thinking the magic could win 30,40, even 50 games with our roster lol...

I personally think we're at the bottom of the league with the squad as currently constructed. I can also easily name 9 squads better than us in the east...

How the hell do we win 40 or more games???

I think if we're lucky we'll be in the high 20s...


PS.. THERES NO WAY THOSE CALLERS WERE SERIOUS.. HAD TO BE TROLLING BAUMANN OR SOMETHING LOLOL

I think this team could be much better than people think on this board. 30 wins is certainly possible, maybe even more if some of the second and third year players bloom. I think some folks on this board will be surprised thtat the team doesn't completely suck as much as they are hoping for.

who are these mysterious 2nd and 3rd year players you are thinking of? Harper and Liggins are not currently on the team.

Harper is.