Ranking Assets (4 Rounds Completed)

jezzerinho · Post #21 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:26 am

Cash money on the table today, it's Franz.

drsd · Post #22 » by **drsd** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:49 pm

MagicMatic wrote:IF the pick lands at #1 it has more value than anyone on the current roster.

No way do I agree with you. Banchero and F-Wagner have shown they are potential all-stars. Wembanyama and Henderson are exciting prospects, but until they are in NBA scrubs, they are unknowns. Example: Wembanyama could be the next Porziņģis, And Henderson could easily be the next Collin Sexton. I would not tab "certain all-star" on either.

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drsd · Post #23 » by **drsd** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:57 pm

ogmagicfan wrote:
Skin wrote:
Def Swami wrote:The answer is probably Paolo. But given the prize, the 10.5% odds of Victor Wembanyama is a close 2nd.

This team wants to win. We're probably picking between 10-16. CHI pick protected. 0% chance at Wemby or Scoot.

There's 0% our pick ends up at 10 or higher, 16 is less than 0%

The computers have the Magic making the playoffs at 1%. That seems about correct in that it is perhaps 10% to make the play-ins and then the Magic has to win two games on the road against a higher ranked team from there. I would think that multiplies out to about 1%.

My point: 1% >>>>>>>> 0%

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Post #24 » by **eyriq** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:10 pm

First round complete, put in your pick for #2. Caleb Houstan added to the poll, Paolo Banchero removed.

Round 1 results
Paolo Banchero 66%
Franz Wagner 21%
Orl 2023 FRP 13%

Post #25 » by **eyriq** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:18 pm

This could be a fun format for building an Orlando Magic draft big board. It would make a retrospective much easier.

Regarding the results so far, pretty much as expected though I'm surprised Paolo pulled away as much as he did. Is Franz as clear a #2 as Paolo is a #1? Do Wemby odds beat out Franz entirely?

VFX · Post #26 » by **VFX** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:27 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:IF the pick lands at #1 it has more value than anyone on the current roster.

No way do I agree with you. Banchero and F-Wagner have shown they are potential all-stars. Wembanyama and Henderson are exciting prospects, but until they are in NBA scrubs, they are unknowns. Example: Wembanyama could be the next Porziņģis, And Henderson could easily be the next Collin Sexton. I would not tab "certain all-star" on either.

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Then you dont believe what every scout and service unanimously has said about Wembanyama being a generational talent.

Paolo and Franz are great players and prospects.

They are not generational talent that changes the game of basketball.

There is no modern comparison for what Wemby is and does.

Post #27 » by **eyriq** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:38 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:IF the pick lands at #1 it has more value than anyone on the current roster.

No way do I agree with you. Banchero and F-Wagner have shown they are potential all-stars. Wembanyama and Henderson are exciting prospects, but until they are in NBA scrubs, they are unknowns. Example: Wembanyama could be the next Porziņģis, And Henderson could easily be the next Collin Sexton. I would not tab "certain all-star" on either.

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Then you dont believe what every scout and service unanimously has said about Wembanyama being a generational talent.

Paolo and Franz are great players and prospects.

They are not generational talent that changes the game of basketball.

There is no modern comparison for what Wemby is and does.

I consider Paolo a generational talent. First team All-NBA, scoring title winning, unstoppable force level of epicness. Like a fusion of Paul Pierce & Carmelo Anthony.

Both players were 6'7 ~230 lbs while Paolo is 6'10 250 lbs... Maybe more like a fusion of Carmelo and Blake. Probably more like Jordan and Bird.

JoshuaPotter · Post #28 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:33 pm

Seeing the Paolo won the last one. If you don't pick Franz. I need one of the best TL DR posts of my life. Followed by the TL DR version.

JoshuaPotter · Post #29 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:41 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:IF the pick lands at #1 it has more value than anyone on the current roster.

No way do I agree with you. Banchero and F-Wagner have shown they are potential all-stars. Wembanyama and Henderson are exciting prospects, but until they are in NBA scrubs, they are unknowns. Example: Wembanyama could be the next Porziņģis, And Henderson could easily be the next Collin Sexton. I would not tab "certain all-star" on either.

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Then you dont believe what every scout and service unanimously has said about Wembanyama being a generational talent.

Paolo and Franz are great players and prospects.

They are not generational talent that changes the game of basketball.

There is no modern comparison for what Wemby is and does.

Now I think you are being too hard.

They might be the generational talent that perfects what this era of basket ball is.

