Position Battles: SG

[Skybox]

Herro

[Ralof]

Has to be Suggs,not even close.
If he can not be a starter,beating G.Harris competition,is a problem.

2handle max shooting guard,taking just the shots opposite D would allow him,and guarding the best guard on opposit team.

-Fultz-Suggs
-Anthony-Black

after twenty games i hope the guards rotation would be like this.

[JoshuaPotter]

Realist in me says it will be same ol G Harris. So that is who I voted for.

Optimistic me that hope Suggs takes the leap that made us pick him so high? Suggs. I hope he turns into a Klay Thompson type.

What am I going to get? Who knows.

[bigdogdylan5]

I'm sure Weltman wants the best for Suggs, including hoping that he improves and turns into an All-Star. Simple fact of the matter is that he is incapable of it. He doesn't have the handle or the shooting chops to get the job done. Those weaknesses were assessed and that's the reason why we drafted Jett Howard. Jett may get overwritten before his rookie contract is over too, but that's just where the state of the team is at. We are churning through bodies hoping that cream rises to the top. Players won't get 4-5 years to prove themselves.

Suggs is a specialist. ...and right now, he's in a competition for 6th man against Cole Anthony. Our roster NEEDS the outside shooting that Howard can provide. The team talks about leveling up. Having a shooting guard who will draw attention is how the Magic can take the next step forward. It shouldn't take long for Mosely to figure that out, so I voted Howard.

He has 2 years to show us what he can do. ...or else he may be the next player on the outs with a new shiny draft pick or veteran star to take him out.

Gary Harris can't counter perimeter defense by attacking the rim. Jett has the handle, he just needs to finish.

I just can’t wrap my head around using words like incapable or will never in regard to 22 year olds kid. Like I think we could all agree the Oladipo trade was a disaster and should have never happened. I actually think at this time in their careers Suggs is better. His shooting from a percentage less is slightly less but not by a significant factor. To me a wash but Suggs defense is better. Who knows where his career will go but the guy is still 3 years away from his prime.

Why does everyone want to slam on the gas? Our best players are 20 and 21. Paolo and Franz are not ready to make noise in the playoffs and have to get better. Yes we are no longer tanking but these young players that everyone casts aside still need to be evaluated as well. More evaluation is not a waste it is needed because if we throw away the wrong guy too early we could really regret it.

[Residual-Heat]

I'm sure Weltman wants the best for Suggs, including hoping that he improves and turns into an All-Star. Simple fact of the matter is that he is incapable of it. He doesn't have the handle or the shooting chops to get the job done. Those weaknesses were assessed and that's the reason why we drafted Jett Howard. Jett may get overwritten before his rookie contract is over too, but that's just where the state of the team is at. We are churning through bodies hoping that cream rises to the top. Players won't get 4-5 years to prove themselves.

Suggs is a specialist. ...and right now, he's in a competition for 6th man against Cole Anthony. Our roster NEEDS the outside shooting that Howard can provide. The team talks about leveling up. Having a shooting guard who will draw attention is how the Magic can take the next step forward. It shouldn't take long for Mosely to figure that out, so I voted Howard.

He has 2 years to show us what he can do. ...or else he may be the next player on the outs with a new shiny draft pick or veteran star to take him out.

Gary Harris can't counter perimeter defense by attacking the rim. Jett has the handle, he just needs to finish.

I just can’t wrap my head around using words like incapable or will never in regard to 22 year olds kid. Like I think we could all agree the Oladipo trade was a disaster and should have never happened. I actually think at this time in their careers Suggs is better. His shooting from a percentage less is slightly less but not by a significant factor. To me a wash but Suggs defense is better. Who knows where his career will go but the guy is still 3 years away from his prime.

Why does everyone want to slam on the gas? Our best players are 20 and 21. Paolo and Franz are not ready to make noise in the playoffs and have to get better. Yes we are no longer tanking but these young players that everyone casts aside still need to be evaluated as well. More evaluation is not a waste it is needed because if we throw away the wrong guy too early we could really regret it.

yep, Oladipo was a year older than Suggs when he came into the league.
At age 21, per 36 mins:

Oladipo: 16 PPG 42-FG%, 32.7-3pt%, TS% 51.4, 4.7 apg, 4.8rpg, 1.9stls, 0.5bpg 3.7 TO

Suggs: 15.5 PPG, 42% FG, 32.7 3pt%, TS% 52.8, 4.5apg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 stls, 0.8bpg. 2.7 TO

That doesnt mean we should expect Suggs to develop into an all-star but its like you said we need to give him more time.

[eyriq]

I'm sure Weltman wants the best for Suggs, including hoping that he improves and turns into an All-Star. Simple fact of the matter is that he is incapable of it. He doesn't have the handle or the shooting chops to get the job done. Those weaknesses were assessed and that's the reason why we drafted Jett Howard. Jett may get overwritten before his rookie contract is over too, but that's just where the state of the team is at. We are churning through bodies hoping that cream rises to the top. Players won't get 4-5 years to prove themselves.

