Should Orlando Magic Secretly Offer Whatever It Takes For Giannis?

[T-Cat]

The Magic aren't going to trade the whole roster for one player until they see what they have already. We have no idea what the ceiling is of our current roster. We could have 5 allstars on the roster already, we don't know.

We had TMac in his prime and only won 20-something games.

We turned over the whole roster to get TMac and Grant Hill. In hindsight, we should've kept Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups and had tons of flexibility and draft picks. No one knew Billups was going to be a 7x all-star, and Wallace was going to be a 4x defensive player of the year.








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Interesting point! We all remember when the Knicks traded basically all their useful players for a young Carmelo!!

Also to add to your point, the only way Giannis likens Orlando in a potential destination is we are:

A.We are a rising force in the Eastern Conference with our young talent this upcoming season!

B. We make a trade for another marquee player like Luka probably mid season! Without giving up too much talent,, Giannis could possibly join us in free agency!

[drsd]

Banchero isn't Lebron. It's just silly. Lebron was most hyped player in nba history, Banchero wasn't sure-shot-first -overall pick up until hour before draft. He is high volumen scorer today. What he will be ? Who knows. NBA is filled with "next big thing " that never lived to a hype. For crying out loud, most GMs would rather take Victor over Banchero today with Victor having 0 games played.



Giannis vs Banchero debate really isn't worth entertaining, imagine it's 2011 and you are arguing you would take Blake Griffin over Lebron . That's pretty much execlly same case. You would probably also guarantee that Lebron never win title. Lot of people did. Lebron was ringless, got as****ped by some random scrub from Dallas in finals. Dwarfed by Dirk.

For me Banchero's upside is Chris Webber. But the Blake Griffin view is also interesting.

The reality is that Antetokounmpo is nearly a perfect player in the modern NBA. On offense he excelles at everything except accurate volume shooting from distance. On defense he is a perfect player.

Banchero will be a scoring machine in the NBA and he could very well bring back an old-school approach of getting all his three-pointers: loads of and-1's (a Karl Malone or Tim Duncan approach to scoring).

Personally I would kind of like to see Antetokounmpo on a super team.
I will make a perfect team: Tyrese Haliburton, Luke Kennard, Jayson Tatum, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Steven Adams.
That would the most balanced NBA roster in history. And it isn't that insane. It is not an NBA Allstar team.
Haliburton for assists. Elite shooting from Kennard to open space, dominant scoring from Tatum and Antetokounmpo, and elite pick setting by Adams. On defense, Oh my would this be a roster. That roster would average wins of +20 per game.

My point: it is reasonable to think it is possible for Antetokounmpo to be next to another max player assembled into a perfect roster that could, perhaps, go undefeated over an 82-game season. It won't happen. But it is plausible.

In conclusion, Boston should make a run at Antetokounmpo. He would look great next to Tatum.


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[drsd]

Interesting point! We all remember when the Knicks traded basically all their useful players for a young Carmelo!!

Also to add to your point, the only way Giannis likens Orlando in a potential destination is we are:

A.We are a rising force in the Eastern Conference with our young talent this upcoming season!

B. We make a trade for another marquee player like Luka probably mid season! Without giving up too much talent,, Giannis could possibly join us in free agency!

So: trade Banchero for Antetokounmpo and F-Wagner for Dončić; hard to argue that that's a roster upgrade.

Seriously though: I can see the Mavs making a run at Antetokounmpo. He and Dončić would be the best super-team tandem one could envisage on the court of all of today's NBA players.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Giannis will ask to go to greener pastures, not to the Orlando Magic. I'm not giving up players for someone who would just leave after his contract is up if the Bucks were crazy enough to trade him.

[fendilim]

No.

If he is leaving his current Bucks team, what makes you think he’ll stay here when we bottom out our team just to bring him in? Lol

[pepe1991]

Ring count at age of 28
Lebron 0
Shaq 1
Larry Bird 1
Kareem 1
Steph 2 (won second at age of 28)
Durant 1 ( won at age of 28 first)
Jokic 1

Verey selective few won multiple championships at that age, mostly due how nba is constructed.


Giannis is easly one of most dominant players since Shaq. He isn't injury prone ( never played less than 61 games ), and even if he declines, very, very, very few players can actually contain his physicality as guy is 6'11- 250 pounds -7'3 wingspan- built like a greek god player. For crying out loud,guy averages 32-12-6-1-1. Those are cartoonish numbers . In nba finals he scored 50 in last game to win title.

