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Re: I like this team and I'm pumped for this season! 

Post#21 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:20 pm

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VFX wrote:This team will only be successful right now because of its defensive identity.

Paolo + Franz + Suggs have to be insurmountably better offensively for anything to be vastly different than last season.

The FO doubled and tripled down on the position-less no lead ball handler/ initiator at the point of attack and re-upped on the dual defensive guard 3-D back court that don’t create much off the dribble.

We know the defense is going to be A+ top 3-5 in the league. The bigger question is going to come down to the offense and whether it looked as garbage as it did most of last season.


The good news on this front IMO is that there are some clear areas from Franz and ESPECIALLY from Paolo where things can and should improve.

If Franz changes literally nothing from last season and simply shoots 36% from 3PT like he did in year 2 instead of 28% in year 3, he will make 27 more threes on the season and the Magic will score 81 more points across his 72 games played.

That alone would bump the Magic's offensive rating from 22nd to 19th. And that's if literally nothing else improves for him.

Despite being obviously skilled, Paolo was a below average shooter from basically everywhere on the court the last two years. Heading into year 3, is it time to see some positive efficiency momentum from at least one area of the floor out of him.

People bemoan the lack of shooting, but all that really means Paolo and Franz aren't good enough shooters yet. Time for them to grow up and make threes. A bounce back from Cole would be really helpful as well.

Suggs, Black, Isaac, Carter and Harris all were above average 3PT shooters last year. KCP is an above average 3PT shooter. TDS and Jett project to be above average shooters if they crack the rotation.


Yes I think internal development is really the only avenue to get significantly better offensively, on a player to player basis, based on the fact they added nobody new to the mix other than KCP.

My much bigger concern is less about the young guys getting collectively better as shooters and more about the system. That to me is more important than guys having slightly elevated fg% and 3p% on the same volume.

What I mean by all that boils down to:

Is the offense easier or more difficult to produce?
Is the ball moving well or is it getting stuck whenever Paolo touches it?
Are guys standing around on offense ball watching?
Are defenses still not keeping players honest because its too predictable?
Is Carter more or less productive standing on the perimeter than in the dunkers spot?
Has any of this improved since last season?

Those kind of questions.

I'm not too concerned with the defense or the natural progression of player development from guys that are 19-24 years old. I care more about whether Mosely's offense is answering those questions.


I am strapped in for a "more or less the same" from Mosely.

Seeing what we saw and not changing the roster or so far hiring a well known offensive coach should be the canary in the coal mine in terms of what to expect. The mere idea that he is hiding a Savant offense scheme after all this years is well. Hilarious if true, and possibly malpractice if not.

Remember at some point we did have a sorta healthy Fultz who could have done more with the offense in the right scheme. Ingles proved that some of our players can do pick and roll offense and the fact we saw more Iso then that tells me it was Ingles who was the player coach and not the other way around.

It's why we may never see playmaking from anyone who doesn't have a ball hog score of 20%+ or more.

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Post#22 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:49 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Current thoughts are this team only goes as far as Paolo + Franz + Suggs develop.

The next "hidge your bets" players is between AB and TDS.

The dark horses are still Jett and Houstan although I am losing faith in both fast.

I do not think it has quite settled in that we potentially have the best defensive backcourt in the league. If we assuming KCP - Suggs - Black - Cole, that is pretty insane minus Cole. Harris, also is underrated and unlikely to lose minutes. It does make me wonder if the real endgame is KCP - Suggs - Harris - Black? Who knows but that is at least balanced between floor and ceilings.

WCJ / Goga / Isaac injuries, and overall the Center position remains in contention and hopefully that breeds hungry play making.

Houstan i can see.... he's been a one trick pony and will eventually be part of the 3rd string at this point.... but at least i know what he can bring to the table..... But Damn.... JETT too? the guy is showing glimpses of a lot of the things people are looking for on the perimeter as both a shooter and even a playmaker. I thought Jett's stock rose tremendously after what he's shown on the SL stage. he's definitely working his way out of the G-league stint and could be establishing a 2nd string ceiling in this year or next, in my opinion. But... yup.... tons of room for growth between the starting trio. Paolo's numbers were sexy compared to his first season.... but he was not a great from an analytics standpoint for a lead player.

Our bench is probably the strongest it's been in a while. excited to see what AB, TDS, JI, Moe, Goga, Harris, and Cole bring this season. Hope cole is working towards another level of efficiency and earns that second contract check with us. If not... I'm fine with harris as well next to AB. Giving harris a role on the bench as more of a scorer could yield more engaged play from him and not sinking into eternal low usage as the last few years and bring more stability to the 2nd unit. In that case... AB will have more room to grow on the offensive end and become a true playmaker. Get them reps in. A AB -Harris/Cole - TDS - JI - Moe/Goga 2nd string would be exciting to watch if AB develops. Hope that Jett makes a case for himself too!

