2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[RookieStar]

Taking Black means there is a deal to get rid one or two of Fultz Cole Suggs right? I mean... using a high lotto pick for a quality bench might sound iffy but ultimately why not. But taking a high lotto on Black while those 3 are expected to have lota of mins means Black would be regulated to garbage minutes... aka 10-12 mins at average.

Kinda.

He's 6'7 so he can probably play PG/SG and maybe some SF depending on the matchup.

He can't play SG along with any of the 3. For now, those 3 arent really knowm for their 3pt range. You pair any of them with Black, the court will be smaller for Franz and Paolo...

Also, if we don't give Black playmaking duties, we would be in effect limiting his greatest skillset. To.me it's practically making Franz a spot-up shooter. And since Fultz Cole and to an extent Suggs also need playmaking duties....well...

[NatiboyB]

Taking Black means there is a deal to get rid one or two of Fultz Cole Suggs right? I mean... using a high lotto pick for a quality bench might sound iffy but ultimately why not. But taking a high lotto on Black while those 3 are expected to have lota of mins means Black would be regulated to garbage minutes... aka 10-12 mins at average.

Kinda.

He's 6'7 so he can probably play PG/SG and maybe some SF depending on the matchup.

wouldn't that be of use to the Magic? He would be able to backup the 1-3 as we adds to his shot. I don't think Black is a bad fit just not optimal but If he is a gym rat he will improve his shot. With an improved shot does he become a better fit? or would he still be a questionable fit?

[RookieStar]

What the heck is going on here? Did the media group aka his people of this Coliby dude infect our board? How did he rise enough to warrant even a lotto discussion?

[IllMagic04]

People want to get rid of Fultz due to poor shooting but want Black with the 6th pick. Make it make sense? If we take him Fultz or Suggs have to be moved immediately.

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[basketballRob]

Draftnet seems to be closer to where the draft may end up than Tankathon.

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2023

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[bigdogdylan5]

Ok I am going to try to get some of you thinking about this. I think there is a real chance a lot of you are going to be pissed off when we possibly reach a bit at number 6. We’re all too married to these stupid mocks from people. After like the top 3 everyone has flaws and I truly believe the prospect at 15 might not be much difference then the one you get at 6. That’s how weird this lottery is. Then everyone is going to get pissed if we take Kobe Bufkin at like 6 and say we should have traded down which is not always possible. Screw the mocks they were wrong about Paolo and a lot of people wanted to get their pitch forks out after the Franz pick. I just want them to pick their guy(s)

[VFX]

People want to get rid of Fultz due to poor shooting but want Black with the 6th pick. Make it make sense? If we take him Fultz or Suggs have to be moved immediately.

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Fultz can’t defend 3 positions, isnt 6’7, doesn’t get to the FT line, and isnt 19 years old.

Yeah, id move Fultz for beans before paying him $25-$30m next season when I can just draft Cason Wallace or Anthony Black. Suggs is on a rookie deal and is one of the best defenders in the league at the guard spot.

I’m not a huge Anthony Black fan. I just won’t be super upset if Orlando drafts him because of his upside.

[jonbob17]

Are we really sure this LNB Pro A league is all that? G-League looks comparable after a quick look at Tremont Waters, a Wemby teammate that was drafted by the Celtics in the 2nd round. In fact, I'm not really sure the LNB Pro A league is all that compared to the NCAA either.

Man, I really hope these Thompson twins hit so that the OTE gets some legitimacy, my gut says it isn't that bad of a pipeline.

Are you serious?
The LNB Pro A league is a professional grown men league!!!
The NCAA not

Isn't there more depth to this argument? Consider this: how might the Metropolitans 92 fare in the NCAA? They boast a roster of former NCAA athletes, international talent, and Wemby, the sensation. Though a hypothetical scenario, it's not far-fetched to think they might suffer a few losses.

What if we place them in the G-League? They were defeated by Ignite, a team with a less than stellar G-League record, weren't they?

How would a team led by Amen and Ausar measure up?