They are young, yet I can see a world where both become a HoF. Both seem to have an "it" factor this early on.

Will they be Lebron level of good? Um. No. Lebron has several things going for his legacy. Will they be Steph Curry good? Again, several unique factors of their legacy.

They could be generational players that just simply don't win a championship ala Barkley and Karl Malone.

Post #30 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:55 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Seeing the Paolo won the last one. If you don't pick Franz. I need one of the best TL DR posts of my life. Followed by the TL DR version.

Yeah, Franz is ruining away with this round.

drsd · Post #31 » by **drsd** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:55 pm

The most likely outcome right now for the Magic picks is one at either 6-or-7 and the other in the 7-to-9 range. Anyone voting for FRPs over four of the current starters really needs to question the logic in that.

Heck: Bol might have more upside value than the future Magic rookies.

Post #32 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:05 pm

drsd wrote:The most likely outcome right now for the Magic picks is one at either 6-or-7 and the other in the 7-to-9 range. Anyone voting for FRPs over four of the current starters really needs to question the logic in that.

Heck: Bol might have more upside value than the future Magic rookies.

It's going to get really interesting in the third round.

purpleswordfish · Post #33 » by **purpleswordfish** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:02 pm

For round 2, it was easy to pick Franz Wagner. He was an impressive rookie. After a small shooting slump at the beginning of this year from 3-pt range, he's really turned it around year 2. He's shown he can play off of Banchero and that's what you'd like to see from your two best young players.

JoshuaPotter · Post #34 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:13 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:For me it is comedic that there are votes for 2023 FRP, over Fultz, Suggs, and Carter. The two FRPs do not have that much value. Historically these selections in the 7-12 range would expect to gain a rotational player leaning towards marginal starter.

The picks do have considerable value, but they are only lotto tickets at this point.

IF the pick lands at #1 it has more value than anyone on the current roster.

While I had a comment about generational talent. On the surface. Yes, modern value alone dictates that this years no 1 has more value then Franz and Paolo.

That isn't even hard to say.

I just like where we are at today.

Post #35 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:15 pm

Second Round Final Results
#2 Franz Wanger with 100% of the votes

Round 3 has started, and this one may be spicy. Franz Wagner is removed from the poll, Gary Harris is added.

JoshuaPotter · Post #36 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:47 pm

The 3rd one is harder, i'm gonna have to think about it. My instinct was the 1st rd pick, but I like Suggs and Isaac presuming both are healthy. Isaac could be a starter on a playoff team and we may regret losing him someday.

JoshuaPotter · Post #37 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:51 pm

I'm gonna go spicy and say free agent either via consolidation trade or via signing like FVV this offseason. I think when we stretch our team out to 2025 the likelihood of us trading away our 23 pick or our having aquired the free agent makes this one a one or the other.

Personally I want to see us target FVV or Ben Simmons for now. If we don't like the price, then i'm defaulting back to the 1st rd pick, so don't be surprised if I pick 1rd rd pick next round if its on the board.

Edit : My decision is based on us not defying any odds and keeping our 5th pick and drafting a Dick type player. I do not think the ping pong balls fall our way to the 1st pick otherwise we all picked our first priority wrong.

Post #38 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:55 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:I'm gonna go spicy and say free agent either via consolidation trade or via signing like FVV this offseason. I think when we stretch our team out to 2025 the likelihood of us trading away our 23 pick or our having aquired the free agent makes this one a one or the other.

Personally I want to see us target FVV or Ben Simmons for now. If we don't like the price, then i'm defaulting back to the 1st rd pick, so don't be surprised if I pick 1rd rd pick next round if its on the board.

Edit : My decision is based on us not defying any odds and keeping our 5th pick and drafting a Dick type player. I do not think the ping pong balls fall our way to the 1st pick otherwise we all picked our first priority wrong.

I love this logic. I think it has the highest likelihood.

JoshuaPotter · Post #39 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:17 pm

Ducklett wrote:2023 PICK (assuming we pick top 4), Franz, Paolo, 2023 Pick (assuming we pick 5-6), Suggs, Isaac, rest

Who is your top 4 that you would value over Franz / Paolo?

Ducklett · Post #40 » by **Ducklett** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:18 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Ducklett wrote:2023 PICK (assuming we pick top 4), Franz, Paolo, 2023 Pick (assuming we pick 5-6), Suggs, Isaac, rest

Who is your top 4 that you would value over Franz / Paolo?

I thought this was strictly a unpicked pick in value. Putting a name on it that isn't Wemby clearly diminishes the value.