There are few teams that have Forwards as their top option (Boston....?) and we are set to have one of the best defensive backcourts in the league with the ability to disrupt and frustrate the positions that do most of the playmaking. I can't wait to see what our KCP -Suggs lineup does to opposing teams' offenses.

This is the most excited i've been in a while and i believe we can stand toe to toe with the majority of league as we grow. Looking through the depth charts...the only teams i really do have a lil "fear" with are OKC, Knicks, and Boston.... and that's an amazing feeling for me.
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Re: I like this team and I'm pumped for this season! 

Post#23 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:27 pm

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JoshuaPotter wrote:Current thoughts are this team only goes as far as Paolo + Franz + Suggs develop.

The next "hidge your bets" players is between AB and TDS.

The dark horses are still Jett and Houstan although I am losing faith in both fast.

I do not think it has quite settled in that we potentially have the best defensive backcourt in the league. If we assuming KCP - Suggs - Black - Cole, that is pretty insane minus Cole. Harris, also is underrated and unlikely to lose minutes. It does make me wonder if the real endgame is KCP - Suggs - Harris - Black? Who knows but that is at least balanced between floor and ceilings.

WCJ / Goga / Isaac injuries, and overall the Center position remains in contention and hopefully that breeds hungry play making.

Houstan i can see.... he's been a one trick pony and will eventually be part of the 3rd string at this point.... but at least i know what he can bring to the table..... But Damn.... JETT too? the guy is showing glimpses of a lot of the things people are looking for on the perimeter as both a shooter and even a playmaker. I thought Jett's stock rose tremendously after what he's shown on the SL stage. he's definitely working his way out of the G-league stint and could be establishing a 2nd string ceiling in this year or next, in my opinion. But... yup.... tons of room for growth between the starting trio. Paolo's numbers were sexy compared to his first season.... but he was not a great from an analytics standpoint for a lead player.

Our bench is probably the strongest it's been in a while. excited to see what AB, TDS, JI, Moe, Goga, Harris, and Cole bring this season. Hope cole is working towards another level of efficiency and earns that second contract check with us. If not... I'm fine with harris as well next to AB. Giving harris a role on the bench as more of a scorer could yield more engaged play from him and not sinking into eternal low usage as the last few years and bring more stability to the 2nd unit. In that case... AB will have more room to grow on the offensive end and become a true playmaker. Get them reps in. A AB -Harris/Cole - TDS - JI - Moe/Goga 2nd string would be exciting to watch if AB develops. Hope that Jett makes a case for himself too!

There are few teams that have Forwards as their top option (Boston....?) and we are set to have one of the best defensive backcourts in the league with the ability to disrupt and frustrate the positions that do most of the playmaking. I can't wait to see what our KCP -Suggs lineup does to opposing teams' offenses.

This is the most excited i've been in a while and i believe we can stand toe to toe with the majority of league as we grow. Looking through the depth charts...the only teams i really do have a lil "fear" with are OKC, Knicks, and Boston.... and that's an amazing feeling for me.


The challenge in my head is we only have 1 basketball and quite the handful of good players and roll players, yet we aren't very top heavy either. So someone like Jett or even Houstan could make it into 2nd string or even starter duty and have a newly defined ceiling.

I just am losing that vision for anything but 3rd string for Houstan, and Jett hasn't made it out of G-League until we see him regularly in the bench.
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Post#24 » by Last Guardian » Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:22 pm

We should be able to duplicate last season fairly easily. Any decent sized improvement from either Franz or Paolo and we going into the 50's in wins.
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Post#25 » by Message Boar » Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:30 pm

Yeah baby!

I'm excited to see how our young players improve and which players that had relatively down seasons last year (WCJ, Cole, Gary if he gets any play). And I'll be interested to see if Tristan da Silva can contribute right away, if he does, that should be an interesting forward rotation with Paolo/Franz/JI/TdS.

50 wins and a playoff series win should be a realistic goal!
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Post#26 » by TheChaser » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:18 am

Otis???? You there?!
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Post#27 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm

Message Boar wrote:Yeah baby!

I'm excited to see how our young players improve and which players that had relatively down seasons last year (WCJ, Cole, Gary if he gets any play). And I'll be interested to see if Tristan da Silva can contribute right away, if he does, that should be an interesting forward rotation with Paolo/Franz/JI/TdS.

50 wins and a playoff series win should be a realistic goal!




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Post#28 » by spinedoc » Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:52 pm

eyriq wrote:I'm pumped as well!

By removing Fultz and adding KCP we've improved availability, perimeter defense, and shooting.

Ingles will be missed but this cleared a path for one of AB, Jett, or TDS to play, helping player development at a small cost.

