Most overrated superstar in NBA history

[RickB-Orlando]

Gotta disagree about Stockton. He should get more credit for his endurance and longevity. Dude played 19 seasons, and in 13 of those he didn't miss a single game. He averaged 79 games a year for 19 years. Think about how rare that is these days. He also shot over 50%, including 38% from 3 for his career (granted he wasn't taking a ton, but that was the era). Sure, it helped that he had Karl Malone, any time a PG has a dominant big man his assist numbers are going to go up (as opposed to a Jordan who goes and gets many of his own shots). But his numbers are outrageous for good reason, dude was a beast.

Also Stockton definitely favored his right hand, but it's not like opposing defenses didn't know that. He was a master at baiting people into thinking he was going left (because he could) and then coming back right when your momentum was carrying you and you couldn't respond quickly enough. He was certainly capable of going left though.

So much This. Stockton is likely the most *underrated* superstar in NBA history.

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Carmelo, Vince Carter, Steve Francis
Unpopular opinion - Allen Iverson

Still think that in that generation of stars nobody choked worst than T mac.
Iverson had legit amazing , historic 2001 run, Carter few times was close ( including 2001 ), Francis stardom lasted for breath second, don't view him as superstar... T mac... 7 freaking first round exits in 7 attemps. I'll never get over it especially after JVG called him lazy and said that if it took 10 000 hours of workouts to be hall of famer, T mac did 1000 ...

I agree with Tmac as well. All of them really IMO. Switch Tmac with Francis. I still view Iverson as vastly overrated for what he accomplished in his career compared to the amount of praise he got and the lists people still put him on.

[PrimeThyme]

It’s hard for me to even say Melo because not for one moment in his career did I ever consider him a superstar. He’s one of the least impactful stars of all time.

His entire career he has been a complete liability on defense (-1.5 dbpm for his career). He is also truly one of the most overhyped offensive players of all time. He’s always been a black hole on offense and has never made a superstar level impact on that end (only a 2.0 obpm for his career).

In comparison, Tracy was never the greatest defender, but, he still has a positive dbpm for his career even despite the last 4 down years of his career bringing it down, and was never near the liability Melo was. He’s also so much better offensively it’s not even funny. He truly is one of the best offensive players of al time. During his peak years, 02-03 for instance, he had a 9.8 obpm and 13.2 OWS. Which is insanely good (just for perspective Lebrons highest obpm for a season in his career is a 9.7). That 3 year stretch he had in Orlando was truly incredible and Melo could never dream of impacting the game the same way offensively.

Melo in his prime was flashy and could put up points but has never qualified as a superstar in my book and was always severely overrated.

[pepe1991]

It’s hard for me to even say Melo because not for one moment in his career did I ever consider him a superstar. He’s one of the least impactful stars of all time.

His entire career he has been a complete liability on defense (-1.5 dbpm for his career). He is also truly one of the most overhyped offensive players of all time. He’s always been a black hole on offense and has never made a superstar level impact on that end (only a 2.0 obpm for his career).

In comparison, Tracy was never the greatest defender, but, he still has a positive dbpm for his career even despite the last 4 down years of his career bringing it down, and was never near the liability Melo was. He’s also so much better offensively it’s not even funny. He truly is one of the best offensive players of al time. During his peak years, 02-03 for instance, he had a 9.8 obpm and 13.2 OWS. Which is insanely good (just for perspective Lebrons highest obpm for a season in his career is a 9.7). That 3 year stretch he had in Orlando was truly incredible and Melo could never dream of impacting the game the same way offensively.

Melo in his prime was flashy and could put up points but has never qualified as a superstar in my book and was always severely overrated.

They are pretty similar.
Melo actually has higher FG% , 3 %, FT% ,TS%, eFG%, same offensive rating.
T mac had one crazy individiual year for Magic, 2002-03, that translated into bearly playoff team (42-40, 8# seed ) Averaged 36 ppg in first 4 games vs Detroit on + 50% FG, than Prince startet guarding him and he averaged 25 ppg on i think 35% FG and 25% for 3 for rest of the series.
In general one year T mac lead whole league in FGA missed 915 on 1566 attemps ( last season with Magic )

Than, much like what happend to Melo - led Knicks, whole team flamed out with 19-36 record next year before he left ( Melo led knicks 54 wins in 2013, 17 wins in 2015 ).
In general there is no secret that T mac was way more talented than Melo but he choked and failed more offten than Melo and never had any playoff success.
Even when he got allstar help in Houston, he still couldn't overcome first rounds. Ever. In retrospective, there was no excuse for 2002 exit vs Hornets without their leading scorer, where Baron Davis shot 38% FG and yet they still beat Tracy who took it on his teammates in media.

