Magic do NOT extend a Qualifying Offer to Mo Bamba

[jonbob17]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

The idea of a 7' center with a 7'10" wing span that can spread the floor, is going to make sense to a lot of teams in a lot of drafts. Clearly it didn't work out. But there was a reason he was drafted where he was.

[tiderulz]

didnt we just go through no knowledge coming out of our front office? but now info is?

[tiderulz]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

i wont claim to have expected SGA's explosion (though i remember a few people did) but i was calling for Bridges for that pick

[UCF]

If they don’t retain him or sign someone of real value with the space, what a waste. 10 mil is an average player these days. I get the cap hold side of this being a reason not to extend the QO.

[SOUL]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

I disagree. Maybe the first part if we don't get anything for him/or if he signs elsewhere, but not the second part.

This was the 3 years Vuc averaged 18-14-16 and wasn't shooting threes. I think the writing was on the wall for Vuc until he had an all-star season which nobody really saw coming. Completely did a 180 on his image.

Bamba was also mocked widely very highly, most people had him going to Dallas at 5. Trae was a very late riser and was mocked to us a lot, MPJ was mocked higher before injury stuff made him drop, even Kevin Knox had some early hype.

Mikal/SGA were pretty much widely 9-15 on a lot of boards. We obviously *could've pivoted and selected them, but we're using the benefit of hindsight. It would be the equivalent of like, someone picking Sochan or Johnny Davis instead of Ivey and Mathurin at 4-5.

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Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

The idea of a 7' center with a 7'10" wing span that can spread the floor, is going to make sense to a lot of teams in a lot of drafts. Clearly it didn't work out. But there was a reason he was drafted where he was.

With a Center as the focal point of your offense that plays 30mpg in 2017-2018 and 32mpg in 2018-2019?

No, thats doesn't make sense for a 25-57 team with limited upside on offense and DJ Augustine as a starting point guard.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

didnt we just go through no knowledge coming out of our front office? but now info is?

when it's coming from the main Orlando Magic beat writer I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be pumping out false information.

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Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

I disagree. Maybe the first part if we don't get anything for him/or if he signs elsewhere, but not the second part.

This was the 3 years Vuc averaged 18-14-16 and wasn't shooting threes. I think the writing was on the wall for Vuc until he had an all-star season which nobody really saw coming. Completely did a 180 on his image.

Bamba was also mocked widely very highly, most people had him going to Dallas at 5. Trae was a very late riser and was mocked to us a lot, MPJ was mocked higher before injury stuff made him drop, even Kevin Knox had some early hype.

Mikal/SGA were pretty much widely 9-15 on a lot of boards. We obviously *could've pivoted and selected them, but we're using the benefit of hindsight. It would be the equivalent of like, someone picking Sochan or Johnny Davis instead of Ivey and Mathurin at 4-5.

You simply aren't BPA if you can't get on the floor enough to effect games for a bottom dwelling team with a top lotto pick.
I don't care what mock drafts say.

[zaymon]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

i wont claim to have expected SGA's explosion (though i remember a few people did) but i was calling for Bridges for that pick

I was high on WCJ and Bridges. I think Weltman learned a lot from this mistake. You can have both charming character and be low energy person. Bamba is a really good dude, cares about others, but he just doesnt care much about basketball.

[SOUL]

You simply aren't BPA if you can't get on the floor enough to effect games for a bottom dwelling team with a top lotto pick.
I don't care what mock drafts say.

That's not what I'm arguing though?

1. We were in need of a center because of Vuc's decline.
2. Bamba averaged 12/10/4 blocks in Texas and figured to slot in here easier than he did.

Not arguing it's a bad selection, I'm arguing your point because of hindsight. I'm saying you can't say "Ignore the draft boards, ignore Dallas wanting him at 5, ignore the hype around him, select the guys we know are better 4 years later" isn't a realistic take.

It''s the equivalent of a team needing a guard and selecting Ivey or Mathurin. Nobody is batting an eye because both of these guys currently are getting hyped as steals and BPA sort of players, when in actuality there may be better choices in the 9-15 range.

[SOUL]

I was a WCJ guy btw so I'm happy we got him, but I also didn't expect him to pop off this year here either. Thought Chicago might've ruined him a bit.

[Cammo101]

This all stinks of another guy who will go somewhere where he is used correctly and he will thrive there. See also Tobias Harris, Victor Oladipo...

[Nyce_1]

A risk the Magic could run by extending the qualifying offer is Bamba opts into it, diminishing the value of his contract on the trade market. Players who return to a team on the qualifying offer are no longer extension eligible and will become an unrestricted free agent the following season. If the Magic and Bamba agreed to a new deal, it’d allow Orlando to retain his bird rights and have more contract flexibility going forward.