The defensive foundation remains the same. We are long, switchable, and tenacious. We were middle of the pack in opponent eFG%, and are trending in the right direction. This is the category I'll be watching to see if we can improve defensively.

The offensive foundation is built on Paolo and Franz. Shooting and turnovers are problems for Paolo. We lack proven playmaking guards, so Paolo and Franz will have to lead the charge, with Suggs & Cole stepping up and AB developing.

I expect the offense to be better. The benefit right now is that we are young, and by nature are on a positive growth curve due to internal development.


I agree, adding KCP will prove to be a huge catalyst. We have needed a true defensive SG for quite some time. We have the depth and versatility to compete everywhere else on the floor now. The only weakness may be at center, given if Carter can actually stay healthy. I also agree that the focus will be on Paolo, Franz, and Suggs, that is our nucleus. The sky is the limit for Paolo, developing at an exciting rate, and I'm quite impressed with Franz. As a Michigan fan, I'm actually quite surprised that he had this potential to grow into such an awesome pro. I love having his older brother back on the team as well, I'm sure that has to help, always been a huge Mo fan. Anyway, I'm excited too for the coming season and will be watching that championship ceremony hopefully soon. :D
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Post#29 » by eyriq » Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:47 pm

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eyriq wrote:I'm pumped as well!

By removing Fultz and adding KCP we've improved availability, perimeter defense, and shooting.

Ingles will be missed but this cleared a path for one of AB, Jett, or TDS to play, helping player development at a small cost.

The defensive foundation remains the same. We are long, switchable, and tenacious. We were middle of the pack in opponent eFG%, and are trending in the right direction. This is the category I'll be watching to see if we can improve defensively.

The offensive foundation is built on Paolo and Franz. Shooting and turnovers are problems for Paolo. We lack proven playmaking guards, so Paolo and Franz will have to lead the charge, with Suggs & Cole stepping up and AB developing.

I expect the offense to be better. The benefit right now is that we are young, and by nature are on a positive growth curve due to internal development.


I agree, adding KCP will prove to be a huge catalyst. We have needed a true defensive SG for quite some time. We have the depth and versatility to compete everywhere else on the floor now. The only weakness may be at center, given if Carter can actually stay healthy. I also agree that the focus will be on Paolo, Franz, and Suggs, that is our nucleus. The sky is the limit for Paolo, developing at an exciting rate, and I'm quite impressed with Franz. As a Michigan fan, I'm actually quite surprised that he had this potential to grow into such an awesome pro. I love having his older brother back on the team as well, I'm sure that has to help, always been a huge Mo fan. Anyway, I'm excited too for the coming season and will be watching that championship ceremony hopefully soon. :D
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Post#30 » by drsd » Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:41 pm

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Post#31 » by Skin » Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:16 am

Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D



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Post#32 » by eyriq » Sun Aug 25, 2024 5:33 am

SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D



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Post#33 » by Kent » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:18 pm

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SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D



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I should change my name to ERICK


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Post#34 » by VFX » Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:24 pm

SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D



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Post#35 » by RookieStar » Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:32 pm

wait.. we gotta change usernames now?
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Post#36 » by Skin » Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:36 am

VFX wrote:
SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D

welcome to the club

Not gonna lie, you inspired me. I didn't know it was possible. :lol:
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Post#37 » by fendilim » Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:36 am

I think we improve as a team overall.

However, I don't think we win more than 50 games.

In Fact, I think we could see us go below .500 to start the season. when Mosley will be having a hard time adjusting with the second unit.

We dramatically improved our starting lineup with KCP over Gary Harris.

But the guy that kept our second unit afloat was Joe Ingles, and now he is gone. I think Jett and Black will get their opportunity during this period.

Once Mosley gets to find the right mix of guys, I think we go on a run to get inside the playoff picture. But still not enough for homecourt considering that the East got better, and our 5th seed finish was particularly due to injuries within other teams as well.

Also, we won't catch teams off guard now. They'll prepare playing against us.
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Post#38 » by VFX » Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:48 pm

SKYN wrote:
VFX wrote:
SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D

welcome to the club

Not gonna lie, you inspired me. I didn't know it was possible. :lol:


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Post#39 » by Skin » Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:12 pm

VFX wrote:
SKYN wrote:
VFX wrote:

Not gonna lie, you inspired me. I didn't know it was possible. :lol:


First time for everything

I admit I was wrong about Markelle. :D

Seriously though, if he could only get his shot back he would've been a great story.
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Post#40 » by Bensational » Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:00 pm

SKYN wrote:Can't wait. Long offseason = Name Change = Skin = SKYN :D



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You could’ve kept ‘skin’ and slipped it into this season’s tagline - “Everybody(sk)In!” Makes it either Everybody’s Kin or Everybody Skin, which works both ways. This was going to be your year!

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I look forward to the safe but natural feeling of your commentary this season.

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