The label of "professional grown men" is often thrown around, but it could be a bit of a misnomer. NCAA players can earn a professional living now, and star players could potentially earn more than what the LNB Pro A league offers, right? Overtime Elite pays. The G-League pays.

I'm not trying to belittle the Metropolitans' league, but let's be real, it's not exactly pumping out NBA stars. What I'm saying is, shouldn't we all take a moment to think about what would happen if all the different basketball leagues, like the NCAA, G-League and others, played by the same rules? I know this isn't a new idea, but I still find it super interesting. Plus, it's not like there's a simple, black-and-white answer here. It's a complex issue with room for a ton of different viewpoints.

I am sure some of the Europeans on this board have a better handle on this. Outside of this year, what is the French league like the 6th best league in Europe?

To me the G-league not at the same level. The G League has a bunch of recent college players who seemingly missed out on the NBA, and are trying to impress scouts to catch on with a team. The defense is terrible. It's one of the things that worries me about Scoot henderson, and how he couldn't get to the rim in a layup league. 46.5% 2pt FG

The guys that play in Europe, its a career, they get paid wellish, and they get coached and if they don't play good basketball they lose their job. Ultimately that happens to the G League guys too, but they are still chasing the NBA dream.

How does G League compare to the NCAA...that's a more interesting question. Winning still matters in college basketballl.

[bigdogdylan5]

What the heck is going on here? Did the media group aka his people of this Coliby dude infect our board? How did he rise enough to warrant even a lotto discussion?

He is currently playing which probably a bit of bias and out scored Wemby in the semi final and looked really good. He is coming on really strong showing some handle and playmaking upside. He would be a high upside swing. Wouldn’t have a problem with it don’t know if I would do it at 6. He definitely has a promise and I think that affects it to a lot of smart teams in the late lottery. Like if we pass on him at 11 and OKC immediately takes him won’t that make you a little nervous?

[jonbob17]

Latest Mock from Krysten Peek of Yahoo Sports

2. Charlotte Hornets: G Scoot Henderson
Ht./Wt.: 6-2, 196 pounds | G League Ignite

3. Portland Trail Blazers: G/F Brandon Miller
Ht./Wt.: 6-9, 205 pounds | Class: Freshman | Alabama

4. Houston Rockets: G Amen Thompson
Ht./Wt.: 6-7, 202 pounds | Overtime Elite

5. Detroit Pistons: G Cam Whitmore
Ht./Wt.: 6-8, 235 pounds | Class: Freshman | Villanova

6. Orlando Magic: G Anthony Black
Ht./Wt.: 6-7, 196 pounds | Class: Freshman | Arkansas

7. Indiana Pacers: F Jarace Walker
Ht./Wt.: 6-8, 248 pounds | Class: Freshman | Houston

8. Washington Wizards: G Ausar Thompson
Ht./Wt.: 6-7, 209 pounds | Overtime Elite

9. Utah Jazz: G Nick Smith Jr.
Ht./Wt.: 6-5, 185 pounds | Class: Freshman | Arkansas

10. Dallas Mavericks: G/F Taylor Hendricks
Ht./Wt.: 6-9, 210 pounds | Class: Freshman | UCF

11. Orlando Magic: G Gradey Dick
Ht./Wt.: 6-8, 205 pounds | Class: Freshman | Kansas

12. Oklahoma City Thunder: G/F Bilal Coulibaly
Ht./Wt.: 6-6, 220 pounds | Metropolitans 92 (France)

13. Toronto Raptors: G Jordan Hawkins
Ht./Wt.: 6-5, 195 pounds | Class: Sophomore | Connecticut

14. New Orleans Pelicans: G Keyonte George
Ht./Wt.: 6-4, 185 pounds | Class: Freshman | Baylor

https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-9-latest-projections-after-ncaa-withdrawal-deadline-and-first-round-risers-201711142.html

AB at 6 and Gradey at 11 makes so much sense for us. Gives us so much flexibility to make moves. If JI is finally healthy, and the team stays healthy, playoffs (not play-in) is not out of the question IMO.

