Magic Extend Jeff Weltman and John Hammond's Contracts Through the 2025-2026 Season

[Ducklett]

Their treatment of second round picks drives me insane, but they did better than I expected out of holding on to AG and Vuc for the right trades. We got a top 8 pick out of Vuc! That is insane. The Denver pick might be way better than anyone expected when we made the trade. We have some players with some warts, but they are young and better than average for their draft positions. For all of the whining about Cole Anthony, he is a decent player for where he was selected in the draft.

[Xatticus]

The Vucevic trade (Wagner and WCJ) is their only saving grace at this point. Their draft record is otherwise abysmal. Nothing else that they have done has worked. You don't get bonus points for standing in place and watching the world unfold around you.

There isn't really any point in nitpicking what they have done though. When the organization sanctioned another rebuild, they had to hand out extensions to the front office. This just ties their fates to Mosley's. When they gave Mosley the 5-year deal, they committed to this front office for that duration. If things go pear-shaped and you feel like you need to change coaches, do you really want this front office making that selection? Likewise, if you decide to move on from this front office, are you keeping Mosley around?

I'm not bothered. I am a bit concerned at their general lack of activity. I'm relatively pleased with where we are at present, but I'm not all that confident in their ability to rebuild this roster. Does anyone believe that they would've done the only good thing they have accomplished if Gordon didn't ask out? We use our roster and G League affiliate to cycle through non-prospects. We draft in slot and punt 2nd-round picks. In general, it's a front office that lacks initiative and conviction.

[basketballRob]

They probably sold Martins on the 2030 plan when they got hired.

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[shadrock]

I'm for continuity right now.
It hasn't been perfect (non use of 2nd rd picks or late 1sts bother me)
This past draft probably swung them in the approve category vs. fire for me.

You cant see that selling second rounders is a mandate from ownership? Cmon now, what front office person WANTS to trade a pick for cash.

[basketballRob]

We currently have 6 players on rookie-scale contracts that are probably enough

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[MagicStarwipe]

Seems like an obvious move. You're not going to start a new rebuild and not give the people who started it a chance to see it through.

[I Rasharted]

Spoiler:

[j-ragg]

Incredibly low bar we set but that’s the state of the franchise.

[Horcy]

Despite the absolute incomprehensible waste of second round picks I can't think about any complaint from their job in Orlando.
They cleared a big mess, now the organization at least has a direction + they negotiated very good contracts.
The Franz Wagner pick will be remembered as one of the greatest moves in Magic history.

[Magic_Kingdom]

These guys getting rewarded for the team they have built -- or failed to build -- is everything that is wrong with the NBA right now. This team has the worst record in the NBA, no stars, and literally can't win on their home court. I get that we're tanking, but this isn't Year 1 or Year 2 for WeltHam. It's not like they took over and decided to gut the roster so we have to give them some time. This is their *fifth year*. This is *their team*, not Hennigan's. They are the only ones to blame for the position this team is in. Their draft record is nauseating. Their first three top picks were Isaac, Bamba, and Okeke. That means they got *nothing* out of their first three drafts. The highest-paid player on their roster hasn't played since August 2020 and has missed the vast majority of possible games in his career. They spent the first 3 1/2 years on the job doing nothing. They are on their *third* head coach in 5 years. The only good thing they have done is the Vooch trade primarily because they got a good return, but trading your only all-star to become the worst team in the league is not exactly something to brag about. The Gordon trade doesn't look so great a year later (Hampton hasn't progressed and we're paying Harris $20 mil to score 10 ppg). Every home game our arena is filled with the visiting team's fans because the home team is holding out players and actively trying to lose. Their *only* big free agent signing -- Al-Farouq Aminu -- was an absolute disaster. In 4.5 years they haven't drafted, traded for, or signed an all-star caliber player.

Four more years.

[Audi]

Y’all dumping on Weham definitely forgetting just how bad Hennigan was. That Dipo/Sabonis for Ibaka deal still needs to be investigated. Dude came from OKC, agreed to that ridiculousness with OKC, and then went back to OKC and has since been promoted. That’s the kind of stuff I expect from politicians, not GMs.

[JF5]

They've done a a good job...

1. People wanted to just trade AG, Vucevic, AND Fournier when their values were at their lowest. Meaning the magic were going to get mid to late 1st round picks or early 2nd round picks from other teams in those rumor mills back in 2017 when they took over. They maximized all of their values and 2/3 of the guys were traded for a lot more in 2021 than what they would've gotten back in 2017 if trades were made there.

2. They made the playoffs 2 times. Something this team hasn't don't in almost a decade at the time they took over. Though it did slow down a quicker rebuild process. The city/organization needed this after a long time.

