Should Magic go after Dejounte Murray or Tyus Jones?

[RichCollab]

I think Murray is just an OK guard. Lets say he's the 27th best guard in the league.

20. FVV
21. Jamal Murray
22. McCollum
23. Rozier
24. Garland
25. White
26. Herro
27. Dejounte Murray
28. Coby White
29. Zach LaVine
30. Anfernee

Something like that. A good guard, better than what we got, but at 27 years old he's kind of locked into being a quality starter. I'd honestly rather hand the starting role over to Black, I think he can be top 30 guard sooner rather than later, especially if we give him the opportunities that Franz and Paolo got.

27 is a pretty big upgrade and if he is reliable and consistent even better.

He can create on his own , get his own shot, and has played solid defense in the past.

Wish he was better 3pt shooter consistently and hadn’t acted like a headcase with multiple players including Paolo. He hasn’t lately as far as I know?

It’s interesting he ignored the coach wanting a timeout and made no attempt to find young when he hit the last wining shot against us.

I’m not sure how good a teammate he would be but putting aside being a questionable teammate and headcase his potential reward is higher if it goes right over Tyus Jones or Brogdon.

Tyus Jones would be solid for a couple of years but would be easy for Black to over take him. Tyus would probably accept a bench role on a playoff team in the future. The problem with that is I don’t think you can play him when Cole is on the floor.

REALLY hoping FO is not prioritizing "easy to over take" this TD and summer, when all of the variables are in place for a significant leap forward at our greatest position of need. DJM is one of the few guys that would make our offense AND defense better immediately. His intensity will only be compounded with Paolo & Suggs' mindsets.

If DJM was picked up, we would be locked in on 4 starters. WCJ may be the answer at center would need to see how it goes. DJM can play with Cole.

It has the Rashard Lewis potential impact.

[Ralof]

Total YES,fans need someone new to blame

[Skybox]

27 is a pretty big upgrade and if he is reliable and consistent even better.

He can create on his own , get his own shot, and has played solid defense in the past.

Wish he was better 3pt shooter consistently and hadn’t acted like a headcase with multiple players including Paolo. He hasn’t lately as far as I know?

It’s interesting he ignored the coach wanting a timeout and made no attempt to find young when he hit the last wining shot against us.

I’m not sure how good a teammate he would be but putting aside being a questionable teammate and headcase his potential reward is higher if it goes right over Tyus Jones or Brogdon.

Tyus Jones would be solid for a couple of years but would be easy for Black to over take him. Tyus would probably accept a bench role on a playoff team in the future. The problem with that is I don’t think you can play him when Cole is on the floor.

REALLY hoping FO is not prioritizing "easy to over take" this TD and summer, when all of the variables are in place for a significant leap forward at our greatest position of need. DJM is one of the few guys that would make our offense AND defense better immediately. His intensity will only be compounded with Paolo & Suggs' mindsets.

If DJM was picked up, we would be locked in on 4 starters. WCJ may be the answer at center would need to see how it goes. DJM can play with Cole.

It has the Rashard Lewis potential impact.

Yeah...and I'd love to get DJM for Fultz and picks, and still keep WCJ - he can fit a number of ways on a good team. Contrary to all of my trade ideas- I really like WCJ and not just after good games.

I'd still love to add Claxton in the summer and have WCJ backing up at both 4&5 for significant minutes...that's a nasty big man rotation, especially if Isaac can give us just a little...if we got DJM and Griffin back from ATL, I'd really consider not re-upping Ingles (so we'd have his salary for hunting FA). IF Isaac proves to be unreliable, not re-upping him would give us more than enough cap (along with Harris', Chuma's, Goga's) to chase Claxton and have a healthy, young, versatile frontcourt...again, I really like Ingles and I really value what he and Isaac, respectively, bring if they're able. Harris too...but, when opportunity knocks, answer that door

Claxton/WCJ
Paolo/M. Wagner/Isaac
Franz/Griffin/Houstan
Suggs/Cole/Jett
Murray/Black

[The-Stallion70]

Obviously yes but the Hawks will have many suitors for him, not sure we can put together the best trade package.

