Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Kris Dunn seems like a Weham type of player and he's a UFA now.

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If the guy shoots over 25-27% from 3, WeHam don't bother to even remember his name.

[basketballRob]

Kris Dunn seems like a Weham type of player and he's a UFA now.

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If the guy shoots over 25-27% from 3, WeHam don't bother to even remember his name.

Dunn is probably the best PG defender in the league. He's way better than MCW.

This is definitely a signal that the Bulls will take Haliburton.

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[RookieStar]

Also... only one trade ( officially ) so far? After all the hype that this will be chaos?

I thought there would be non-stop new threads on GB or new tweets from woj, shams and etc.. but only cp3 to suns so far.

What a letdown (lol)

The draft hasn't started and neither has free agency.

Eeerrrr but im talking about trades. I mean are we really expecting big names to sign with other teams? (AD opt out but will he really sign with someone else?)

Draft yeah... with package deals. But I was expecting thenfrenzy of the trade deadline of yesteryears to happen now with the way everyone was hyping uo this season's movement.

[The Real Dalic]

Kris Dunn seems like a Weham type of player and he's a UFA now.

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I wouldn't mind him being our primary backup PG to replace DJ. Unless we draft a PG, of course.

[SOUL]

Eeerrrr but im talking about trades. I mean are we really expecting big names to sign with other teams? (AD opt out but will he really sign with someone else?)

Draft yeah... with package deals. But I was expecting thenfrenzy of the trade deadline of yesteryears to happen now with the way everyone was hyping uo this season's movement.

I just think even with trades you will see a decent number during the draft and during FA period too. Still all of tomorrow as well. Calm before the storm perhaps.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Chuma Okeke is the newest "official" member of the Orlando Magic basketball club.
Hope he stays healthy and cracks the rotation based on his skills, not WeHam desperate wishes.
Wish him well.

[Skin]

I don't like Weltman, i find him being arrogant old fart that thinks he is way smarter than he is by never saying anything that isn't 100% PC. That being said, what a hell you expect front office high member to say " i hate this team" ?

I'm still trying to figure out why he has spent so much time on all the different "If, then" scenarios in preparation for the 15th pick. He said he didn't know how many different combinations there were before pick 15, but they went through all of them. LOL.

Build a your own board. Take the highest guy on your board when 15 is on the clock. I don't get why your guy would change depending on who was already taken.

Just goes to show how once again, they are reactionary in their mindset instead of proactive. They are so resistant to change because there is no pressure for them to perform at a high level.

How are you actually complaining that they're planning out all possible outcomes in advance? They very likely have their own big board, but by plotting each possible outcome they can have a sense of where on their big board they will be selecting from depending on how picks line up.

So if they end up on a modelled path that doesn't give them one of their preferred players, they can look to move up.

Criticise them for a lot, but not for them being overly prepared for this draft. That's just a bit silly.

I think you are giving them too much credit. If they are doing it as a means of preparation to make a draft day move, then I just can't buy that.

They had that chance in previous years and failed to execute. In 2017, they said the draft flattened out and gave away our second 1st rounder (passing on Kuzma/White). In 2018, they could've moved up for Doncic and Young, but NOPE. In 2019, they reached for Chuma instead of calculating a trade down to pick up additional draft collateral and still get him. In all scenarios they had a chance to either move up and get their guy OR move down and they failed to make a move. So where did their modeling matter?

These guys are passive, reactionary and conservative. Their mindset is not what you are thinking... don't think that they will find a model and move around to get their guy... no no no... All they are doing is wasting time that could be used in other efforts...I give em credit for working hard, but not smart. You don't need to waste time scenario-ing, just so that you might find a different set of players who will be available to you when you are on the clock. That's an exercise that is mostly a guessing game and constantly changing. Rumors of who teams want are constantly changing. There's just no advantage in doing hours and hours of scenario-ing if-then combinations for each of the 14 picks ahead of you. Get out there, do your homework scouting as hard as you can so you don't draft a bust. Forget who might or might not be available. Target your top guys and try to get the best one you can using your available assets. Be sound, be aggressive, smart, make the most of our assets, and make decisions with confidence, so that when you draft them your damn coach isn't afraid of playing them.

I'll tell you what though... If they make a trade in the coming days, I'll come back here and eat my crow.

[RookieStar]

Eeerrrr but im talking about trades. I mean are we really expecting big names to sign with other teams? (AD opt out but will he really sign with someone else?)

Draft yeah... with package deals. But I was expecting thenfrenzy of the trade deadline of yesteryears to happen now with the way everyone was hyping uo this season's movement.

I just think even with trades you will see a decent number during the draft and during FA period too. Still all of tomorrow as well. Calm before the storm perhaps.

