Aaron Gordon - In or Out?

[zaymon]

Why can't we accept Gordon for the player he is?

All any Magic fan wants to do is keep saying he has potential to become "the guy." That's unfair to the effort and improvement he's made to be the player he is today.

His contract is great value for what he currently provides too.

I agree that he still has room to improve. I would love for him to be even better than he is — he would say he wants the same thing — but he's solid as is now.

I'm not saying I'm against trading him if the right deal came along, but the whole "AG is an all-star or bust" is getting old, and wanting to trade him because he hasn't reached his perceived ceiling is like not seeing the forest for the trees, IMO.

The problem is Aaron Gordon is not accepting the player he is. Most of us and many of the media members already know who he is. On ball defensive specialist, underwhelming low iq team defender, lob threat, good passer, below average shooter, below average ball handler.
Did you watch interviews with AG ? I watch most of our team interviews. Gordon one's are the worst for me. I hear a delusional player who was spoiled most of his time here. When he came into the bubble he told he practically mastered basketball and he has another gear offensively (his own words). Even Stan Van Gundy during one of his podcast appearences had a rant about Aaaron Gordon not focusing on the game.
I think Aaron Gordon needs a change of place and some veteran tough love. Vucevic is a great player but he is not a locker room leader.

[Max Power]

I agree with Kent here. Gordon is pretty much a finished product at this point. He’s got his strengths and weaknesses and he’s still a pretty damn good NBA player. He’s a fantastic defender, plays with great energy and intensity, rebounds well and is solid offensively. No, he’s not Blake Griffin or Paul George, unfortunately positionally he’s a tweener. He’s more effective at the 4.

Everyone keeps waiting for the same bump that Oladipo made in Indiana to All Star. Guys, he’s heading into year 6. He’s not going to be that. That being said I still think he can consistently be an 18-20 ppg scorer with some work on his consistency and quit the one on one **** he plays.

As for the deals mentioned. I think the Minnesota deal is fair, and it would certainly put the Magic in play for free agency after next season. I would mind multiple first round picks either and taking a flyer on a potential 2 guard off the bench. A Caris Lavert trade wouldn’t hurt my feelings either. I’m ok with Gordon sticking around also. He’s always put heart into playing for the team, so I appreciate him for that. He shows up.

I also agree with you Zaymon when it comes to Gordon’s view. I think he’s a bit self focused on where exactly his role on the team he. He’s not the star, Vucevic is. It’s arguable that Ross, Fultz and Issac are more valuable to this Magic engine as well.

[tiderulz]

The Orlando Magic are in a place of transition as the team looks for ways to upgrade their roster and land a potential superstar. Power forward Aaron Gordon was once thought of as 'the guy' in Orlando, however, that's certainly changed over the course of the last two seasons. The high-flying Gordon has been linked to several teams, dating back to the trade deadline when the Magic first made him available. Turns out it could be at the draft where we see Gordon change jerseys and the Magic finally getting their wish.

According to Forbes' Sean Deveney, one eastern conference executive sees Gordon on the move and soon:

They were really trying to deal him before the deadline, but they weren't getting the assets back they wanted. It will be easier to move that contract when it's only got two years left. He's probably the most likely big name to be traded. He's a good gamble—he is only 24.

Gordon is making roughly $34 million over the final two years of his contract, which is a reasonable deal considering his production. 18 million in 2020, declining to 16 million in 2021.

However, some teams are slightly concerned with Gordon's drop in points per game as he's gone from 17.6 to 16 to last year averaging 14.4 ppg. Option 1, no, but Gordon suits up as a perfect compliment to round out a big 3.

So keep an eye on the T-Wolves as they try to put together a young-dominant big-3. KAT and D'Angelo Russell could soon have a new running mate...

Would Magic Fans accept a trade of Timberwolves send 1st round pick #17, expiring James Johnson 16 million, and former first round picks Omari Spellman and Jacob Evans for Aaron Gordon.

This gives the Magic two first round picks, 15 and 17 which they can use to get into the top 10 or stay and draft two rookies of their choice where many draft experts say is the strength of the draft class or trade assets for the 2021 NBA Draft.

James Johnson’s money comes off after 1 season for 2021 Big free agency class. Spellman and Evans, both first round pick draft players are on their rookie contracts and can be opted out of after one season if they don’t pan out or flash in 2020 season. That clears up around $20 million in cap for 2021.

Jonathon Isaac is out for the entire 2020 season and Magic can tank one year, free up a bunch of cap and collect assets for 2021 draft and free agency when Isaac is back.

the only way i would consider trading with Minny if it included their pick and either Culver or maybe Beasley.