3. Talent allocation... They got Fultz (who is a decent prospect at this point) for crumbs and he clearly was a game changer when he got here. Helping the Magic to the playoffs. Drafting Jonathan Issac. Though he is consistently injured was part of the teams success as to why they were able to make the playoffs in back to back years. He is a potential Defensive Player of the year candidate and if he comes back healthy and improved with this new and rebuilt young squad he'd be probably our All-Star/Face of the team. Cole Anthony was a steal with the 15th Pick in a very week draft, and Chuma Okeke has shown flashes of being a solid/good rotation player once the team has all their talent back. Also, drafting Jalen Suggs which is a no brainer but I'd like to add him in.

They Moved Vucevic for Franz Wagner/Wendell Carter/Future 1st round Pick that is yet to be determined. Right now that looks like a win as Franz looks like a All-Star player (Barring Injury) and Wendell looks like he'll be a Borderline All-Star and the New Aged Al Horford. Jury is still out on that 2023 Pick but that is a good trade Chip.

They Moved Gordon for Gary Harris/RJ Hampton/Future 2025 Pick.... Gary Harris is a guy/vet that is turning it around and is a role player that is good team/locker room guy. He is an important piece this team can move forward with during this rebuild. RJ looks like he can also fit the mold of being a 3 and D player once he's got it all figured out. Also, that 2025 Pick looks like it could be a top 5-10 pick. Jury still out for this pick too but its a future trade chip.

Now, they're stealth tanking with them likely ending up with another Top 5 pick once this season is over. Really only sacrificing 1 and 1/2 seasons get all this young talent and draft capital. GIving them a myriad of options to see who they can build around, and also having enough talent to trade to balance off a roster and to get another potential Star player with the core players they have. For a Small Market team its really the best model given how Free-Agency in this day in age is geared towards the big cities.

Only issues/problems I've seen from them is Drafting Mo Bamba, and them holding out players longer than they have too. But again them holding out players longer than they have to at this point seems like its part of the tank. (exception is maybe for Issac who is probably on a different rehab protocol compared to other players given his injury history). Also, the trading of Fournier for Peanuts.

They're headed the right direction. Hopefully they can keep building this team the right way.

[tiderulz]

They've done a a good job...

1. People wanted to just trade AG, Vucevic, AND Fournier when their values were at their lowest. Meaning the magic were going to get mid to late 1st round picks or early 2nd round picks from other teams in those rumor mills back in 2017 when they took over. They maximized all of their values and 2/3 of the guys were traded for a lot more in 2021 than what they would've gotten back in 2017 if trades were made there.

2. They made the playoffs 2 times. Something this team hasn't don't in almost a decade at the time they took over. Though it did slow down a quicker rebuild process. The city/organization needed this after a long time.

3. Talent allocation... They got Fultz (who is a decent prospect at this point) for crumbs and he clearly was a game changer when he got here. Helping the Magic to the playoffs. Drafting Jonathan Issac. Though he is consistently injured was part of the teams success as to why they were able to make the playoffs in back to back years. He is a potential Defensive Player of the year candidate and if he comes back healthy and improved with this new and rebuilt young squad he'd be probably our All-Star/Face of the team. Cole Anthony was a steal with the 15th Pick in a very week draft, and Chuma Okeke has shown flashes of being a solid/good rotation player once the team has all their talent back. Also, drafting Jalen Suggs which is a no brainer but I'd like to add him in.

They Moved Vucevic for Franz Wagner/Wendell Carter/Future 1st round Pick that is yet to be determined. Right now that looks like a win as Franz looks like a All-Star player (Barring Injury) and Wendell looks like he'll be a Borderline All-Star and the New Aged Al Horford. Jury is still out on that 2023 Pick but that is a good trade Chip.

They Moved Gordon for Gary Harris/RJ Hampton/Future 2025 Pick.... Gary Harris is a guy/vet that is turning it around and is a role player that is good team/locker room guy. He is an important piece this team can move forward with during this rebuild. RJ looks like he can also fit the mold of being a 3 and D player once he's got it all figured out. Also, that 2025 Pick looks like it could be a top 5-10 pick. Jury still out for this pick too but its a future trade chip.

Now, they're stealth tanking with them likely ending up with another Top 5 pick once this season is over. Really only sacrificing 1 and 1/2 seasons get all this young talent and draft capital. GIving them a myriad of options to see who they can build around, and also having enough talent to trade to balance off a roster and to get another potential Star player with the core players they have. For a Small Market team its really the best model given how Free-Agency in this day in age is geared towards the big cities.