Both of them are products of "no efficiency" era where we got guys like Kobe, Iverson, J. O''neal, Sprewell, Francis, Marbury,Stackhosue, A. Walker, FInley, Glenn Robinson,Jamal Mashburn , Allen Houston any many other felt like they are right guys to jack 20 FGA a night. Era where Jerry Stackhouse had season where he missed 1200 of 1900 shots and was selected to allstar game

[Xatticus]

Carmelo Anthony. 10 All-Star game appearances and 6 All-NBA selections for a 1.0 career BPM player is dumbfounding.

Kobe Bryant. He was a really good player, but he has no business being in a conversation about all-time greats.

Pete Maravich. His legend status is more about style than substance.

Isiah Thomas. He was a nice player, but he was really just a cog on those Pistons championship teams as opposed to being the standard-bearer. 12 All-Star and 5 All-NBA selections?

McGrady is pretty obviously overrated on this board as a lot of current fans grew up idolizing him, but I don't think the general consensus on his accomplishments exceeds his actual performance. He was a really talented player whose window of excellence was relatively brief.

[craig01]

Carmelo Anthony would certainly be near the top of my list.

John Stockton was not overrated and should not be anywhere near this list. The accolades he received weren't just coming at the end of his career, but DURING his career. You had to see him play.

[UCFJayBird]

Carmelo Anthony. 10 All-Star game appearances and 6 All-NBA selections for a 1.0 career BPM player is dumbfounding.

Kobe Bryant. He was a really good player, but he has no business being in a conversation about all-time greats.

Pete Maravich. His legend status is more about style than substance.

Isiah Thomas. He was a nice player, but he was really just a cog on those Pistons championship teams as opposed to being the standard-bearer. 12 All-Star and 5 All-NBA selections?

McGrady is pretty obviously overrated on this board as a lot of current fans grew up idolizing him, but I don't think the general consensus on his accomplishments exceeds his actual performance. He was a really talented player whose window of excellence was relatively brief.

I've always found it kind of strange how McGrady is remembered here. I think people remember him more fondly because he had very little help, and was hamstrung by the Grant Hill situation. He was only here 4 years, but people talk about him like he was here for 10. His tenure here ended pretty poorly with demanding a trade just as we were drafting Dwight, who was here 8 years and is still crucified for the way he left (maybe more because he had a good team and still wanted out).

Patrick Ewing

Having grown up a Knicks fan largely in the Ewing era, I can't agree with that. He was dominant for a long time, just had the misfortune of playing the same time as Jordan and Olajuwon.

If he was playing today, we'd all be talking about how a dominant center was still a must.

Fair enough. I still think he benefited a bit from just being the face of NYK for so long. I think he's a great player, I just don't know if I would rank him as high all-time as i've seen in various rankings over the years.

[PrimeThyme]

It’s hard for me to even say Melo because not for one moment in his career did I ever consider him a superstar. He’s one of the least impactful stars of all time.

His entire career he has been a complete liability on defense (-1.5 dbpm for his career). He is also truly one of the most overhyped offensive players of all time. He’s always been a black hole on offense and has never made a superstar level impact on that end (only a 2.0 obpm for his career).

In comparison, Tracy was never the greatest defender, but, he still has a positive dbpm for his career even despite the last 4 down years of his career bringing it down, and was never near the liability Melo was. He’s also so much better offensively it’s not even funny. He truly is one of the best offensive players of al time. During his peak years, 02-03 for instance, he had a 9.8 obpm and 13.2 OWS. Which is insanely good (just for perspective Lebrons highest obpm for a season in his career is a 9.7). That 3 year stretch he had in Orlando was truly incredible and Melo could never dream of impacting the game the same way offensively.

Melo in his prime was flashy and could put up points but has never qualified as a superstar in my book and was always severely overrated.

They are pretty similar.
Melo actually has higher FG% , 3 %, FT% ,TS%, eFG%, same offensive rating.
T mac had one crazy individiual year for Magic, 2002-03, that translated into bearly playoff team (42-40, 8# seed ) Averaged 36 ppg in first 4 games vs Detroit on + 50% FG, than Prince startet guarding him and he averaged 25 ppg on i think 35% FG and 25% for 3 for rest of the series.
In general one year T mac lead whole league in FGA missed 915 on 1566 attemps ( last season with Magic )

Than, much like what happend to Melo - led Knicks, whole team flamed out with 19-36 record next year before he left ( Melo led knicks 54 wins in 2013, 17 wins in 2015 ).
In general there is no secret that T mac was way more talented than Melo but he choked and failed more offten than Melo and never had any playoff success.
Even when he got allstar help in Houston, he still couldn't overcome first rounds. Ever. In retrospective, there was no excuse for 2002 exit vs Hornets without their leading scorer, where Baron Davis shot 38% FG and yet they still beat Tracy who took it on his teammates in media.