Yeah. Maybe. I just remembered before wheb it was as hyped as this.. i took a nap so I missed the opening by an hour and when i woke up, I couldnt keep up with the threads and tweets of the player movements. I just thougt it would be like this.

[The Effect]

Now thats hes opted in for next year, is there any doubt that we make a move for Derozen during the draft?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Now thats hes opted in for next year, is there any doubt that we make a move for Derozen during the draft?

Ratherhave Fournier over DeRozan

[Skin]

Now thats hes opted in for next year, is there any doubt that we make a move for Derozen during the draft?

A Fultz and Derozan shooting backcourt would be the epitome of "when the league zigs, you zag".

[Bensational]

I'm still trying to figure out why he has spent so much time on all the different "If, then" scenarios in preparation for the 15th pick. He said he didn't know how many different combinations there were before pick 15, but they went through all of them. LOL.

Build a your own board. Take the highest guy on your board when 15 is on the clock. I don't get why your guy would change depending on who was already taken.

Just goes to show how once again, they are reactionary in their mindset instead of proactive. They are so resistant to change because there is no pressure for them to perform at a high level.

How are you actually complaining that they're planning out all possible outcomes in advance? They very likely have their own big board, but by plotting each possible outcome they can have a sense of where on their big board they will be selecting from depending on how picks line up.

So if they end up on a modelled path that doesn't give them one of their preferred players, they can look to move up.

Criticise them for a lot, but not for them being overly prepared for this draft. That's just a bit silly.

I think you are giving them too much credit. If they are doing it as a means of preparation to make a draft day move, then I just can't buy that.

They had that chance in previous years and failed to execute. In 2017, they said the draft flattened out and gave away our second 1st rounder (passing on Kuzma/White). In 2018, they could've moved up for Doncic and Young, but NOPE. In 2019, they reached for Chuma instead of calculating a trade down to pick up additional draft collateral and still get him. In all scenarios they had a chance to either move up and get their guy OR move down and they failed to make a move. So where did their modeling matter?

These guys are passive, reactionary and conservative. Their mindset is not what you are thinking... don't think that they will find a model and move around to get their guy... no no no... All they are doing is wasting time that could be used in other efforts...I give em credit for working hard, but not smart. You don't need to waste time scenario-ing, just so that you might find a different set of players who will be available to you when you are on the clock. That's an exercise that is mostly a guessing game and constantly changing. Rumors of who teams want are constantly changing. You just no advantage in doing hours and hours of scenario-ing if-then combinations for each of the 14 picks ahead of you. Get out there, do your homework scouting as hard as you can so you don't draft a bust. Forget who might or might not be available. Target your top guys and try to get the best one you can using your available assets. Be sound, be aggressive, smart, make the most of our assets, and make decisions with confidence, so that when you draft them your damn coach isn't afraid of playing them.

I'll tell you what though... If they make a trade in the coming days, I'll come back here and eat my crow.

Sorry, I should've clarified - I agree with you about them being passive/conservative! I just wasn't gonna criticise them for being well prepared and having models in place.

[The Effect]

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Now thats hes opted in for next year, is there any doubt that we make a move for Derozen during the draft?

Ratherhave Fournier over DeRozan

C'mon man, you don't want to form the worst shooting backcourt in the nba???

[3ddman23]

This organization just loves to twiddle there thumbs while other teams are making deals left and right to actually try and get better or get worse. I just dont see what this front office is doing how can they be content with this product? Where is the sense of urgency.... its crazy how they will most likely roll out the same team next season and not make any significant change. Smh

[RookieStar]

WOW. The rich got richer in Bucks gettibg Holiday ( overpaid IMO ) and the blazers solidified their F spot in RoCo

[MagicFan101]

WOW. The rich got richer in Bucks gettibg Holiday ( overpaid IMO ) and the blazers solidified their F spot in RoCo

For 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps.

Not a big deal if Giannis resigns but if he leaves and they have to rebuild without those future picks ...

[Def Swami]

3 future first-round picks and 2 future pick swaps for Holiday

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1 unprotected first-round pick and 1 protected first-round pick for Covington

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[Def Swami]

I think the Bucks must know Giannis is signing the extension. No way they put all those picks on the table unless they feel good about it. Especially since Holiday is also expiring this season.

All those picks for an expiring Holiday really makes you wonder what draft capital Vucevic could fetch.

[Bensational]

RoCo landed #16 + Ariza, which is right around the value many posters here had AG at (#17 + J.Johnson). I would imagine they offered the same for AG as well.

[RookieStar]

Wow.. Roco and Holiday got those? Wonder what AG would fetch.

Also, Bucks going all.in this season. If they win it all and Giannis leaves I think itl be worth it.