[thelead]

From a talent standpoint, they should have made a deal already for him… but I’d be lying if I said I felt comfortable about his personality fit with the club. I would say the same even if we’re fans of OKC (even though there may be on-court fit issues with OKC). You can’t ever ignore how one personality may affect or even ruin a group’s culture and comradery.

[Skybox]

From a talent standpoint, they should have made a deal already for him… but I’d be lying if I said I felt comfortable about his personality fit with the club. I would say the same even if we’re fans of OKC (even though there may be on-court fit issues with OKC). You can’t ever ignore how one personality may affect or even ruin a group’s culture and comradery.

I honestly like his personality. The Paolo "beef" seemed pretty idiotic...but the more I look into his interviews, etc. I like him. He's all business and got some Mamba in him. I think Paolo's got a lot of that too as well as Suggs...Cole and the "family" "play that song" crap are fun but there's something alluring about getting a bit nastier. I think Paolo's got an icy edge to him and it's important to support that, not only with talent, but a shared ferocity among the best players.

[thelead]

From a talent standpoint, they should have made a deal already for him… but I’d be lying if I said I felt comfortable about his personality fit with the club. I would say the same even if we’re fans of OKC (even though there may be on-court fit issues with OKC). You can’t ever ignore how one personality may affect or even ruin a group’s culture and comradery.

I honestly like his personality. The Paolo "beef" seemed pretty idiotic...but the more I look into his interviews, etc. I like him. He's all business and got some Mamba in him. I think Paolo's got a lot of that too as well as Suggs...Cole and the "family" "play that song" crap are fun but there's something alluring about getting a bit nastier. I think Paolo's got an icy edge to him and it's important to support that, not only with talent, but a shared ferocity among the best players.

That’s fine and all until you’re responsible for managing a team and you’re evaluating fit and ultimately responsible for the performance of the team. It could be a home run, it could also destroy the culture and making Paolo and Franz pissed off. It absolutely needs to be looked into by the FO. If we make a move for a guy like Simons instead, it tells me something was there with Dejounte and we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Not being in ‘the know’, I couldn’t be mad at the FO. But we have to make a good move regardless. There are other fish in the sea if they think Dejounte is not the right fit.

[Skybox]

From a talent standpoint, they should have made a deal already for him… but I’d be lying if I said I felt comfortable about his personality fit with the club. I would say the same even if we’re fans of OKC (even though there may be on-court fit issues with OKC). You can’t ever ignore how one personality may affect or even ruin a group’s culture and comradery.

I honestly like his personality. The Paolo "beef" seemed pretty idiotic...but the more I look into his interviews, etc. I like him. He's all business and got some Mamba in him. I think Paolo's got a lot of that too as well as Suggs...Cole and the "family" "play that song" crap are fun but there's something alluring about getting a bit nastier. I think Paolo's got an icy edge to him and it's important to support that, not only with talent, but a shared ferocity among the best players.

That’s fine and all until you’re responsible for managing a team and you’re evaluating fit and ultimately responsible for the performance of the team. It could be a home run, it could also destroy the culture and making Paolo and Franz pissed off. It absolutely needs to be looked into by the FO. If we make a move for a guy like Simons instead, it tells me something was there with Dejounte and we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Not being in ‘the know’, I couldn’t be mad at the FO. But we have to make a good move regardless. There are other fish in the sea if they think Dejounte is not the right fit.

Agree completely. They have to take a hard look...I'm just saying I looked a little deeper and changed my mind about him. I haven't come across anything that suggests he's a jerk...but he might be. Not clicking with Trae - who, by all accounts, is a jerk - is no indication of a guy being a chemistry problem... but I also really don't know, so I agree they'd have to really investigate that aspect.

[thelead]

I honestly like his personality. The Paolo "beef" seemed pretty idiotic...but the more I look into his interviews, etc. I like him. He's all business and got some Mamba in him. I think Paolo's got a lot of that too as well as Suggs...Cole and the "family" "play that song" crap are fun but there's something alluring about getting a bit nastier. I think Paolo's got an icy edge to him and it's important to support that, not only with talent, but a shared ferocity among the best players.