Suggs is a specialist. ...and right now, he's in a competition for 6th man against Cole Anthony. Our roster NEEDS the outside shooting that Howard can provide. The team talks about leveling up. Having a shooting guard who will draw attention is how the Magic can take the next step forward. It shouldn't take long for Mosely to figure that out, so I voted Howard.

He has 2 years to show us what he can do. ...or else he may be the next player on the outs with a new shiny draft pick or veteran star to take him out.

Gary Harris can't counter perimeter defense by attacking the rim. Jett has the handle, he just needs to finish.

I just can’t wrap my head around using words like incapable or will never in regard to 22 year olds kid. Like I think we could all agree the Oladipo trade was a disaster and should have never happened. I actually think at this time in their careers Suggs is better. His shooting from a percentage less is slightly less but not by a significant factor. To me a wash but Suggs defense is better. Who knows where his career will go but the guy is still 3 years away from his prime.

Why does everyone want to slam on the gas? Our best players are 20 and 21. Paolo and Franz are not ready to make noise in the playoffs and have to get better. Yes we are no longer tanking but these young players that everyone casts aside still need to be evaluated as well. More evaluation is not a waste it is needed because if we throw away the wrong guy too early we could really regret it.

yep, Oladipo was a year older than Suggs when he came into the league.
At age 21, per 36 mins:

Oladipo: 16 PPG 42-FG%, 32.7-3pt%, TS% 51.4, 4.7 apg, 4.8rpg, 1.9stls, 0.5bpg 3.7 TO

Suggs: 15.5 PPG, 42% FG, 32.7 3pt%, TS% 52.8, 4.5apg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 stls, 0.8bpg. 2.7 TO

That doesnt mean we should expect Suggs to develop into an all-star but its like you said we need to give him more time.

Talk dirty to me.

I'm definitely in the camp that thinks Suggs could get back on track as a rising star.

[Skin]

I'm sure Weltman wants the best for Suggs, including hoping that he improves and turns into an All-Star. Simple fact of the matter is that he is incapable of it. He doesn't have the handle or the shooting chops to get the job done. Those weaknesses were assessed and that's the reason why we drafted Jett Howard. Jett may get overwritten before his rookie contract is over too, but that's just where the state of the team is at. We are churning through bodies hoping that cream rises to the top. Players won't get 4-5 years to prove themselves.

Suggs is a specialist. ...and right now, he's in a competition for 6th man against Cole Anthony. Our roster NEEDS the outside shooting that Howard can provide. The team talks about leveling up. Having a shooting guard who will draw attention is how the Magic can take the next step forward. It shouldn't take long for Mosely to figure that out, so I voted Howard.

He has 2 years to show us what he can do. ...or else he may be the next player on the outs with a new shiny draft pick or veteran star to take him out.

Gary Harris can't counter perimeter defense by attacking the rim. Jett has the handle, he just needs to finish.

I just can’t wrap my head around using words like incapable or will never in regard to 22 year olds kid. Like I think we could all agree the Oladipo trade was a disaster and should have never happened. I actually think at this time in their careers Suggs is better. His shooting from a percentage less is slightly less but not by a significant factor. To me a wash but Suggs defense is better. Who knows where his career will go but the guy is still 3 years away from his prime.

Why does everyone want to slam on the gas? Our best players are 20 and 21. Paolo and Franz are not ready to make noise in the playoffs and have to get better. Yes we are no longer tanking but these young players that everyone casts aside still need to be evaluated as well. More evaluation is not a waste it is needed because if we throw away the wrong guy too early we could really regret it.

yep, Oladipo was a year older than Suggs when he came into the league.
At age 21, per 36 mins:

Oladipo: 16 PPG 42-FG%, 32.7-3pt%, TS% 51.4, 4.7 apg, 4.8rpg, 1.9stls, 0.5bpg 3.7 TO

Suggs: 15.5 PPG, 42% FG, 32.7 3pt%, TS% 52.8, 4.5apg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 stls, 0.8bpg. 2.7 TO

That doesnt mean we should expect Suggs to develop into an all-star but its like you said we need to give him more time.

As someone who loved Oladipo and wanted to give him every chance, this comparison helps me see things differently with Suggs. He is definitely still very young. He has shown flashes that we can't completely ignore.

[Def Swami]

I just can’t wrap my head around using words like incapable or will never in regard to 22 year olds kid. Like I think we could all agree the Oladipo trade was a disaster and should have never happened. I actually think at this time in their careers Suggs is better. His shooting from a percentage less is slightly less but not by a significant factor. To me a wash but Suggs defense is better. Who knows where his career will go but the guy is still 3 years away from his prime.

