jonbob17 wrote:Skybox wrote:The-Stallion70 wrote:
Agreed, Magic are in a position to take on a contract like Herro and God could he help us.
But what would they want?
I’d say those ships may have sailed, for now at least.
- no doubt that we could have gotten Herro for a couple of firsts that MIA needed for the Dame sweepstakes - pretty sure Simons was a highly-paid, extra piece in POR…until Dame was moved. Sharpe & Scoot has got to be their backcourt and, I think, $25m per is a bit much for a third guard for a rebuilding team. They may still be featuring Simons to boost his value. He’s too small and limited defensively to pair with Scoot. I imagine it reminds them of Dame/CJ - both immensely talented, but they waited way too long (and too many $$) to acknowledge the fit just wasn’t good. Plus, POR now has a good young core and a pick in '24 and '25 would be a lot more interesting than 5 years down the road, when Scoot and Sharpe are in their primes and maybe ready to contend.
Look at the prognosis for the TWO lottery picks we just drafted…3rd stringers that might contribute in ‘25?
One solid, proven, young starter would be way more impactful than both prospects. MIA is win-now, so we really don’t have anything to trade them, unless it’s a 3-way that gets them a star. Simons might still be in play…either would be a huge get for us, imo.
You think so?
Portland got:
Deandre Ayton
unprotected Milwaukee first
two unprotected Milwaukee swaps
2024 first round Warriors
2029 unprotected first Celtics
Rob Williams (probably worth two firsts)
Brogdon (maybe worth 1 first)
I just don't know how Miami could beat that if we gave them a couple of firsts for Herro. Miami's two firsts plus Orlando's plus Jaquez and Jovic, and I love Jaquez, that was the draft pick that made me cringe the most this year...not the heat.
Is Herro > than Williams? I don't know...Herro also gets paid $30M vs Williams $12M. Herro could breakout and make this look silly, he'll have every opportunity this year playing next to Butler and Bam.
You're totally missing the point. POR didn't have a use for Herro, so MIA needed to bury them in picks-which they didn't have. A frp from DEN is of marginal value, but so are picks from MIL, BOS, and GSW. MIA would have to add their own picks, salaries, and prospects but two more firsts (including a potentially more enticing ORL '24 (with some minimal protection)) would be
ADDED to their offering.
PHO was ready to dump Ayton for Nurkic +, so that could have happened anyway. If MIA had approached respectfully, months ago, with a package of 4 legit frps (not swaps or contenders' frps), Jovic and/or Jacquez, Lowry & Fultz/Harris' expiring salaries...MIL would never have even gotten to enter the conversation.
Rob Williams isn't getting you 2 frps any more than Isaac is and it takes a LOT of luck for those picks to amount to anything (MAYBE MAYBE
one of them falls into the year after the downfall of a perennial contender). Herro is MUCH better than Williams, even if you take out Williams' availability issues. I like Williams and would still like to get him...but it's not like you can plug him in to start and play big minutes. He's a nice one-dimensional, undersized, rotation piece that can't stay on the court. Herro is very young and scores 20ppg inside and out as a distant third option.
