Are the Magic being TOO careful with Isaac?

[CLosP]

Is he able to play in bubble wrap yet?

[Kent]

This is the NBA and not the Y.

He hasn't played in literally years. Let's let him build confidence and strength in his body.

Just the fact that the training staff has an option to play or not play him is a good thing.

[IllMagic04]

We are in February and are still doing minutes restrictions with him. Its just not gonna happen. His body just cant hold up. We are just going to keep doing this song and dance.

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If he's getting paid 5 or 6m, you can prob grit your teeth and do the dance. Treat his availability like a bonus. But not at 17m.

After this year I wonder if we can waive him and renegotiate or if its 17 mill or nothing. Even at 5 you could make a case it's not good cause it's hard to build rotations with a guy that you already know isn;t going to play much. Its a shame cause he is an eleite defensive player. Our team looks different defensively when hes on the floor.

[drsd]

Isaac has been in the NBA since 2017. If he plays 9 more games this season (and let's be honest that that is an if), then by logging 35 games played this will be his second highest ever games-played stat line.

Let's reflect on that: in 7 seasons to date, Isaac has only once played more than 34 games in a season.

[drsd]

Is he able to play in bubble wrap yet?

[Skybox]

We are in February and are still doing minutes restrictions with him. Its just not gonna happen. His body just cant hold up. We are just going to keep doing this song and dance.

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If he's getting paid 5 or 6m, you can prob grit your teeth and do the dance. Treat his availability like a bonus. But not at 17m.

After this year I wonder if we can waive him and renegotiate or if its 17 mill or nothing. Even at 5 you could make a case it's not good cause it's hard to build rotations with a guy that you already know isn;t going to play much. It's a shame cause he is an eleite defensive player. Our team looks different defensively when hes on the floor.

I'm pretty sure you can't waive and re-negotiate...it's all or nothing

Honestly...I'm sadly ready for "nothing". It's pretty close already. More distraction than benefit. IF I KNEW I had only 12-15mpg for 70 games, I'd happily keep him...but just having to re-do game plans weekly based on the latest MRI isn't good for a young team.

[Fortune Teller]

Isaac has been in the NBA since 2017. If he plays 9 more games this season (and let's be honest that that is an if), the by logging 35 games played this will be his second highest ever games-played stat line.

Let's reflect on that: in 7 seasons to date, Isaac has only once played more than 34 games in a season.

And still can't play back-to-backs, even when he only plays 12 minutes in the first game.

[JoshuaPotter]

So, if there was a plan. Is it to preserve him to play in the playoffs where he will be part of a 9 man rotation with days off in between game?

[yoyojw17]

So, if there was a plan. Is it to preserve him to play in the playoffs where he will be part of a 9 man rotation with days off in between game?

They've said it on multiple occasions with both him and fultz.... their plans are made so that they can come back and be there through the rest of the season

[BadMofoPimp]

Slim is a capable backup and if he resigns for less, he will be a solid 20-25 mpg backup down the road.

[dsg2021]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

[pepe1991]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

[drsd]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

And-1

Let's be a devil's advocate and say Isaac is "healthy". Under that best-case scenario, does anyonwe in the Universe think that Isaac is capable of a 70 games-played season averaging 25 mpg? The answer is no.

Isaac's best case to cap his career is to be a consistent 15 mpg, 60-games played backup PF that plays disruptive defense off of the bench. That is: what he is right now is as good as it gets. There is no scenario where Isaac is a major-minutes starting PF for some team. None.

[dsg2021]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

I'll use optimism instead, and common sense to seek a lower contract in the summer without guarantees, reflecting his injuries.

[pepe1991]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

And-1

Let's be a devil's advocate and say Isaac is "healthy". Under that best-case scenario, does anyonwe in the Universe think that Isaac is capable of a 70 games-played season averaging 25 mpg? The answer is no.

Isaac's best case to cap his career is to be a consistent 15 mpg, 60-games played backup PF that plays disruptive defense off of the bench. That is: what he is right now is as good as it gets. There is no scenario where Isaac is a major-minutes starting PF for some team. None.

He already missed 18 out of 44 games without any injury this year. While playing 13 min a game.


Isaac's best bet is to find suitor to pay him vets minimum and not expect him to play at all. Be good teammate, give good high fives and practice - dressed in street clothes- dances off bench. Basically become new Steve Novak.

[drsd]

Isaac's best bet is to find suitor to pay him vets minimum and not expect him to play at all. Be good teammate, give good high fives and practice - dressed in street clothes- dances off bench. Basically become new Steve Novak.

Here's a nice stat. Isaac has made 74M "playing" basketball and has played 173 games. That means it has cost Orlando $430,000.00 per game played to suit Isaac in Magic blue.

[pepe1991]

Isaac's best bet is to find suitor to pay him vets minimum and not expect him to play at all. Be good teammate, give good high fives and practice - dressed in street clothes- dances off bench. Basically become new Steve Novak.

Here's a nice stat. Isaac has made 74M "playing" basketball and has played 173 games. That means it has cost Orlando $430,000.00 per game played to suit Isaac in Magic blue.

Wanna hear crazy stat? Jabari Smith, age 20, will within a two weeks, play more min in nba than Isaac, age 26

But let's carry on.
Keegan Murray, drafted last year, alraedy made more FGA than Isaac in 7 years.
Carry on- if Chet Holmgren, rookie, and Victor W- rookie, continue on this pace for rest of a season, they will both have more blocks as a rookies than "DPOY " Isaac in 7 years . But both should surpass him at some point in December this year anyway.


I saw one graphic last year of most missed games by active player as some sort of Zion diss, and Zion, who was second on that list, played 50% more games than DNP Lord - Jonathan.

people here normalized idea that you have player that casually doesn't play 3 years in a row. It's not normal. He is one of most injury prone players in history.

[Skybox]

Isaac for DPOTY! Give me 50-60 Games Played and 22 MPG for future seasons and I'm a very happy guy, especially with a lighter play time to secure him for 24 MPG in all the Playoff's.

Also, with his height and reach, I want him to practice backing down and fading away for a mid-range. Or even down to the post. And a drive once in a while is good too. Instead of his 3's and putbacks currently only.

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

I'll use optimism instead, and common sense to seek a lower contract in the summer without guarantees, reflecting his injuries.

That can’t be this summer…you’d have to give him his one more year at 17m to even be in position to negotiate a lower next deal.

[drsd]

He didn't play 60 games in past 5 years combined

It's just dreamland . At some point he will get hurt again and be out for next year or two.

He isn't made for basketball, at some point you would expect doctor to come in and throw white towel to signal end of agony.

I'll use optimism instead, and common sense to seek a lower contract in the summer without guarantees, reflecting his injuries.

That can’t be this summer…you’d have to give him his one more year at 17m to even be in position to negotiate a lower next deal.

To clarify, a contact can only be renegotiated if the goal is to pay the player more. It is against the collective bargaining agreement to negotiate a reduced contract.

I guess the Magic could renegotiate Isaac that next year's contact is fully guaranteed, and then add some years at "whatever" salary level both sides come to terms on. Technically that is an "increase" in his current deal.

What can't happen is for Isaac to stay with the Magic and the Magic pay him less than 17M next year. That is not allowed.

[JoshuaPotter]

To go back to the question of "are we being too careful".

No.

I think we are doing what we can and possibly watching medical malpractice for several of our players Isaac included. Will someone give him a vet minimum? Maybe. I just hope it isn't us.