Why I have settled on Dante Exum...

[bigdogdylan5]

in before BMP goes on a rant about exum

I love how he compares him to Reece Gaines with no proof at all except they are the same height

[OrlandO]

so what's all this I keep reading about exum and his intent on getting to the lakers? is that real or no?

I think people are really blowing this out of proportion. He was asked in a interview what NBA teams he would want to play for and he said the Lakers and the second team he said was the Magic. The reasoning he said was that him and Oladipo have a great relationship ever since he visited IU for a possible college recruit. The laker fans and national media took this and spun it to be like a Kobe Bryant situation. I will not be concerned until we hear if he starts refusing workouts to anyone except LA.

It's something to keep an eye on. He seems to really want to go to LA. It wasn't just one interview either. He's mentioned the Lakers in multiple interviews and how he wants to get close to Kobe and pick his brain. You can only do that if you're his teammate. He even signed with Kobe's agent and attended a Lakers game the other day. There are a number of ways he can dissuade teams from picking him to make sure he drops to the Lakers. Then again, with how bad the Lakers are, they will probably finish worse than us and be able to pick him anyway... if they value him that much, of course.

[thelead]

oh and if we draft exum, you better believe he is playing pg. we will not forcibly put the ball in oladipo's hands just because he's shorter than exum, Exum's playmaking and bbiq are lightyears above oladipo, and whether he fits there or not you put the ball in that player's hands.

I think he plays more like a sg from the games I've seen. Kinda hard to judge him as a pg when he's either playing against inferior competition (in HS) or when he's playing with unfamiliar teammates (Hoop Summit).

[Devin 1L]

I reserve right to change my mind until right before the draft

Last year, I was fully on the McLemore bandwagon until I found out he was a year older than other freshmen (which wasn't until around February or March). Oladipo was # 5 on my board until about two or three weeks before the draft. Then I switch him up to my #1 guy if we thought he could play pg.

I get the feeling I'll be doing the same if we don't land the #1 pick (or if Embiid doesn't declare )

same with me and shabazz, him being a year older than everyone thought makes a huge difference in perception he basically dominated high school prospects because he was older and more physically mature

oladipo was a year older than everyone and that didnt stop us from taking him. when you are talking about college freshman, the point of talking about age difference is stupid because it is a year difference at the most.

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

[The Effect]

If we draft Exum, he would just become another Orlando Magic Superstar to leave and force his way to the Lakers

[Orlwillbeback]

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

[Orlwillbeback]

oh and if we draft exum, you better believe he is playing pg. we will not forcibly put the ball in oladipo's hands just because he's shorter than exum, Exum's playmaking and bbiq are lightyears above oladipo, and whether he fits there or not you put the ball in that player's hands.

I think he plays more like a sg from the games I've seen. Kinda hard to judge him as a pg when he's either playing against inferior competition (in HS) or when he's playing with unfamiliar teammates (Hoop Summit).

oladipo is a sg who is playing pg tho

[thelead]

oh and if we draft exum, you better believe he is playing pg. we will not forcibly put the ball in oladipo's hands just because he's shorter than exum, Exum's playmaking and bbiq are lightyears above oladipo, and whether he fits there or not you put the ball in that player's hands.

I think he plays more like a sg from the games I've seen. Kinda hard to judge him as a pg when he's either playing against inferior competition (in HS) or when he's playing with unfamiliar teammates (Hoop Summit).

oladipo is a sg who is playing pg tho

True but I liked is skillset as a pg before the draft. I like the little that I see of Exum but I do as a sg. Nothing wrong with that as I do think he can definitely handle the rock and make the right pass. It could be a lethal combo with Oladipo. Either way, I want to see more before I can move him up my board (he's 4th or 5th right now).

[Devin 1L]

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

I'm not really agreeing nor disagreeing with you in terms of taking the best player.

But, in terms of taking the best player, what we perceive as the best player is largely relative to how old we think they are. In the end, the name of the game is projecting what a player will become. It's why Andrew Wiggins' projection is drastically different if we were to find out that he's 23.

[thelead]

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

We agree with what you're saying but you're missing the point.

This is the point we're making: age comes into play when evaluating potential growth and current talent level. Do you take a raw 23 year old over a raw 18 year old? No. Would you take a raw 18 year old over a more complete 23 year old? Depends but it happens more often then not in the NBA draft.

[Orlwillbeback]

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

I'm not really agreeing nor disagreeing with you in terms of taking the best player.

But, in terms of taking the best player, what we perceive as the best player is largely relative to how old we think they are. In the end, the name of the game is projecting what a player will become. It's why Andrew Wiggins' projection is drastically different if we were to find out that he's 23.

there is not a whole big defference between a player who is 21 and one who is 19. You take the best player. we took nicholson over sullinger because we thought he was better, not because he was younger.

[Orlwillbeback]

Oladipo was a junior.