I don't believe he will be finals mvp again ever.

You realize that next time Giannis is FA about 30 teams will try to make superteam around him to guarantee him cakewalk to nba finals and eventual championship, right? Execlly what Heat, Cavs, Lakers did to Lebron. That's why it's important to know that most nba superstars didn't won many rings at his age, because they were stuck on mediocre teams that didn't know how to build around them.

Banchero isn't Lebron. It's just silly. Lebron was most hyped player in nba history, Banchero wasn't sure-shot-first -overall pick up until hour before draft. He is high volumen scorer today. What he will be ? Who knows. NBA is filled with "next big thing " that never lived to a hype. For crying out loud, most GMs would rather take Victor over Banchero today with Victor having 0 games played.

Giannis vs Banchero debate really isn't worth entertaining, imagine it's 2011 and you are arguing you would take Blake Griffin over Lebron . That's pretty much execlly same case. You would probably also guarantee that Lebron never win title. Lot of people did. Lebron was ringless, got as****ped by some random scrub from Dallas in finals. Dwarfed by Dirk.

I would never took Blake over Lebron beacause Blake came in the league injured, my whole point is injury. Only guards can recover 100% from a big injury, Curry, Kobe, Jordan lots of examples... Lots of examples PFs and Cs can't recover 100%. You said Giannis played every year 60 more games, yeah and he was dominant almost like Shaq, so that will cost him soon. 28 years not the same for a guy who is dominant inside the paint and don't have outside game.

With a superteam Giannis can win rings, but i highly doubt over 30 he will be the number 1 player on that team, he can be a 2nd option like AD or Shaq in Miami. And the shooting guard takes the finals mvp like Wade.

Giannis has 2 more dominant years in NBA, and he will go with maximum effort, and with Bucks, and he will be injured because of that.

Banchero's favourite player is Lebron and he is copying his moves and mentality. Also he has the body for it. It's promising. Giannis with a back injury is not promising.



You are the guy who thinks AD is a walking glass but Giannis has no injuries. AD played first six seasons more than 60 games, maximum effort with a horrible team, thats the price, the injury. Giannis is injured now and he will be more. He is a damaged product, just open the box man.

I would never took Blake over Lebron beacause Blake came in the league injured, my whole point is injury.

Blake was viewed as future of a league in 2011. 22-12-4 at age of 21. His defacto rookie year ( well, didn't play in first year at all).
Massive hype.

Lebron at that point is 28, ringless and people start to turn on him as loser. It's easy to say you wouldn't take him today, knowing how that played out, but in similar fashion it's not outside relm of possibility that Giannis changes team, wins 1,2,3 more rings and Banchero just capps out as great player but not groundbreaking superstar.

Only guards can recover 100% from a big injury, Curry, Kobe, Jordan lots of examples

What big injury Giannis had tho? He had cleanup knee injury that is routine.

Banchero's favourite player is Lebron and he is copying his moves and mentality. Also he has the body for it. It's promising. Giannis with a back injury is not promising.

And? He ain't Lebron. He is nowhere near as athletic, mobile, celebral nor has his floor vision.
Also Giannis never had back surgery so i struggle to understand your point? He had back *injury* this year, that he recovered from, but his offseason surgery isn't on his back. I assume you thought he had back surgery. He didn't.

You are the guy who thinks AD is a walking glass but Giannis has no injuries

Wtf ?

List of games Giannis missed:
2013-14: 5
2014-15: 1
2015-16: 2
2016-17: 2
2017-18: 7
2018-19: 10
2019-20: 10
2020-21: 11
2021-22: 15
2022-23: 19


So in past 10 years, GIannis missed 82 games. 8 games per year.

Anthony Davis has missed 104 games in past 3 years alone . It's ridicilous comparison.

He is a damaged product, just open the box man.

This is ridicilous.

Read on Twitter

You base all you said based on this. Freak accident. Ugly fall. Most players would be out with broken back and surgery. Giannis returned same game, sucked, suffered, but had no surgery.
There is also no guarantee that somebody like Banchero, at 6'10, 250 pounds, won't roll his ankle today and suffer for rest of his career because of it. You know what Giannis is. Top 3 nba player. You just assume what Banchero can be based on potential. 99% of players never reach their potential.