Why does everyone want to slam on the gas? Our best players are 20 and 21. Paolo and Franz are not ready to make noise in the playoffs and have to get better. Yes we are no longer tanking but these young players that everyone casts aside still need to be evaluated as well. More evaluation is not a waste it is needed because if we throw away the wrong guy too early we could really regret it.

yep, Oladipo was a year older than Suggs when he came into the league.
At age 21, per 36 mins:

Oladipo: 16 PPG 42-FG%, 32.7-3pt%, TS% 51.4, 4.7 apg, 4.8rpg, 1.9stls, 0.5bpg 3.7 TO

Suggs: 15.5 PPG, 42% FG, 32.7 3pt%, TS% 52.8, 4.5apg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 stls, 0.8bpg. 2.7 TO

That doesnt mean we should expect Suggs to develop into an all-star but its like you said we need to give him more time.

As someone who loved Oladipo and wanted to give him every chance, this comparison helps me see things differently with Suggs. He is definitely still very young. He has shown flashes that we can't completely ignore.

I feel like Suggs' rookie year was so bad that it still clouds how much of an improvement he made from year 1 to year 2. The 3 point shooting going from 21% --> 33% in 1 season was super encouraging, especially the kind of 3's he was taking and making. It was way more reflective of his 1 season at Gonzaga.

[bigdogdylan5]

yep, Oladipo was a year older than Suggs when he came into the league.
At age 21, per 36 mins:

Oladipo: 16 PPG 42-FG%, 32.7-3pt%, TS% 51.4, 4.7 apg, 4.8rpg, 1.9stls, 0.5bpg 3.7 TO

Suggs: 15.5 PPG, 42% FG, 32.7 3pt%, TS% 52.8, 4.5apg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 stls, 0.8bpg. 2.7 TO

That doesnt mean we should expect Suggs to develop into an all-star but its like you said we need to give him more time.

As someone who loved Oladipo and wanted to give him every chance, this comparison helps me see things differently with Suggs. He is definitely still very young. He has shown flashes that we can't completely ignore.

I feel like Suggs' rookie year was so bad that it still clouds how much of an improvement he made from year 1 to year 2. The 3 point shooting going from 21% --> 33% in 1 season was super encouraging, especially the kind of 3's he was taking and making. It was way more reflective of his 1 season at Gonzaga.

This is so true. His numbers were so bad in season 1 they do hang over like a cloud till he proves those were the aberration.

[drsd]

I feel like Suggs' rookie year was so bad that it still clouds how much of an improvement he made from year 1 to year 2. The 3 point shooting going from 21% --> 33% in 1 season was super encouraging, especially the kind of 3's he was taking and making. It was way more reflective of his 1 season at Gonzaga.

This is so true. His numbers were so bad in season 1 they do hang over like a cloud till he proves those were the aberration.

For me now, I see Suggs upside to be something like Arron Afflalo. Good player. But not a player to focus a roster on.

[BadMofoPimp]

Would like Suggs to take the next step in his development, but hard to deny Harris shooting as he is probably at his prime. Suggs may not be ready to overtake him this year. Maybe next.

[Bakomagic]

I like Suggs to start with Fultz. If the shooting continues to hold the team back, they are not long for our team anyway so put them out there and let’s get the confirmation we need to make a decision. That way they can also be showcased for a mid season trade.

I like Cole and AB off the bench and Jett and Gary should alternate between DNP every other game imo until one shows they deserve time over the other.

Injuries will inevitably open up time for Guards as they season progress’s.

Honestly I like that we have a glut. It breeds competition, provides depth for injuries and allows for a consolidation trade to combine with draft picks to acquire the next disgruntled star.

[RichCollab]

Cole is at least the 4th option at SG. I could put him 3rd.

Suggs
Harris
Cole
Jett

[pepe1991]

IF goal is to win as many games as they can and make push for playoffs, Harris will be starter and Ingles will be in rotation.


Fultz, Suggs, Banchero and WCJ in same lineup would mean best shooter among them is center who is below average shooter for career. It sounds like dumb idea, probably because it is dumb idea.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Herro

Would be epic

[MagicFan101]

Herro

[MagicFan101]

I WANT Jalen Suggs to step up and win this job

Suggs grew from a 21.4% to a 32.7% shooter from 3 between years 1 and 2 on about 4 attempts per game each year.

Can he make a similar leap this year?


If he can hit the spot up 3s at an improved rate yet again while we run the offense through our stat forwards then Suggs would be a fantastic starter given his physicality and defense.

Let’s see. Fingers crossed.

[fendilim]

Suggs.

Sf and Pf are kinda given already.

We need a perimeter defender in our SL.

[Max Power]

I’m with the masses on this one. I think you start Suggs at the 2. We’ve gotta give him the shot to earn it. Harris is a solid, yet unspectacular vet. I think if leveling up is the goal, Suggs is the guy you start because at the very least he’ll be solid on offense and a high impact defender.

[Bensational]

Whatever happens, I think by the season’s end Suggs is the starter, if we’re within reach of play-ins or if we’re out of it. Unless Suggs looks terrible all season, I suspect WePark and Mosley want Suggs to be a significant part of the playoff rally and push since he’s likely within the core of the team. If we’re losing, there’s no point not gifting minutes to the young guys by that point anyway.