Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014)

magicman123 · Post #21 » by **magicman123** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:41 pm

Hilltop wrote:I love this for the Raptors. First they got Lowry back and now Masai got Patterson as well. Solid deals for each player as well.

At least we're done with the rumors now.

Both are great deals for Toronto, nicely done

Optimus_Steel · Post #22 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:43 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

I think Dipo and Fournier will start at PG and SG. I see Dipo bringing the ball up court and handing off to Fournier so that he can start facilitating offense. Both should handle the ball a lot.

doct3r dr3 · Post #23 » by **doct3r dr3** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:43 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

gratia333 · Post #24 » by **gratia333** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:52 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

I think Nick might be on the way out...

Melvinlocker · Post #25 » by **Melvinlocker** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:55 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

I think Dipo and Fournier will start at PG and SG. I see Dipo bringing the ball up court and handing off to Fournier so that he can start facilitating offense. Both should handle the ball a lot.

This is exactly how I see it Optimus.

I think we just need one more rotation big who can pick and pop out to the 3pt range. Since we have so many slashers, I think we need to open up the floor a bit more for guys like Dipo and Elfrid. Aaron Gordon might become that guy if he improves his jumper, but in the meantime we should sign a cheap stopgap to provide the spacing our guard need.

Melvinlocker · Post #26 » by **Melvinlocker** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:59 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

You're absolutely right.

We should take the risk on Fournier being a starting guard with Dipo. They are both versatile and complement each other well. He is gonna be a key component to our teams success IMO.

Optimus_Steel · Post #27 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:02 pm

Melvinlocker wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Dodged a bullet there on Patterson. I feel so much better now.

Fournier/Payton
Oladipo/B. Gordon/Marble
Harris/Harkless
KOQ/Gordon
Vucevic/Dedmond

I'm torn on KOQ and Gordon, I just don't know how good Gordon is, I know what KOQ will bring. That's the roster spot I could see changing depending on how Gordon battles.

Anyone else feel comfortable with Fournier at the point to open the season? He seems to be a hybrid type of player. I could see him and Oladipo running the offense to begin the season. Oladipo at this point is the most experienced PG on our team with our offense, so he might be running the show a bit like he did last year, off and on, along with Fournier. They could switch assignments on offense/defense depending on matchups. I think we need to take a risk on Fournier and give him 30 mpg to see what he's got.

I think Dipo and Fournier will start at PG and SG. I see Dipo bringing the ball up court and handing off to Fournier so that he can start facilitating offense. Both should handle the ball a lot.

This is exactly how I see it Optimus.

I think we just need one more rotation big who can pick and pop out to the 3pt range. Since we have so many slashers, I think we need to open up the floor a bit more for guys like Dipo and Elfrid. Aaron Gordon might become that guy if he improves his jumper, but in the meantime we should sign a cheap stopgap to provide the spacing our guard need.

Nicholson is a pick and pop PF.

Melvinlocker · Post #28 » by **Melvinlocker** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:09 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
Melvinlocker wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
I think Dipo and Fournier will start at PG and SG. I see Dipo bringing the ball up court and handing off to Fournier so that he can start facilitating offense. Both should handle the ball a lot.

This is exactly how I see it Optimus.

I think we just need one more rotation big who can pick and pop out to the 3pt range. Since we have so many slashers, I think we need to open up the floor a bit more for guys like Dipo and Elfrid. Aaron Gordon might become that guy if he improves his jumper, but in the meantime we should sign a cheap stopgap to provide the spacing our guard need.

Nicholson is a pick and pop PF.

He wasn't a very good one.

The efficiency he had last year was terrible. He is one year younger than Booker and Mike Scott who did what we wish Nicholson would do here. Maybe Vaughn was intentionally keeping Nicholson from playing well but who knows. He is pretty bad at guarding post ups or quick face up fours and he isn't really suited for the uptempo game that we want to play. I hope I am wrong about him, but I don't think that I am in this case.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #29 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:15 pm

at people thinking Fournier is starting at PG

We are definitely signing another PG

Dipo/Green/BG are all combo guards and could play both positions easily

Payton/FA (Curry ?)/Green
Dipo/Fournier/BG
Harris/Harkless/Fournier
Gordon/Nicholson/
Vuc/OQuinn/Dedmon

12 players are guaranteed and 13 players is the minimum

I say we sign a PG most likely Curry and a PF and send Marble to our D-League team

orlando1214 · Post #30 » by **orlando1214** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:29 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote::lol: at people thinking Fournier is starting at PG

We are definitely signing another PG

Dipo/Green/BG are all combo guards and could play both positions easily

Payton/FA (Curry ?)/Green
Dipo/Fournier/BG
Harris/Harkless/Fournier
Gordon/Nicholson/
Vuc/OQuinn/Dedmon

12 players are guaranteed and 13 players is the minimum

I say we sign a PG most likely Curry and a PF and send Marble to our D-League team