I also thought the Shabazz age thing was a huge deal. Not just the age, but the circumstances -- the fact that he lied and even when caught wouldn't own up to it.

But, in any event, just on the age, it matters a lot at the HS level. Obviously the older you get the less a year in separation matters, but he played his entire HS (which is where all his hype was derived) as a year older than everyone thought he was. For perspective, for all of you athletes who played HS sports, imagine coming back for another year after you graduated. Yeah, just let that soak in for a minute.

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

We agree with what you're saying but you're missing the point.

This is the point we're making: age comes into play when evaluating potential growth and current talent level. Do you take a raw 23 year old over a raw 18 year old? No. Would you take a raw 18 year old over a more complete 23 year old? Depends but it happens more often then not in the NBA draft.

no. you take the best player. it doesnt matter if they are raw or not. Harkless was raw doesnt make him worse than guys who were taken after him.

[Devin 1L]

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

I'm not really agreeing nor disagreeing with you in terms of taking the best player.

But, in terms of taking the best player, what we perceive as the best player is largely relative to how old we think they are. In the end, the name of the game is projecting what a player will become. It's why Andrew Wiggins' projection is drastically different if we were to find out that he's 23.

there is not a whole big defference between a player who is 21 and one who is 19. You take the best player. we took nicholson over sullinger because we thought he was better, not because he was younger.

You literally just said:

"iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent."

[thelead]

iam not talking about shabazz muhammad Iam talking about all draftees who are between 19-23 years old. You take the best player and as long as theyre not 27 you take the best talent. when they are that young it is not that big of a deal.

We agree with what you're saying but you're missing the point.

This is the point we're making: age comes into play when evaluating potential growth and current talent level. Do you take a raw 23 year old over a raw 18 year old? No. Would you take a raw 18 year old over a more complete 23 year old? Depends but it happens more often then not in the NBA draft.

no. you take the best player. it doesnt matter if they are raw or not. Harkless was raw doesnt make him worse than guys who were taken after him.

I don't even know how to respond when you missed the point again.

[Orlwillbeback]

i dont get what point you're trying to make, or if you made one at all. My point still stands.

[Orlwillbeback]

I don't even know how to respond when you missed the point again.

no you dont get it.

There is a difference between seeing potential and just a lack of talent. wiggins is a nice prospect but by no means is he a franchise changer nor star at all. He will be a solid starter in the league. Teams drafted al faroque aminu because they thought he had potential, but they were deluding themselves and didnt believe their eyes. if a player is good, they will always be good doesnt matter how old they are.

[thelead]

i dont get what point you're trying to make, or if you made one at all. My point still stands.

Okay... let's try this again.

Here are two potential draftees:

Draftee A:
18 years old SF, raw, you rate him a 90 on a 100 point scale (takes shooting, dribbling, athleticism, etc into account)

Draftee B:
23 years old SF, raw, you rate him a 90 on a 100 point scale (takes shooting, dribbling, athleticism, etc into account)

Who do you draft?

[Orlwillbeback]

i dont get what point you're trying to make, or if you made one at all. My point still stands.

Okay... let's try this again.

Here are two potential draftees:

Draftee A:
18 years old SF, raw, you rate him a 90 on a 100 point scale (takes shooting, dribbling, athleticism, etc into account)

Draftee B:
23 years old SF, raw, you rate him a 90 on a 100 point scale (takes shooting, dribbling, athleticism, etc into account)

Who do you draft?

all things held equal you take the younger prospect of course, but this is hardly the case here. There is clear separation between the 1st second third and fourth prospects in my eyes and they are all basically the same age

[Def Swami]

so what's all this I keep reading about exum and his intent on getting to the lakers? is that real or no?

I think people are really blowing this out of proportion. He was asked in a interview what NBA teams he would want to play for and he said the Lakers and the second team he said was the Magic. The reasoning he said was that him and Oladipo have a great relationship ever since he visited IU for a possible college recruit. The laker fans and national media took this and spun it to be like a Kobe Bryant situation. I will not be concerned until we hear if he starts refusing workouts to anyone except LA.

More writing on the wall than that.

We are still a long way from the NBA draft—just about four months, in fact—but already, questions have arisen about the intentions of star Australian guard Dante Exum. Already, Exum has acknowledged that he is a fan of Kobe Bryant, and signed with agent Rob Pelinka, who also represents Bryant. And Exum has said he’d love to play in Los Angeles.

But would Exum go so far as to try to angle his way onto the Lakers, who currently have the fifth-worst record in the NBA? That’s the concern among some front-office executives around the league.

“When you hear some of what he says, it does make you wonder how the process is going to go as far as workouts and that sort of thing,” one general manager told Sporting News. “We have seen this story before, of course. I am not sure a player can have that kind of control, though.”

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... ius-randle

[Orlwillbeback]

i really hope we are not bad enough to draft one of the good big men in the next years draft