[tiderulz]

i would rather wait until some desperate team overpays for him. # 17 when we have #15 doesnt excite me. Maybe Clippers will want to trade George , maybe Wolves will overpay for defensive help, maybe Nets will overpay for wing defender they desperatly need, maybe Warriors realise they are not a contender without athletic forward, maybe Suns are still interested, maybe Cleveland wants some playmaking from the wing, maybe Wizards want some veteran defensive presence, maybe Denver wants to replace aging Millsap, maybe Mavericks want athletic roller and short roll passer, maybe Trailblazers want to defend ?
Like Gordon or not ( i dont like him), but 1/3 of the league would be happy to have him in their rotation. Its not like you cant win with him when you have lead ball handler and proper spacing. Versatile defenders and adequate passers are shining in post season right now. He is slight shooting improvement from being great role player. Not a star, but still a winning player. We should capitalize on his value before he bolts in free agency. I dont see a great chemistry with other members of our team. He literally left us in the bubble to record some suspect quality songs. ( while saying he cant motivate himself to play becouse of social justice thing before the restart)

15 and 17 can get you in the top 10 or you can use one pick and trade the other pick for a 2021 first round pick.

it is not a guarantee that 15 and 17 get you into the top 10. Maybe 15 + AG gets an even better pick.

[tiderulz]

Why can't we accept Gordon for the player he is?

All any Magic fan wants to do is keep saying he has potential to become "the guy." That's unfair to the effort and improvement he's made to be the player he is today.

His contract is great value for what he currently provides too.

I agree that he still has room to improve. I would love for him to be even better than he is — he would say he wants the same thing — but he's solid as is now.

I'm not saying I'm against trading him if the right deal came along, but the whole "AG is an all-star or bust" is getting old, and wanting to trade him because he hasn't reached his perceived ceiling is like not seeing the forest for the trees, IMO.

I wouldnt call his contract great value. I just wouldnt call him greatly overpaid.

[Orl_Magic]

I thought we were trading AG to GSW. I like the idea of trading him to the West

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Doesn’t match well with Isaac on the court. We need either more floor spacing or shot creating if Vuc, Fultz, and Isaac are on the floor as well. Simple.

If we are being honest, 1-2 of these players need to go.



You can’t continue to pay that amount of salary and have that be the outcome. It obviously not a winning combination.

[JF5]

If we're able to move Fournier/Vucevic for a star wing and a vet role player.

I would attempt to Trade Aaron Gordon for Myles Turner straight up. It makes sense for both the Pacers and Magic (IMO).

[Kent]

...He’s got his strengths and weaknesses and he’s still a pretty damn good NBA player. He’s a fantastic defender, plays with great energy and intensity, rebounds well and is solid offensively. No, he’s not Blake Griffin or Paul George, unfortunately positionally he’s a tweener. He’s more effective at the 4.

...That being said I still think he can consistently be an 18-20 ppg scorer with some work on his consistency and quit the one on one **** he plays.

Totally with you.

It's been said before, but when you look at AG as more of a Shawn Marion-type, you can appreciate him more. Let's face it: The Matrix was a great player in his own right.

...He’s always put heart into playing for the team, so I appreciate him for that. He shows up.

Agreed. As a fan, it's always a welcome sight.

...I think he’s a bit self focused on where exactly his role on the team he. He’s not the star, Vucevic is. It’s arguable that Ross, Fultz and Issac are more valuable to this Magic engine as well.

The problem is Aaron Gordon is not accepting the player he is.

...Did you watch interviews with AG ? I watch most of our team interviews. Gordon one's are the worst for me. I hear a delusional player who was spoiled most of his time here. When he came into the bubble he told he practically mastered basketball and he has another gear offensively (his own words). Even Stan Van Gundy during one of his podcast appearences had a rant about Aaaron Gordon not focusing on the game.

I don't disagree that he tries to force things and take over sometimes.

And I haven't seen those interviews you reference so I can't speak for them, but to a degree, you want a guy who thinks highly of his ability and potential. I would rather a guy think that than not.

To your point, it is detrimental if it's an inflated self-opinion that negatively affects the team chemistry. I don't think that's an issue from the eye test on the court though.

His contract is great value for what he currently provides too.

I wouldnt call his contract great value. I just wouldnt call him greatly overpaid.

It's semantics because most guys are overpaid versus paid what we think they're worth or less. But yeah, that's fair.

