What are your best Fournier trade proposals?

[JF5]

I see a lot of people more or less wanting to return the same team, maybe sans Ross. We don't want to let Vuc go, WeHam have stated that Bamba, Isaac and Fultz are 'the core', so that doesn't leave us with many options for improving the team. We would have Gordon, Fournier, a #16 pick and a small amount of cap space to then address the team's need for more playmaking.

If you trade any of them, you're most likely looking at returning a backcourt player. There just aren't many SFs who offer better playmaking than what Gordon does, that aren't beyond our price range. So if we trade him for a backcourt option (Beal/JRue/McCollum), then Evan has to play SF - and he won't cut it in Clifford's defense where crashing the boards is mandatory.

So it makes the most sense to move Fournier, ideally for multiple players who can be split between the bench and the starting lineup, and preferably for a younger prospect who's stuck on a bench behind depth on a win-now team.

Otherwise, we're back to counting on Fultz, Gordon or Isaac to make a pretty unlikely jump into the role of primary calibre playmaker.

Gordon is actually the biggest trade chip this team has (IMO outside of the core players). He's young enough and versatile enough and is on such a favorable contract that teams are willing to go after him. On this team He doesn't provide the proper spacing/shooting to help the young core really expand their games.

Since management is looking at Gordon as a role player by not putting him in the core. They're more than likely next season going to put the ball into Issac/Fultz hands so they can grow offensively (Bamba will most likely see more playing time/touches in his 3rd year) leaving AG with less touches and being molded into a 3/D guy (Which he's sub-optimal at this point of his career). And this is not adding the fact that they could potentially add another play-maker over the off-season

At least to me, it doesn't make sense to keep AG with his contract and diminishing role seeing that you need to surround the core players with shooters/secondary scoring. Fournier is historically a great shooter and can keep defenses honest along with with Vucevic who can also space the floor and take the pressure off those guys.

[J the Drafter]

I think some posters are in for a rude awakening at how we will want to improve our team. Whether it be by involving young players in a package deal (like Bamba) for a legit scorer, or moving on from Vuc, or trying to immediately upgrade DJ and Fournier. I don't think the team will get torn apart or anything, but there will be a clear direction we're going in with our offseason moves, and I think the FO will make some moves that will try to enhance those moves. Don't see us running it back with the same pecking order.

Change doesn’t necessarily mean improvement. If the topic had been “how can we improve over Fournier” (either in overall talent or in talent-to-cost/ratio) that would be a different story, but ditching Fournier for scraps simply leaves us down a player with a history of capable perimeter play.

[Max Power]

I’ve been as critical of Fournier as anybody. His game drives me nuts. Abysmal shot selection, turnover prone late in games, and the offense usually stops while he tries desperately for his own offense.

That being said. The last month of the season, Evan Fournier played really well. He concentrated on getting in the lane and made a lot of great plays. Unless there’s a clear cut upgrade at either backcourt spot by trading him, you don’t trade him for garbage. Everyone was awful in the playoffs except Gordon and Ross. Not just Evan.

We may have to see at the deadline a way to improve the team via trade. I hate to admit it, but Jonathan Issacs improvements may make Aaron Gordon expendable, and he is someone we can build a blockbuster trade around.

[MasterGMer]

Trade Gordon? You must be drinking...

[Xatticus]

It would be wonderful if we could dump his salary this summer, but I don't see how that happens without attaching significant assets. He isn't worth his contract and the money going to him could be very useful this summer with the glut of free agents on the market. Everyone is eying the big names, but the pool is deep and there will be some bargains there after the dust settles. The only interest we are going to get is from teams trying to dump their own bad money.

[pepe1991]

Evan is solid 2 guard , pretty good at spot ups and solid cutter.
Problem starts when your team has nobody that can play with ball, so by default he becomes one of ballhandlers.

Is he bit overpayed? Yes.
is he untradable? No. In league where Kent Bazemore and Turner make even more, he has his value.
Is there any burning desire to move him to give somebody younger space to grow? Not really. Iwundu and Frazier are third stringers, Ross is bench player.

Do I expect him at the end of a season on a roster if Vučević and Ross go? No. Because i expect selling and 20 wins season if that happends.

Would i trade him if right offer shows this summer ,for combination of two solid players on lesser salaries ? Sure.

[j-ragg]

I think some posters are in for a rude awakening at how we will want to improve our team. Whether it be by involving young players in a package deal (like Bamba) for a legit scorer, or moving on from Vuc, or trying to immediately upgrade DJ and Fournier. I don't think the team will get torn apart or anything, but there will be a clear direction we're going in with our offseason moves, and I think the FO will make some moves that will try to enhance those moves. Don't see us running it back with the same pecking order.

I hope you're right but this mgmt's specialty has been running it back up to this point so I don't have faith it changes anytime soon.

[tiderulz]

Evan is solid 2 guard , pretty good at spot ups and solid cutter.
Problem starts when your team has nobody that can play with ball, so by default he becomes one of ballhandlers.