Only issues/problems I've seen from them is Drafting Mo Bamba, and them holding out players longer than they have too. But again them holding out players longer than they have to at this point seems like its part of the tank. (exception is maybe for Issac who is probably on a different rehab protocol compared to other players given his injury history). Also, the trading of Fournier for Peanuts.

They're headed the right direction. Hopefully they can keep building this team the right way.

Harris is gone. RJ doesnt look to be even get his 4th year right now. And I cant see a Denver team that has Jokic having a top-10 pick (its also top-5 protected).

[Knightro]

We currently have 6 players on rookie-scale contracts that are probably enough

Not if they’re not all good/worth developing.

[pepe1991]

We traded pick for Fultz that turned into Maxey, who averages 17 ppg, 4,5 apg and 3,5 rpg for 23-16 team.

That's clear L trade.

Take Wagner and they have nothing to show for after 5 years.
Being praised for worst record is crazy. It's like rewarding worst worker for putting so little energy. In real world you get fired, in crazy nba world, they got exstension.

[Ducklett]

They've done a a good job...

1. People wanted to just trade AG, Vucevic, AND Fournier when their values were at their lowest. Meaning the magic were going to get mid to late 1st round picks or early 2nd round picks from other teams in those rumor mills back in 2017 when they took over. They maximized all of their values and 2/3 of the guys were traded for a lot more in 2021 than what they would've gotten back in 2017 if trades were made there.

2. They made the playoffs 2 times. Something this team hasn't don't in almost a decade at the time they took over. Though it did slow down a quicker rebuild process. The city/organization needed this after a long time.

3. Talent allocation... They got Fultz (who is a decent prospect at this point) for crumbs and he clearly was a game changer when he got here. Helping the Magic to the playoffs. Drafting Jonathan Issac. Though he is consistently injured was part of the teams success as to why they were able to make the playoffs in back to back years. He is a potential Defensive Player of the year candidate and if he comes back healthy and improved with this new and rebuilt young squad he'd be probably our All-Star/Face of the team. Cole Anthony was a steal with the 15th Pick in a very week draft, and Chuma Okeke has shown flashes of being a solid/good rotation player once the team has all their talent back. Also, drafting Jalen Suggs which is a no brainer but I'd like to add him in.

They Moved Vucevic for Franz Wagner/Wendell Carter/Future 1st round Pick that is yet to be determined. Right now that looks like a win as Franz looks like a All-Star player (Barring Injury) and Wendell looks like he'll be a Borderline All-Star and the New Aged Al Horford. Jury is still out on that 2023 Pick but that is a good trade Chip.

They Moved Gordon for Gary Harris/RJ Hampton/Future 2025 Pick.... Gary Harris is a guy/vet that is turning it around and is a role player that is good team/locker room guy. He is an important piece this team can move forward with during this rebuild. RJ looks like he can also fit the mold of being a 3 and D player once he's got it all figured out. Also, that 2025 Pick looks like it could be a top 5-10 pick. Jury still out for this pick too but its a future trade chip.

Now, they're stealth tanking with them likely ending up with another Top 5 pick once this season is over. Really only sacrificing 1 and 1/2 seasons get all this young talent and draft capital. GIving them a myriad of options to see who they can build around, and also having enough talent to trade to balance off a roster and to get another potential Star player with the core players they have. For a Small Market team its really the best model given how Free-Agency in this day in age is geared towards the big cities.

Only issues/problems I've seen from them is Drafting Mo Bamba, and them holding out players longer than they have too. But again them holding out players longer than they have to at this point seems like its part of the tank. (exception is maybe for Issac who is probably on a different rehab protocol compared to other players given his injury history). Also, the trading of Fournier for Peanuts.

They're headed the right direction. Hopefully they can keep building this team the right way.

Harris is gone. RJ doesnt look to be even get his 4th year right now. And I cant see a Denver team that has Jokic having a top-10 pick (its also top-5 protected).

I am certainly not going to bet money on the Denver pick being top 10, it has a chance seeing as 2025 is a long way away and Denver is already imploding in a lot of ways.

[HOPPZ]

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Also lowest winning percentage in the NBA since their tenure started in 2017.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-teams-record-since-2017

[Bensational]

We traded pick for Fultz that turned into Maxey, who averages 17 ppg, 4,5 apg and 3,5 rpg for 23-16 team.

That's clear L trade.

Take Wagner and they have nothing to show for after 5 years.
Being praised for worst record is crazy. It's like rewarding worst worker for putting so little energy. In real world you get fired, in crazy nba world, they got exstension.

Nah the L there would be that we drafted Cole over Maxey if that’s who we wanted and kept Fultz.