Are we comfortable calling Black a PG? I'd call him more of a wing with guard skills. Nothing wrong with that. I think Amen and maybe Ausar fall into that category as well. Just not sure Black is going to be a lead ball handler.

Black can dribble, pass, and defend. Decent athlete could get to the rim. The shooting is the big swing skill.

If we were to draft Black and Dick, seems like that would really be 2 guys more suited for SG with a little time at SF and maybe Black a little at the 1. I still like Suggs as the longterm solution at SG, you can never have too many wings, but in this case...maybe, i guess i'd prefer guys able to defend more positions. Black seems like he will....of course we need the shooting...I guess if we were getting Black with Gradey's shooting we would be talking about the 2nd overall pick.

[djguevara114]

https://www.nba.com/news/bleacher-report-2023-mock-draft-june-5

Would absolutely love this….

[RookieStar]

What the heck is going on here? Did the media group aka his people of this Coliby dude infect our board? How did he rise enough to warrant even a lotto discussion?

He is currently playing which probably a bit of bias and out scored Wemby in the semi final and looked really good. He is coming on really strong showing some handle and playmaking upside. He would be a high upside swing. Wouldn’t have a problem with it don’t know if I would do it at 6. He definitely has a promise and I think that affects it to a lot of smart teams in the late lottery. Like if we pass on him at 11 and OKC immediately takes him won’t that make you a little nervous?

Recency bias. Got it.

Its like the draft of yester-years where unanimous #1 Cade was supposed to be supplanted by Suggs/Mobley because they lead their team farther down the ncaa championship road and thus had more screen time for casual fans.

[Petre1978]

https://www.nba.com/news/bleacher-report-2023-mock-draft-june-5

Would absolutely love this….

Me too!

[Knightro]

People want to get rid of Fultz due to poor shooting but want Black with the 6th pick. Make it make sense? If we take him Fultz or Suggs have to be moved immediately.

Fultz still can't and won't shoot at age 25 going into year 7 in the NBA.

Black can't shoot *right now*, but the idea is that A. he won't be scared to shoot and B. he will develop his shooting to at least a workable in due time.

[Knightro]

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[Blue_and_Whte]

I pray we draft Bilal Coulibaly with either #6 or #11.
Does anybody watch his film and see a young T-mac with 7'3ft wingspan? This fits the WeHam pick philosophy and I'm all for it.

Man that hype train is real..

[Nyce_1]

https://www.nba.com/news/bleacher-report-2023-mock-draft-june-5

Would absolutely love this….

First mock with Coulibaly going 11.

I like both players, Black & Bilal.

[Ducklett]

I smell trading 6 for 12 and OKC's package of future 1sts, grabbing Bilal and best shooter available, and using the picks from OKC and our own future firsts for the next disgruntled young superstar.

Honestly, after watching some of the Wemby/Bilal gameplay from the playoffs, I can't imagine our front office passing up a foreign hyped stretch armstrong.

[Knightro]

Are we comfortable calling Black a PG? I'd call him more of a wing with guard skills. Nothing wrong with that. I think Amen and maybe Ausar fall into that category as well. Just not sure Black is going to be a lead ball handler.

Black can dribble, pass, and defend. Decent athlete could get to the rim. The shooting is the big swing skill.

If we were to draft Black and Dick, seems like that would really be 2 guys more suited for SG with a little time at SF and maybe Black a little at the 1. I still like Suggs as the longterm solution at SG, you can never have too many wings, but in this case...maybe, i guess i'd prefer guys able to defend more positions. Black seems like he will....of course we need the shooting...I guess if we were getting Black with Gradey's shooting we would be talking about the 2nd overall pick.

I think Black is capable of being a full time on the ball point guard. There will be some growing pains because he's so young and he isn't a good shooter right now.

That said...

If the Magic think he's a wing with guard skills as you said, I probably just wouldn't pick him.

I think he can defend off-ball guards and wings, but offensively I think his lack of shooting and sky high FT rate mean he's going to have be on the ball to be most effective.

[Petre1978]

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