That’s fine and all until you’re responsible for managing a team and you’re evaluating fit and ultimately responsible for the performance of the team. It could be a home run, it could also destroy the culture and making Paolo and Franz pissed off. It absolutely needs to be looked into by the FO. If we make a move for a guy like Simons instead, it tells me something was there with Dejounte and we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Not being in ‘the know’, I couldn’t be mad at the FO. But we have to make a good move regardless. There are other fish in the sea if they think Dejounte is not the right fit.

Agree completely. They have to take a hard look...I'm just saying I looked a little deeper and changed my mind about him. I haven't come across anything that suggests he's a jerk...but he might be. Not clicking with Trae - who, by all accounts, is a jerk - is no indication of a guy being a chemistry problem... but I also really don't know, so I agree they'd have to really investigate that aspect.

For me, it’s his troubled past. It is hard to recover mentally from two absent parents that were locked up. Dude had to resort to the streets before he even became a teenager and got locked up himself. That’s a rough past. That said, you can’t hold that over him forever but it obviously affects how one grows and matures.

If the FO, and Paolo, can overlook the beef, coach Mosley might be the kind of guy Dejounte needs in his corner. I think Dejounte sees that himself and was why he had positive words about coach after the game.

[eyriq]

My read is that WePark are focused on a long-term growth strategy rather than immediate gains. Forget about Murray or a stop gap PG, I think the target will be someone like Bojan Bogdanovic that can come in, address a need, and provide veteran guidance.

[Skybox]

That’s fine and all until you’re responsible for managing a team and you’re evaluating fit and ultimately responsible for the performance of the team. It could be a home run, it could also destroy the culture and making Paolo and Franz pissed off. It absolutely needs to be looked into by the FO. If we make a move for a guy like Simons instead, it tells me something was there with Dejounte and we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Not being in ‘the know’, I couldn’t be mad at the FO. But we have to make a good move regardless. There are other fish in the sea if they think Dejounte is not the right fit.

Agree completely. They have to take a hard look...I'm just saying I looked a little deeper and changed my mind about him. I haven't come across anything that suggests he's a jerk...but he might be. Not clicking with Trae - who, by all accounts, is a jerk - is no indication of a guy being a chemistry problem... but I also really don't know, so I agree they'd have to really investigate that aspect.

For me, it’s his troubled past. It is hard to recover mentally from two absent parents that were locked up. Dude had to resort to the streets before he even became a teenager and got locked up himself. That’s a rough past. That said, you can’t hold that over him forever but it obviously affects how one grows and matures.

If the FO, and Paolo, can overlook the beef, coach Mosley might be the kind of guy Dejounte needs in his corner. I think Dejounte sees that himself and was why he had positive words about coach after the game.

Yeah and he says Pop is like a father to him and Pop recently said he loves him and still talks to him a lot, just to see how he's doing. Pop is like a college coach that way. Tough love, no BS...like how Coach K and former Duke guys are-forever. Looks like Mose is also on that path too...lots of guys are "Player's Coach" guys but there's a whole other level, imo...if we keep it up, I could see Mose becoming a FA draw...but we have to keep winning and playing the right way.

[zaymon]

That’s fine and all until you’re responsible for managing a team and you’re evaluating fit and ultimately responsible for the performance of the team. It could be a home run, it could also destroy the culture and making Paolo and Franz pissed off. It absolutely needs to be looked into by the FO. If we make a move for a guy like Simons instead, it tells me something was there with Dejounte and we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Not being in ‘the know’, I couldn’t be mad at the FO. But we have to make a good move regardless. There are other fish in the sea if they think Dejounte is not the right fit.

Agree completely. They have to take a hard look...I'm just saying I looked a little deeper and changed my mind about him. I haven't come across anything that suggests he's a jerk...but he might be. Not clicking with Trae - who, by all accounts, is a jerk - is no indication of a guy being a chemistry problem... but I also really don't know, so I agree they'd have to really investigate that aspect.

For me, it’s his troubled past. It is hard to recover mentally from two absent parents that were locked up. Dude had to resort to the streets before he even became a teenager and got locked up himself. That’s a rough past. That said, you can’t hold that over him forever but it obviously affects how one grows and matures.