[KillMonger]

sure....everybody except paolo and franz would be on the table

[OrlandoSaban]

The ENTIRE team should be trade bait with the exception of Paolo. They are all trash except for him

[drsd]

The ENTIRE team should be trade bait with the exception of Paolo. They are all trash except for him

Herr Wagner is very angry with you.

[MasterGMer]

I think once we traded for Giannis, we are automatically had either built a Championship team or would do it sooner. Giannis only has two years left on his contract and the third year is a player option. If we traded everything for him, he has to stay. That is why we have to have a Championship contending team with him.

The league is super competitive. Just look at the roster around East and West Elite. We have the Suns with KD, Booker, Beal and Ayton. We have Boston with Brown, Tatum and Porzingis. We have Miami Heat possibly with Damian Lillard, JB, Bam and Herro. We have Lakers, GSW and even Clippers.

We have to upgrade our roster. We have to. Yes, we are two deep now. But they are all young players. For a team that has an aspiration to go to Playoff, we need a star or two. If we want Championship contending, we need even more

The model Orlando Magic built this team relied on the Draft. But in a year or two, we have decisions to make. What is it? We have to extend Franz and Paolo. Even Cole, Suggs and Markelle will be faced with that question. Right now, I am seeing our 60M Cap Space next offseason as nothing. Because we have to pay our rookie contract players. So why not avoiding that choice and trade for someone like the caliber of Giannis? While keeping the Salary Cap and upgrade even further.

We started with this rebuild to win Championships! If that is the goal, why not doing it now or sooner! Go Magic!

[Magic#1]

I think once we traded for Giannis, we are automatically had either built a Championship team or would do it sooner. Giannis only has two years left on his contract and the third year is a player option. If we traded everything for him, he has to stay. That is why we have to have a Championship contending team with him.

The league is super competitive. Just look at the roster around East and West Elite. We have the Suns with KD, Booker, Beal and Ayton. We have Boston with Brown, Tatum and Porzingis. We have Miami Heat possibly with Damian Lillard, JB, Bam and Herro. We have Lakers, GSW and even Clippers.

We have to upgrade our roster. We have to. Yes, we are two deep now. But they are all young players. For a team that has an aspiration to go to Playoff, we need a star or two. If we want Championship contending, we need even more

The model Orlando Magic built this team relied on the Draft. But in a year or two, we have decisions to make. What is it? We have to extend Franz and Paolo. Even Cole, Suggs and Markelle will be faced with that question. Right now, I am seeing our 60M Cap Space next offseason as nothing. Because we have to pay our rookie contract players. So why not avoiding that choice and trade for someone like the caliber of Giannis? While keeping the Salary Cap and upgrade even further.

We started with this rebuild to win Championships! If that is the goal, why not doing it now or sooner! Go Magic!

Because it takes time and we are not ready for a championship even with Giannis. The goal is to win championships, and we have to allow our young players to develop, build chemistry and culture together. The vast majority of teams have to lose in the playoffs for a bit before they are ready to contend. Then they make the moves for the best players to put themselves over the top. Right now we hopefully have a Tatum-esque piece (Paolo) and a Brown level piece (Franz). Let them develop. Let others develop. Aim for the play-in/playoffs this year. Aim for the second round in '25. Let other players see we got a good thing going on, and wait for the right star to be interested who wants out. We will have pieces to trade. Maybe it will be Luka. Maybe it will be Booker. Maybe another up and coming player.

[VFX]

This thread is hilarious. Thanks.

This is why Orlando doesn't deserve nice things.

[MasterGMer]

I think once we traded for Giannis, we are automatically had either built a Championship team or would do it sooner. Giannis only has two years left on his contract and the third year is a player option. If we traded everything for him, he has to stay. That is why we have to have a Championship contending team with him.

The league is super competitive. Just look at the roster around East and West Elite. We have the Suns with KD, Booker, Beal and Ayton. We have Boston with Brown, Tatum and Porzingis. We have Miami Heat possibly with Damian Lillard, JB, Bam and Herro. We have Lakers, GSW and even Clippers.

We have to upgrade our roster. We have to. Yes, we are two deep now. But they are all young players. For a team that has an aspiration to go to Playoff, we need a star or two. If we want Championship contending, we need even more

The model Orlando Magic built this team relied on the Draft. But in a year or two, we have decisions to make. What is it? We have to extend Franz and Paolo. Even Cole, Suggs and Markelle will be faced with that question. Right now, I am seeing our 60M Cap Space next offseason as nothing. Because we have to pay our rookie contract players. So why not avoiding that choice and trade for someone like the caliber of Giannis? While keeping the Salary Cap and upgrade even further.