Is he bit overpayed? Yes.
is he untradable? No. In league where Kent Bazemore and Turner make even more, he has his value.
Is there any burning desire to move him to give somebody younger space to grow? Not really. Iwundu and Frazier are third stringers, Ross is bench player.

Do I expect him at the end of a season on a roster if Vučević and Ross go? No. Because i expect selling and 20 wins season if that happends.

Would i trade him if right offer shows this summer ,for combination of two solid players on lesser salaries ? Sure.

I'm not saying he is untradable, but no one is trading for Bazemore and Turner, so those arent good examples.

[fendilim]

Trade Gordon? You must be drinking...

Wow

What makes him untradable?

[Catledge]

Am I the only one who think that Mozgov's expiring contract is a more desirable asset for most teams than Fournier is?

Anyway, I think I like the idea of trying to get Conley on a salary dump. Fournier + Moz + Frazier for Conley + Bradley works in the trade checker. I can't think of any team that would be willing to give up real assets for Conley's giant contract at his age.

A starting lineup of Conley, Bradley, AG, Isaac, and Vooch would be an elite defensive unit.

[pepe1991]

Evan is solid 2 guard , pretty good at spot ups and solid cutter.
Problem starts when your team has nobody that can play with ball, so by default he becomes one of ballhandlers.

Is he bit overpayed? Yes.
is he untradable? No. In league where Kent Bazemore and Turner make even more, he has his value.
Is there any burning desire to move him to give somebody younger space to grow? Not really. Iwundu and Frazier are third stringers, Ross is bench player.

Do I expect him at the end of a season on a roster if Vučević and Ross go? No. Because i expect selling and 20 wins season if that happends.

Would i trade him if right offer shows this summer ,for combination of two solid players on lesser salaries ? Sure.

I'm not saying he is untradable, but no one is trading for Bazemore and Turner, so those arent good examples.

I didn't give them that contracts, their current teams did. So it's on them.

[yoyojw17]

Evan is solid 2 guard , pretty good at spot ups and solid cutter.
Problem starts when your team has nobody that can play with ball, so by default he becomes one of ballhandlers.

Is he bit overpayed? Yes.
is he untradable? No. In league where Kent Bazemore and Turner make even more, he has his value.
Is there any burning desire to move him to give somebody younger space to grow? Not really. Iwundu and Frazier are third stringers, Ross is bench player.

Do I expect him at the end of a season on a roster if Vučević and Ross go? No. Because i expect selling and 20 wins season if that happends.

Would i trade him if right offer shows this summer ,for combination of two solid players on lesser salaries ? Sure.

I'm not saying he is untradable, but no one is trading for Bazemore and Turner, so those arent good examples.

You cannot compare Fournier to those 2 in my opinion. They didn't even come close to replicating what they got their contracts for. Fournier had a down year.... and EVEN in that down year that people are so pissed about... his numbers are actually better than a ton of people that most say they want on their team. I personally am going all in on the investment in Fultz... and i believe that he will change the outlook of this team. Players can't be hitting their potential if the teams makeup doesn't allow it. this is part of what building a team is about. Finding good pieces and making them work together. With my expected development of Isaac and Gordon... i do have a lot of faith in what this team can be. I get it... people have their doubts but we won't know if a plan works until you put it into action. Fournier... even if he doesn't increase his skills he could be a better player just by situation alone. That goes for everyone else on the team

[MasterGMer]

Am I the only one who think that Mozgov's expiring contract is a more desirable asset for most teams than Fournier is?

Anyway, I think I like the idea of trying to get Conley on a salary dump. Fournier + Moz + Frazier for Conley + Bradley works in the trade checker. I can't think of any team that would be willing to give up real assets for Conley's giant contract at his age.

A starting lineup of Conley, Bradley, AG, Isaac, and Vooch would be an elite defensive unit.

Conley is old and he has a bad contract. He himself would jack up our salary cap and he has past his prime. Not aligning to our future

[MasterGMer]

Evan is solid 2 guard , pretty good at spot ups and solid cutter.
Problem starts when your team has nobody that can play with ball, so by default he becomes one of ballhandlers.

Is he bit overpayed? Yes.
is he untradable? No. In league where Kent Bazemore and Turner make even more, he has his value.
Is there any burning desire to move him to give somebody younger space to grow? Not really. Iwundu and Frazier are third stringers, Ross is bench player.

Do I expect him at the end of a season on a roster if Vučević and Ross go? No. Because i expect selling and 20 wins season if that happends.

Would i trade him if right offer shows this summer ,for combination of two solid players on lesser salaries ? Sure.

I'm not saying he is untradable, but no one is trading for Bazemore and Turner, so those arent good examples.

You cannot compare Fournier to those 2 in my opinion. They didn't even come close to replicating what they got their contracts for. Fournier had a down year.... and EVEN in that down year that people are so pissed about... his numbers are actually better than a ton of people that most say they want on their team. I personally am going all in on the investment in Fultz... and i believe that he will change the outlook of this team. Players can't be hitting their potential if the teams makeup doesn't allow it. this is part of what building a team is about. Finding good pieces and making them work together. With my expected development of Isaac and Gordon... i do have a lot of faith in what this team can be. I get it... people have their doubts but we won't know if a plan works until you put it into action. Fournier... even if he doesn't increase his skills could be a better player just by situation alone. That goes for everyone else on the team

I agree with you. But if we have a chance of an all-star S&T, do you give up Fournier?