If the FO, and Paolo, can overlook the beef, coach Mosley might be the kind of guy Dejounte needs in his corner. I think Dejounte sees that himself and was why he had positive words about coach after the game.

but is it a guy you want on a young team with fragile ego's or on veteran team with much more matured players ? Murray could be good on some teams, but our is propably one of the worst if we are taking maturity as a factor.

[Skybox]

Agree completely. They have to take a hard look...I'm just saying I looked a little deeper and changed my mind about him. I haven't come across anything that suggests he's a jerk...but he might be. Not clicking with Trae - who, by all accounts, is a jerk - is no indication of a guy being a chemistry problem... but I also really don't know, so I agree they'd have to really investigate that aspect.

For me, it’s his troubled past. It is hard to recover mentally from two absent parents that were locked up. Dude had to resort to the streets before he even became a teenager and got locked up himself. That’s a rough past. That said, you can’t hold that over him forever but it obviously affects how one grows and matures.

If the FO, and Paolo, can overlook the beef, coach Mosley might be the kind of guy Dejounte needs in his corner. I think Dejounte sees that himself and was why he had positive words about coach after the game.

but is it a guy you want on a young team with fragile ego's or on veteran team with much more matured players ? Murray could be good on some teams, but our is propably one of the worst if we are taking maturity as a factor.

He's not Dillon Brooks-level a-hole (to my knowledge). I don't know where this whole narrative started.

[zaymon]

For me, it’s his troubled past. It is hard to recover mentally from two absent parents that were locked up. Dude had to resort to the streets before he even became a teenager and got locked up himself. That’s a rough past. That said, you can’t hold that over him forever but it obviously affects how one grows and matures.

If the FO, and Paolo, can overlook the beef, coach Mosley might be the kind of guy Dejounte needs in his corner. I think Dejounte sees that himself and was why he had positive words about coach after the game.

but is it a guy you want on a young team with fragile ego's or on veteran team with much more matured players ? Murray could be good on some teams, but our is propably one of the worst if we are taking maturity as a factor.

He's not Dillon Brooks-level a-hole (to my knowledge). I don't know where this whole narrative started.

For me it started with his immature instagram posts and videos where he behaved like a total dick to some random dudes during proam games.

[Dub_Sax]

I believe getting Murray will probably cost us Suggs.. from ATLs side, they may want his defense to offset Trae's weakness..

So the question becomes for Magic fans, would you trade Suggs for Murray?

I lean towards yes.

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[thelead]

I believe getting Murray will probably cost us Suggs.. from ATLs side, they may want his defense to offset Trae's weakness..

So the question becomes for Magic fans, would you trade Suggs for Murray?

I lean towards yes.

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HELL no. Toronto probably wanted Walker and Mathurin for Pascal. They didn’t get either. Atlanta can ask for Paolo if they want but we aren’t trading him either. Suggs is part of the core. Unless we’re talking about a superstar, he’s not going anywhere.

[cedric76]

I believe getting Murray will probably cost us Suggs.. from ATLs side, they may want his defense to offset Trae's weakness..

So the question becomes for Magic fans, would you trade Suggs for Murray?

I lean towards yes.

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Easy NO

[Knightro]

Banchero, Wagner, Suggs and Black are 100% off the table for any one currently available for trade.

You could talk me into Jett maybe, but I wouldn’t be thrilled about it.

[TheChaser]

I don't know for sure, but I have seen quite a few articles speculating it being a possibility...honestly im all for it

[Dub_Sax]

I believe getting Murray will probably cost us Suggs.. from ATLs side, they may want his defense to offset Trae's weakness..

So the question becomes for Magic fans, would you trade Suggs for Murray?

I lean towards yes.

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Easy NO

I really like Suggs' defensive intensity. And his 3 pt shooting has definitely improved.. but his ball skills and decision-making are below average.
So I'm not as high on Suggs as most are. From a team perspective, Murray is more of a 3rd "star" than Suggs. Plus, with other young guards/wings like AB, Jett and Caleb... and even Cole, we gotta start trading one/some of them at some point.
Currently, Suggs has the most value, so he would probably return the best trade package.
You gotta give value to get value..

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