Both of them are products of "no efficiency" era where we got guys like Kobe, Iverson, J. O''neal, Sprewell, Francis, Marbury,Stackhosue, A. Walker, FInley, Glenn Robinson,Jamal Mashburn , Allen Houston any many other felt like they are right guys to jack 20 FGA a night. Era where Jerry Stackhouse had season where he missed 1200 of 1900 shots and was selected to allstar game

I think a lot of people from that era were a bit overrated, even Tracy and Kobe. I still feel that both guys made much more of an impact offensively then Melo ever did (Obpm is a much better indicator of that then Ofrtg is) and both were better defenders. I think injuries took a toll on him during his time in Houston as they did Yao during that time as well (neither were ever really healthy at the same time), && I do agree that he wasn’t the player he should have been In the playoffs. I think his style of play definitely catered more to the regular season then it did the playoffs but you still can’t take away the type of impact he made on those Orlando teams that had no business being in the playoffs in the first place.

It’s kind of a feat in itself that he even had them up 3-1 against a heavily favored and great defensive minded Detroit team. I do believe that if Hill was healthy during his time in Orlando though and if him and Yao could have consistently stayed healthy that things would have been different for him. But it didn’t work out that way, and I won’t make the argument that he wasn’t overrated and didn’t perform in the playoffs like he should have because I think there is definitely some truth in that.

Also, you can’t forget about those 38 seconds he played for the spurs In the playoffs though. That finals appearance and those playoff wins are on his record..lol.

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Carmelo Anthony. 10 All-Star game appearances and 6 All-NBA selections for a 1.0 career BPM player is dumbfounding.

Kobe Bryant. He was a really good player, but he has no business being in a conversation about all-time greats.

Pete Maravich. His legend status is more about style than substance.

Isiah Thomas. He was a nice player, but he was really just a cog on those Pistons championship teams as opposed to being the standard-bearer. 12 All-Star and 5 All-NBA selections?

McGrady is pretty obviously overrated on this board as a lot of current fans grew up idolizing him, but I don't think the general consensus on his accomplishments exceeds his actual performance. He was a really talented player whose window of excellence was relatively brief.

Couldn’t agree more. Man those are some unpopular opinions, but are very accurate to me.

I’d add Marbury, Arenas, and Iverson. Today I think DeRozen is probably the most overrated. Three years ago I would have easily said Blake Griffin, but I think people have wisened up.

[Magic_Johnny12]

The answer to this question should be followed up by your age.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Carmelo Anthony. 10 All-Star game appearances and 6 All-NBA selections for a 1.0 career BPM player is dumbfounding.

Kobe Bryant. He was a really good player, but he has no business being in a conversation about all-time greats.

Pete Maravich. His legend status is more about style than substance.

Isiah Thomas. He was a nice player, but he was really just a cog on those Pistons championship teams as opposed to being the standard-bearer. 12 All-Star and 5 All-NBA selections?

McGrady is pretty obviously overrated on this board as a lot of current fans grew up idolizing him, but I don't think the general consensus on his accomplishments exceeds his actual performance. He was a really talented player whose window of excellence was relatively brief.

Couldn’t agree more. Man those are some unpopular opinions, but are very accurate to me.

I’d add Marbury, Arenas, and Iverson. Today I think DeRozen is probably the most overrated. Three years ago I would have easily said Blake Griffin, but I think people have wisened up.

Kawhi and Westbrook are some of the overrated players of our era

[fendilim]

Whoever the generations “GOAT” is. Because discussion never ends until his fans dies and another one comes up.

[pepe1991]

Whoever the generations “GOAT” is. Because discussion never ends until his fans dies and another one comes up.

MJ is only goat of basketball

I actually don't know how is that even debatable, only people who push Lebron narrative are American media who have financial gain from debates. Guys like Nick Wright and Colin who made living of making and pushing agendas.

[pepe1991]

Carmelo Anthony. 10 All-Star game appearances and 6 All-NBA selections for a 1.0 career BPM player is dumbfounding.

Kobe Bryant. He was a really good player, but he has no business being in a conversation about all-time greats.

Pete Maravich. His legend status is more about style than substance.