[JF5]

We traded pick for Fultz that turned into Maxey, who averages 17 ppg, 4,5 apg and 3,5 rpg for 23-16 team.

That's clear L trade.

Take Wagner and they have nothing to show for after 5 years.
Being praised for worst record is crazy. It's like rewarding worst worker for putting so little energy. In real world you get fired, in crazy nba world, they got exstension.

That's a narrative twister.

The trade at the time was Fultz for Jonathan Simmons (Who was becoming/became a bench warmer) and a protected top 20 pick. Maxey ended up being the 21st pick. Also, Fultz helped the Magic get into the playoffs with his stellar play in the 2019-2020 season.

Then you add the fact now that the Magic have just as good if not better prospects with Cole Anthony/Jalen Suggs in the backcourt along with Markelle Fultz I doubt anyone is losing sleep about Maxey.

Worst workers? Again, the team went to the playoffs in back-to-back seasons in 2019 and 2020 under the Weham Regime. The first time the organization was able to do that since the Dwight Howard era. If they were bottom feeders and completely sucked THEN an extension wouldn't make any sense. They hit marks the organization hasn't seen and to me they have a crap ton of young and talented assets to work with after dismantling the Vucevic/Gordon/Fournier led teams after just one and half year after this upcoming draft. Usually a process that would take 3-4.

[JF5]

They've done a a good job...

1. People wanted to just trade AG, Vucevic, AND Fournier when their values were at their lowest. Meaning the magic were going to get mid to late 1st round picks or early 2nd round picks from other teams in those rumor mills back in 2017 when they took over. They maximized all of their values and 2/3 of the guys were traded for a lot more in 2021 than what they would've gotten back in 2017 if trades were made there.

2. They made the playoffs 2 times. Something this team hasn't don't in almost a decade at the time they took over. Though it did slow down a quicker rebuild process. The city/organization needed this after a long time.

3. Talent allocation... They got Fultz (who is a decent prospect at this point) for crumbs and he clearly was a game changer when he got here. Helping the Magic to the playoffs. Drafting Jonathan Issac. Though he is consistently injured was part of the teams success as to why they were able to make the playoffs in back to back years. He is a potential Defensive Player of the year candidate and if he comes back healthy and improved with this new and rebuilt young squad he'd be probably our All-Star/Face of the team. Cole Anthony was a steal with the 15th Pick in a very week draft, and Chuma Okeke has shown flashes of being a solid/good rotation player once the team has all their talent back. Also, drafting Jalen Suggs which is a no brainer but I'd like to add him in.

They Moved Vucevic for Franz Wagner/Wendell Carter/Future 1st round Pick that is yet to be determined. Right now that looks like a win as Franz looks like a All-Star player (Barring Injury) and Wendell looks like he'll be a Borderline All-Star and the New Aged Al Horford. Jury is still out on that 2023 Pick but that is a good trade Chip.

They Moved Gordon for Gary Harris/RJ Hampton/Future 2025 Pick.... Gary Harris is a guy/vet that is turning it around and is a role player that is good team/locker room guy. He is an important piece this team can move forward with during this rebuild. RJ looks like he can also fit the mold of being a 3 and D player once he's got it all figured out. Also, that 2025 Pick looks like it could be a top 5-10 pick. Jury still out for this pick too but its a future trade chip.

Now, they're stealth tanking with them likely ending up with another Top 5 pick once this season is over. Really only sacrificing 1 and 1/2 seasons get all this young talent and draft capital. GIving them a myriad of options to see who they can build around, and also having enough talent to trade to balance off a roster and to get another potential Star player with the core players they have. For a Small Market team its really the best model given how Free-Agency in this day in age is geared towards the big cities.

Only issues/problems I've seen from them is Drafting Mo Bamba, and them holding out players longer than they have too. But again them holding out players longer than they have to at this point seems like its part of the tank. (exception is maybe for Issac who is probably on a different rehab protocol compared to other players given his injury history). Also, the trading of Fournier for Peanuts.

They're headed the right direction. Hopefully they can keep building this team the right way.

Harris is gone. RJ doesnt look to be even get his 4th year right now. And I cant see a Denver team that has Jokic having a top-10 pick (its also top-5 protected).

I do believe the Magic plan to keep Harris (which I think they need to do as they need veteran presence and competent veteran play). RJ I feel like will most likely be traded within the next 2 years in a bigger packaged deal. Also, like someone mentioned that Nuggets pick in 2025 might be a prime real estate given Jokic's contract ends in 2023. Not a guarantee he returns given how they're locked into Porter Jr. who gives the team little flexibility over that time.