[yoyojw17]

I'm not saying he is untradable, but no one is trading for Bazemore and Turner, so those arent good examples.

You cannot compare Fournier to those 2 in my opinion. They didn't even come close to replicating what they got their contracts for. Fournier had a down year.... and EVEN in that down year that people are so pissed about... his numbers are actually better than a ton of people that most say they want on their team. I personally am going all in on the investment in Fultz... and i believe that he will change the outlook of this team. Players can't be hitting their potential if the teams makeup doesn't allow it. this is part of what building a team is about. Finding good pieces and making them work together. With my expected development of Isaac and Gordon... i do have a lot of faith in what this team can be. I get it... people have their doubts but we won't know if a plan works until you put it into action. Fournier... even if he doesn't increase his skills could be a better player just by situation alone. That goes for everyone else on the team

I agree with you. But if we have a chance of an all-star S&T, do you give up Fournier?

Oh hell yeah. lol. just won't give up on fournier for another decent starter just to say... "fournier is no longer on the team" like some people are hoping.

Like i've said in this thread.... if a trade of fournier and bamba could net us a player like Beal.... i'm totally down. Still will suck to see them go... but we gotta give up something to get back something. 2 way talent like that would definitely be a great addition and worth the loss of depth ... as long as we can get some decent replacement value for bamba. Maybe give birch the backup role.... though i think bamba's potential could be immense.

[BadMofoPimp]

Am I the only one who think that Mozgov's expiring contract is a more desirable asset for most teams than Fournier is?

Anyway, I think I like the idea of trying to get Conley on a salary dump. Fournier + Moz + Frazier for Conley + Bradley works in the trade checker. I can't think of any team that would be willing to give up real assets for Conley's giant contract at his age.

A starting lineup of Conley, Bradley, AG, Isaac, and Vooch would be an elite defensive unit.

I watched Bradley in Detroit. He was absolutely horrid on defense. Dude has lost it. Waste of a player now.

[VFX]

The problem with Fournier is that his contract doesn’t match his productivity. He’s a solid player, but he’s the 14th highest paid SG in the league. That being said, there aren’t many good shooting guards either.

His value isn’t going to be high enough to trade him straight up for replacement in production at his position unless you are looking at players like

- Tyler Johnson 19.2m
- THJr 19.2m
- Klay Thompson 18.9m
- Allen Crabbe 18.5m
- Bazemore 18m
- FOURNIER 17m
- Gary Harris 16.5m
- JR Smith 15m
- E Gordon 13.5m

So he’s in a weird spot of being better value than a lot of those guys and completely overpriced next to Klay and Harris. Like a majority of the other players in Orlando, Evan is more valuable to us than he is to other teams because of what we lack. Getting him off the books will either be a lateral move or taking a chance on a prospect + filler. People that are saying “trade up for Beal, etc.” aren’t being realistic with the rest of the value on this roster.

[zaymon]

Fournier was asked to facilitate a lot more this season, which could disturb his rhytm. Clifford said many times he is pleased with his defence, competetivenes and inteligence. I see no reason why we shouldnnt give him a chance to bounce back. Not that we have a line of young promising guards standing behind him.

[pepe1991]

The problem with Fournier is that his contract doesn’t match his productivity. He’s a solid player, but he’s the 14th highest paid SG in the league. That being said, there aren’t many good shooting guards either.

His value isn’t going to be high enough to trade him straight up for replacement in production at his position unless you are looking at players like

- Tyler Johnson 19.2m
- THJr 19.2m
- Klay Thompson 18.9m
- Allen Crabbe 18.5m
- Bazemore 18m
- FOURNIER 17m
- Gary Harris 16.5m
- JR Smith 15m
- E Gordon 13.5m

So he’s in a weird spot of being better value than a lot of those guys and completely overpriced next to Klay and Harris. Like a majority of the other players in Orlando, Evan is more valuable to us than he is to other teams because of what we lack. Getting him off the books will either be a lateral move or taking a chance on a prospect + filler. People that are saying “trade up for Beal, etc.” aren’t being realistic with the rest of the value on this roster.

Evan is better than almost all of players from that list but Klay.
Now, from today's perspective Klay's contract doesn't sound big but he signed his extension back in 2014, max offer for his contract was $70M, he got $68,9M.

[Bensational]

Saying "Fournier is not as bad as...." is not an endorsement. And it doesn't change the fact that we need bigger impact from the backcourt than DJ and Fournier are providing.

People who want to make the case that he could bounce back and return to being a good shooter are ignoring that even at those levels, he won't make the kind of impact we need. So then you're limited to just Fultz being the difference making playmaker to tip the team over the edge. That's not a safe bet.