We started with this rebuild to win Championships! If that is the goal, why not doing it now or sooner! Go Magic!

Because it takes time and we are not ready for a championship even with Giannis. The goal is to win championships, and we have to allow our young players to develop, build chemistry and culture together. The vast majority of teams have to lose in the playoffs for a bit before they are ready to contend. Then they make the moves for the best players to put themselves over the top. Right now we hopefully have a Tatum-esque piece (Paolo) and a Brown level piece (Franz). Let them develop. Let others develop. Aim for the play-in/playoffs this year. Aim for the second round in '25. Let other players see we got a good thing going on, and wait for the right star to be interested who wants out. We will have pieces to trade. Maybe it will be Luka. Maybe it will be Booker. Maybe another up and coming player.

I agree with most of your point. But here is mine

We are two deep or three deep in every position. However, they are all on Rookie Contracts or young players with potential.

Magic is considered by most in the NBA that we are ready to make a big trade or signing. Why? Because we have the assets

I agree with the route of internal development and that is exactly the reason for us to make a big change like Giannis. What is it? Too much YOUTH.

I am not saying Trading for Giannis would get us done. We can still make moves to get good or great players. Even work on the magic with Free Agency.

However, I am not seeing this conservative FO would do that. That is why I also think your idea will probably be the most likely choice by our FO. Sigh...

[MasterGMer]

Should we trade for Giannis, guys? Since the topic slows down and there should still exist a discussion, right?

Seriously just get him and there is a ton of motivation, bro!

[Skybox]

Should we trade for Giannis, guys? Since the topic slows down and there should still exist a discussion, right?

Seriously just get him and there is a ton of motivation, bro!

Sometimes threads just die a peaceful death...it's ok, there's not a lot to be said.

[jonbob17]

If things were to turn sour in Milwaukee we could offer Paolo, a young guy, salary, and all the picks they want. Not sure a lot of teams could or would beat that offer. Maybe OKC...depending on how teams value Chet, Williams, and Giddey.

[MasterGMer]

If things were to turn sour in Milwaukee we could offer Paolo, a young guy, salary, and all the picks they want. Not sure a lot of teams could or would beat that offer. Maybe OKC...depending on how teams value Chet, Williams, and Giddey.

Why would Milwaukee even trade Giannis now? He has two years left on his contract with a player option in the 3rd year. They could still contend for a championship this upcoming season.

But if Giannis wants out himself, I think that is only the scenario Mil would trade Giannis.

Also if we have a team couldn't contend for a championship, he could be a UFA 2 years from now and he is GONE

[jonbob17]

If things were to turn sour in Milwaukee we could offer Paolo, a young guy, salary, and all the picks they want. Not sure a lot of teams could or would beat that offer. Maybe OKC...depending on how teams value Chet, Williams, and Giddey.

Why would Milwaukee even trade Giannis now? He has two years left on his contract with a player option in the 3rd year. They could still contend for a championship this upcoming season.

But if Giannis wants out himself, I think that is only the scenario Mil would trade Giannis.

Also if we have a team couldn't contend for a championship, he could be a UFA 2 years from now and he is GONE

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I think you missed the caveat above "if things were to turn sour in Milwaukee". Of course Milwaukee wouldn't trade Giannis if they didn't have to, but their team has gotten really old quick, health and decline could trigger other events. If Milwaukee had to trade him (Giannis asked for it) then the Magic would be able to offer more than most teams, and the Magic would have his bird rights, and i am assuming the man would still want to be paid.

I am not arguing whether we should or shouldn't, but the Magic will have the ability to make a big trade should they choose that direction.

[BadMofoPimp]

There is a zero chance in hell that the Magic have any chance of obtaining Giannis except when he is in his late 30's, period. I thought this was a joke thread until I saw serious posters.

[Skybox]

Giannis is an absolute monster, but, assuming we achieve the unlikely task of obtaining him without giving up our two core guys…how do they fit? All 3 have similar, ball-dominant styles (and size)…2 guys like that are a blessing but I’m not sure how well 3 would be optimal.

Spare me the lazy “great talents will figure it out”…not always true. Somewhat like suggesting Paolo developing his spot up game to complement Fultz (but x10). Paolo is not going to stick around to primarily set picks and rebound for Giannis.