[BlueBlazer]

If we're able to move Fournier/Vucevic for a star wing and a vet role player.

I would attempt to Trade Aaron Gordon for Myles Turner straight up. It makes sense for both the Pacers and Magic (IMO).

Turner is literally the last thing we need, especially with Bamba

[pepe1991]

If we're able to move Fournier/Vucevic for a star wing and a vet role player.

I would attempt to Trade Aaron Gordon for Myles Turner straight up. It makes sense for both the Pacers and Magic (IMO).

Turner is literally the last thing we need, especially with Bamba

He is kind a best possible outcome for Bamba. Very average role player who can hit open 3, defend paint but don't expect anything else

[MoMM]

If we're able to move Fournier/Vucevic for a star wing and a vet role player.

I would attempt to Trade Aaron Gordon for Myles Turner straight up. It makes sense for both the Pacers and Magic (IMO).

Turner is literally the last thing we need, especially with Bamba

He is kind a best possible outcome for Bamba. Very average role player who can hit open 3, defend paint but don't expect anything else

Well, if Bamba becomes anything close to someone who plays for the US National Team, I would be really happy.

[Skin]

Hey guys, i have seen a Lot of rumors about ag getting on the trade block i think he really is one foot away from Orlando. What do You think about ag and vuc (tho i love his Game) for Wiggins and #2 pick? I think vuc deserves a Nice spot on a contender also he doesnt fit our timeline with Bamba Isaac fultz okeke and 2021 rookie, both would fut really Nice on the dubs we getting in return a superb pick to build on and a totally green light shooter on Wiggins wich he proved last to be an efective 20+ppg, also in a couple years his contract is gonna be a very good expiring one wich can be used. I don't see us reaching the po next year so we should not trade the 2021 pick. Tell me what do You think about

Too good to be true bruh. But I appreciate the day dream.

[yoyojw17]

Hey guys, i have seen a Lot of rumors about ag getting on the trade block i think he really is one foot away from Orlando. What do You think about ag and vuc (tho i love his Game) for Wiggins and #2 pick? I think vuc deserves a Nice spot on a contender also he doesnt fit our timeline with Bamba Isaac fultz okeke and 2021 rookie, both would fut really Nice on the dubs we getting in return a superb pick to build on and a totally green light shooter on Wiggins wich he proved last to be an efective 20+ppg, also in a couple years his contract is gonna be a very good expiring one wich can be used. I don't see us reaching the po next year so we should not trade the 2021 pick. Tell me what do You think about

Too good to be true bruh. But I appreciate the day dream.

No joke.... I wouldn't say it's a daydream. That is actually some decent value and players that will fill immediate holes in a championship team. Imagine Vuc finally being a #3 option and Gordon being on a team where he KNOWS that he is a swiss army knife. The best of both players will come out and GS will be immediate contenders again with players on the same schedule.

Steph/klay/gordon/green/vuc is a great balance of offense and defense.

and for us... we get to pretty much punt this year with some promising players for the future.
fultz/#2/#15/wiggins/okeke/isaac/bamba/ most like 2021 lotto pick...
But yeah.... might be exciting to watch.

[drsd]

If Isaac was healthy, then yes Gordon would be certain to be traded. Now: I think it is 50/50.

Gordon can be traded next off-season, for example.

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Don’t care about the timeframe. If there is a good offer on the table for AG, they should take it.

[MasterGMer]

Hey guys, i have seen a Lot of rumors about ag getting on the trade block i think he really is one foot away from Orlando. What do You think about ag and vuc (tho i love his Game) for Wiggins and #2 pick? I think vuc deserves a Nice spot on a contender also he doesnt fit our timeline with Bamba Isaac fultz okeke and 2021 rookie, both would fut really Nice on the dubs we getting in return a superb pick to build on and a totally green light shooter on Wiggins wich he proved last to be an efective 20+ppg, also in a couple years his contract is gonna be a very good expiring one wich can be used. I don't see us reaching the po next year so we should not trade the 2021 pick. Tell me what do You think about

Too good to be true bruh. But I appreciate the day dream.

No joke.... I wouldn't say it's a daydream. That is actually some decent value and players that will fill immediate holes in a championship team. Imagine Vuc finally being a #3 option and Gordon being on a team where he KNOWS that he is a swiss army knife. The best of both players will come out and GS will be immediate contenders again with players on the same schedule.

Steph/klay/gordon/green/vuc is a great balance of offense and defense.

and for us... we get to pretty much punt this year with some promising players for the future.
fultz/#2/#15/wiggins/okeke/isaac/bamba/ most like 2021 lotto pick...
But yeah.... might be exciting to watch.