Isiah Thomas. He was a nice player, but he was really just a cog on those Pistons championship teams as opposed to being the standard-bearer. 12 All-Star and 5 All-NBA selections?

McGrady is pretty obviously overrated on this board as a lot of current fans grew up idolizing him, but I don't think the general consensus on his accomplishments exceeds his actual performance. He was a really talented player whose window of excellence was relatively brief.

Couldn’t agree more. Man those are some unpopular opinions, but are very accurate to me.

I’d add Marbury, Arenas, and Iverson. Today I think DeRozen is probably the most overrated. Three years ago I would have easily said Blake Griffin, but I think people have wisened up.

Kawhi and Westbrook are some of the overrated players of our era

Next two years will tell is Kawhi actually good or just product of Popovich

[fendilim]

Whoever the generations “GOAT” is. Because discussion never ends until his fans dies and another one comes up.

MJ is only goat of basketball

I actually don't know how is that even debatable, only people who push Lebron narrative are American media who have financial gain from debates. Guys like Nick Wright and Colin who made living of making and pushing agendas.

Wilt was GOAT before MJ. Now most of his fans have pssed away, now its MJ. Wont be surprised after one decade or two when the kids who are watching Lebron will say its Lebron as the GOAT.

[MoMM]

Gotta disagree about Stockton. He should get more credit for his endurance and longevity. Dude played 19 seasons, and in 13 of those he didn't miss a single game. He averaged 79 games a year for 19 years.

In fact he played all of the games in 17 of 19 seasons. Missed 4 in 89-90 and 18 in 97-98. 98-90 was a lockout season and he played all of the games (50).

Assists Per Game
1986-87 NBA 8.2 (8th)
1987-88 NBA 13.8 (1st)
1988-89 NBA 13.6 (1st)
1989-90 NBA 14.5 (1st)
1990-91 NBA 14.2 (1st)
1991-92 NBA 13.7 (1st)
1992-93 NBA 12.0 (1st)
1993-94 NBA 12.6 (1st)
1994-95 NBA 12.3 (1st)
1995-96 NBA 11.2 (1st)
1996-97 NBA 10.5 (2nd)
1997-98 NBA 8.5 (5th)
1998-99 NBA 7.5 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 8.6 (6th)
2000-01 NBA 8.7 (2nd)
2001-02 NBA 8.2 (5th)
2002-03 NBA 7.7 (5th)
Career NBA 10.5 (2nd)

Steals Per Game
1986-87 NBA 2.2 (8th)
1987-88 NBA 3.0 (3rd)
1988-89 NBA 3.2 (1st)
1989-90 NBA 2.7 (2nd)
1990-91 NBA 2.9 (2nd)
1991-92 NBA 3.0 (1st)
1992-93 NBA 2.4 (3rd)
1993-94 NBA 2.4 (4th)
1994-95 NBA 2.4 (4th)
1996-97 NBA 2.0 (8th)
1999-00 NBA 1.7 (10th)
2001-02 NBA 1.9 (10th)
Career NBA 2.2 (8th)

So overrated...

[UCFJayBird]

Gotta disagree about Stockton. He should get more credit for his endurance and longevity. Dude played 19 seasons, and in 13 of those he didn't miss a single game. He averaged 79 games a year for 19 years.

In fact he played all of the games in 17 of 19 seasons. Missed 4 in 89-90 and 18 in 97-98. 98-90 was a lockout season and he played all of the games (50)..

Woops. Yea for some reason I was looking at Games Started, lol.

[rusoopE]

i hate saying this cuz i love his playing but those blazers came always short, but i gotta go with clyde drexler (just because melo, iverson were mentioned b4 him) clyde was also the reason why the blazers picked sam bowie and not jordan and i cant judge em maybe i would've done the same

[rusoopE]

btw stockton should never been mentioned here lol

[drsd]

Carmelo, Vince Carter, Steve Francis
Unpopular opinion - Allen Iverson

I think Carter's longevity has redeemed him from such a list. That he has been a team guy for the last 5+ years really helps his credibility.

Carmelo Anthony and Steve Francis have merit on such lists as they were stats-only guys that have done nothing to help a team win. Frankly Gilbert Arenas could be on this list if he had not flamed out so fast.

I might have Dominique Wilkins on this list. Year after year his ball-hogging got him a 30 ppg stat line and a 41-41 record with a 1st or 2nd round exit. Yes one could blame management for not putting better players around him and coaching for have plays called more than "get the ball to 'Nique". Wilkins might have lost more games than he won over a career. That is a poor stat for a Superstar.

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