I think Oladipo starts at Point Guard at the beginning of the season, but I don't see what's funny about the idea of Fournier starting at Point Guard. It would not surprise me one bit if he got some time there. I also think he'd do a better job than Gordon or Green at Point. He's a very underrated ball handler. Actually he's the reason why I expect Dipo to start at Point Guar early on, because we'll have a very capable ball handler starting with him. My depth chart for the start of the year is:

Dipo/Payton/Curry?
Fournier/Gordon/Green/Marble
Harris/Harkless
Gordon/FA/Nicholson
Vuc/KO/Dedmon

Then I think we send Marble, and maybe Curry if we sign him, up to Erie.

cedric76 · Post #31 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:29 pm

Dipo will start at pg, backed up by EP
Fournier will start at sg

Melvinlocker · Post #32 » by **Melvinlocker** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:31 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote::lol: at people thinking Fournier is starting at PG

We are definitely signing another PG

Dipo/Green/BG are all combo guards and could play both positions easily

Payton/FA (Curry ?)/Green
Dipo/Fournier/BG
Harris/Harkless/Fournier
Gordon/Nicholson/
Vuc/OQuinn/Dedmon

12 players are guaranteed and 13 players is the minimum

I say we sign a PG most likely Curry and a PF and send Marble to our D-League team

Just speaking for me here, but I think that we will start Dipo at the 1 and have Fournier at the 2. I think we run the double combo guard lineup that is becoming so en vogue nowadays. As Elfrid gets better, he may supplant one of them, but for the time being I think he will be a spark plug with Gordon off the bench. The only significant concern I have about our guard unit is turnover rate.

cedric76 · Post #33 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:45 pm

We 'll defend, run and gun

I can't wait

doct3r dr3 · Post #34 » by **doct3r dr3** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:49 pm

gratia333 wrote:
doct3r dr3 wrote:

I think Nick might be on the way out...

Not sure who people expect to pick up the 3-pt shooting slack, especially if folks figure B. Gordon won't play.

A. Afflalo --> E. Fournier
J. Nelson --> .... ??? (B. Gordon/A. Nicholson)

I see Nicholson's floor spacing from the PF position as a critical piece of the offense with all the slashing guards and wings we have -- Dipo, Elfrid, A. Gordon, Tobes... I almost feel as if the strides AN showed with that 3-pt shot this year empowered Henny & Co. to feel like they could afford to draft two guys who can't really shoot.

Post #35 » by **eyriq** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:56 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:
gratia333 wrote:
doct3r dr3 wrote:

I think Nick might be on the way out...

Not sure who people expect to pick up the 3-pt shooting slack, especially if folks figure B. Gordon won't play.

A. Afflalo --> E. Fournier
J. Nelson --> .... ??? (B. Gordon/A. Nicholson)

I see Nicholson's floor spacing from the PF position as a critical piece of the offense with all the slashing guards and wings we have -- Dipo, Elfrid, A. Gordon, Tobes... I almost feel as if the strides AN showed with that 3-pt shot this year empowered Henny & Co. to feel like they could afford to draft two guys who can't really shoot.

Orlwillbeback · Post #36 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:04 pm

Nicholson tries to spread the floor, it just doesnt work. He is a pick and pop guy and post up guy offensively. The 3 pt experiment failed.

gratia333 · Post #37 » by **gratia333** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:10 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:
gratia333 wrote:
doct3r dr3 wrote:

I think Nick might be on the way out...

Not sure who people expect to pick up the 3-pt shooting slack, especially if folks figure B. Gordon won't play.

A. Afflalo --> E. Fournier
J. Nelson --> .... ??? (B. Gordon/A. Nicholson)

I see Nicholson's floor spacing from the PF position as a critical piece of the offense with all the slashing guards and wings we have -- Dipo, Elfrid, A. Gordon, Tobes... I almost feel as if the strides AN showed with that 3-pt shot this year empowered Henny & Co. to feel like they could afford to draft two guys who can't really shoot.

His shooting has been overrated. Barely shot I've 30% from 3pt last year.
Fournier, hark,Harris, are all much better.

Skin · Post #38 » by **Skin** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:14 pm

I'm also happy we didn't get Patterson. That one left me confusing.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #39 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:59 pm

Damn, I kinda liked the idea of Patterson in Orlando

Melvinlocker · Post #40 » by **Melvinlocker** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:07 pm

Skin wrote:I'm also happy we didn't get Patterson. That one left me confusing.

Getting someone who could space the floor out to the 3pt line at the four is almost a necessity if we are going to run the double point guard system with slashers like Dipo or Payton. PPat would have been perfect as a stretch four running pick and pop while being a good compliment to the power game of either Tobias and Aaron Gordon.

He was going to be overpriced from the looks of things which is why we probably didn't try to pick him up. There are other options out there that I bet Henny is actively pursuing. The caveat is the guys we target need to be better than Nicholson in order to make a it worthwhile.