That is the trade I'd do personally. #2 + Wiggins. A needed scoring wing to add to our depth. Plus a NO.2 pick. Lots of things to get excited about

[Bensational]

Why can't we accept Gordon for the player he is?

All any Magic fan wants to do is keep saying he has potential to become "the guy." That's unfair to the effort and improvement he's made to be the player he is today.

His contract is great value for what he currently provides too.

I agree that he still has room to improve. I would love for him to be even better than he is — he would say he wants the same thing — but he's solid as is now.

I'm not saying I'm against trading him if the right deal came along, but the whole "AG is an all-star or bust" is getting old, and wanting to trade him because he hasn't reached his perceived ceiling is like not seeing the forest for the trees, IMO.

The problem is Aaron Gordon is not accepting the player he is. Most of us and many of the media members already know who he is. On ball defensive specialist, underwhelming low iq team defender, lob threat, good passer, below average shooter, below average ball handler.
Did you watch interviews with AG ? I watch most of our team interviews. Gordon one's are the worst for me. I hear a delusional player who was spoiled most of his time here. When he came into the bubble he told he practically mastered basketball and he has another gear offensively (his own words). Even Stan Van Gundy during one of his podcast appearences had a rant about Aaaron Gordon not focusing on the game.
I think Aaron Gordon needs a change of place and some veteran tough love. Vucevic is a great player but he is not a locker room leader.

You've got quite the tainted view of Gordon. Anyone who watched him this season saw him work to contain his game to become more efficient. Post ASB he was our best player by Net RTG, he averaged 15.4ppg, 8.9rpg, 5.7apg, 1spg, 1bpg over that span. His FGAs dropped to 11.7 per game. He settled into his role as a swiss army knife guy, and he did well at it.

That is not the behaviour of someone spoilt. That's team first play all about winning. I would love to see AG on Miami, under the wing of someone like Butler.

By the way, here's the list of other players who averaged at least 15ppg, 8rpg, 5apg post ASB. Even if he's the worst of that group, that's still the kind of company he keeps.

[fendilim]

Why can't we accept Gordon for the player he is?

All any Magic fan wants to do is keep saying he has potential to become "the guy." That's unfair to the effort and improvement he's made to be the player he is today.

His contract is great value for what he currently provides too.

I agree that he still has room to improve. I would love for him to be even better than he is — he would say he wants the same thing — but he's solid as is now.

I'm not saying I'm against trading him if the right deal came along, but the whole "AG is an all-star or bust" is getting old, and wanting to trade him because he hasn't reached his perceived ceiling is like not seeing the forest for the trees, IMO.

The problem is Aaron Gordon is not accepting the player he is. Most of us and many of the media members already know who he is. On ball defensive specialist, underwhelming low iq team defender, lob threat, good passer, below average shooter, below average ball handler.
Did you watch interviews with AG ? I watch most of our team interviews. Gordon one's are the worst for me. I hear a delusional player who was spoiled most of his time here. When he came into the bubble he told he practically mastered basketball and he has another gear offensively (his own words). Even Stan Van Gundy during one of his podcast appearences had a rant about Aaaron Gordon not focusing on the game.
I think Aaron Gordon needs a change of place and some veteran tough love. Vucevic is a great player but he is not a locker room leader.

You've got quite the tainted view of Gordon. Anyone who watched him this season saw him work to contain his game to become more efficient. Post ASB he was our best player by Net RTG, he averaged 15.4ppg, 8.9rpg, 5.7apg, 1spg, 1bpg over that span. His FGAs dropped to 11.7 per game. He settled into his role as a swiss army knife guy, and he did well at it.

That is not the behaviour of someone spoilt. That's team first play all about winning. I would love to see AG on Miami, under the wing of someone like Butler.

By the way, here's the list of other players who averaged at least 15ppg, 8rpg, 5apg post ASB. Even if he's the worst of that group, that's still the kind of company he keeps.

With his less role, our team was one of the better teams post ASB. Its not a surprise why the Raptors clamped on TRoss, Fournier and Evan last yr.

This happens like every yr, he tries to play more than he is capable then adjusts.

I think only last year was the only time he played to his strengths.

Then this yr he started to play bigger than his role then adjusted post ASB.

It makes you wonder how true were the reports during his Free Agency year when it was reported that management are kind of negative on him playing more than his role.

I wouldn’t say he is spoiled, yes. I believe he is delusional.