[pepe1991]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

I disagree. Maybe the first part if we don't get anything for him/or if he signs elsewhere, but not the second part.

This was the 3 years Vuc averaged 18-14-16 and wasn't shooting threes. I think the writing was on the wall for Vuc until he had an all-star season which nobody really saw coming. Completely did a 180 on his image.

Bamba was also mocked widely very highly, most people had him going to Dallas at 5. Trae was a very late riser and was mocked to us a lot, MPJ was mocked higher before injury stuff made him drop, even Kevin Knox had some early hype.

Mikal/SGA were pretty much widely 9-15 on a lot of boards. We obviously *could've pivoted and selected them, but we're using the benefit of hindsight. It would be the equivalent of like, someone picking Sochan or Johnny Davis instead of Ivey and Mathurin at 4-5.

ehh.
Go back in 2018.

Magic depth chart at guards is:
PG: Shelvin Mack / DJ Augustin
SG: Evan Fournier/ Terrence Ross

SF: lol what- never had any

Magic depth at PF/C is:
PF: Gordon, Aminu. Isaac
C: Vuc, Biyombo , BIrch


Among PG-SGs not a single one of them had contract lasting more than 2 years, before unrestricted free agency.
Among PF/Cs, all of them but Vuc had longer term contracts.

Once they figured Luka, Trae,Ayton are all gone, it was no point of holding onto pick. Especially because many trades happend after Magic just drafted "their" guy and called a day.

I have similar feelings about current draft, where Weltman created so much smokescreen just to end up being played by himself, drafting only player he didn't work out, to the point where that player didn't even wanted to work out for Magic, reciving wrong messages.

[Skin]

Will wait to see if they use their cap space.

But right now, it stinks. Teams will be chasing him. I was hoping for a S&T in order to recoup some loss value. Letting him leave for nothing does not make sense unless we are planning to use our cap space immediately.

Anfernee or Sexton would be nice.

[The Effect]

Great usage of 6th overall pick that was....

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

Atleast he plays
Isaac also at #6 was a much bigger waste

[jonbob17]

Biggest **** waste ever.

Imagine selecting Mikal Bridges or SGA instead of this guy. Pick didn't make sense in 2018.

The idea of a 7' center with a 7'10" wing span that can spread the floor, is going to make sense to a lot of teams in a lot of drafts. Clearly it didn't work out. But there was a reason he was drafted where he was.

With a Center as the focal point of your offense that plays 30mpg in 2017-2018 and 32mpg in 2018-2019?

No, thats doesn't make sense for a 25-57 team with limited upside on offense and DJ Augustine as a starting point guard.

Vuc averaged 16.5 points, 31% from 3, with a block as a 27 year old in 2017-18. His TS% was 53% , that is pretty bad for a center.
Nobody thought he was anything but a starter on a bad team back then. He certainly wasn't impacting who we drafted that year.

[Knightro]

You simply aren't BPA if you can't get on the floor enough to effect games for a bottom dwelling team with a top lotto pick.
I don't care what mock drafts say.

We've had this debate a million times.

With the benefit of hindsight, of course you're right. But that's because you know how it eventually all played out.

At the time the decision was made, drafting Bamba just wasn't seen as a questionable pick by literally anyone.

Vucevic was, for all intents and purposes, a meaningless center going into in the last year of his contract that virtually everyone thought would be gone in short order and most people thought Bamba was the best player on the board at that point.

It ended up not working out well for the Magic of course, but let's not confuse process and results.

[UCF]

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You simply aren't BPA if you can't get on the floor enough to effect games for a bottom dwelling team with a top lotto pick.
I don't care what mock drafts say.

That's not what I'm arguing though?

1. We were in need of a center because of Vuc's decline.
2. Bamba averaged 12/10/4 blocks in Texas and figured to slot in here easier than he did.

Not arguing it's a bad selection, I'm arguing your point because of hindsight. I'm saying you can't say "Ignore the draft boards, ignore Dallas wanting him at 5, ignore the hype around him, select the guys we know are better 4 years later" isn't a realistic take.

It''s the equivalent of a team needing a guard and selecting Ivey or Mathurin. Nobody is batting an eye because both of these guys currently are getting hyped as steals and BPA sort of players, when in actuality there may be better choices in the 9-15 range.

The point guards on the roster were Augustine, Payton, and Mack in 2017-2018.
The shooting guards were Fournier and Ross.
Simmons was the only other viable wing playing minutes.

They had their feet to the fire at this point in time to "make the playoffs at all costs" for some reason...

And they take Bamba with this information because... Vuc was "declining"? But then in 2018-2019 his numbers significantly go up.

I chalk this up as using common sense to round out a roster, if those were in fact their plans, even with hindsight being "unrealistic" as you say. Even Porter Jr would have made more sense considering he would have actually gotten minutes if you want to use the argument that its all in hindsight.