Cole loses spot in rotation due to poor performance

Post #21 » by **eyriq** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:22 pm

FFBlitzace wrote:One of our keys this season was a bounce back year from Cole. Him being out of the rotation isn't a good thing. Our bench needs a productive Cole Anthony. We have overall depth and quality, but not specifically in the scoring department. We need him to be good for us, or else we need to make a move for someone who can be.

I think some identified this as a key for this season, though honestly I don't think the direction the team was heading supported this expectation. His role has been consistently declining. I think the real key was the development of AB, Jett, Paolo, Suggs, and Franz. This is the last year of the rebuild, player development is still the priority and the key to success.

The-Stallion70 · Post #22 » by **The-Stallion70** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:59 pm

tiderulz wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:It's just a few games and he's on a modest contract. it's not like we really need him to be great every night, I think he'll bounce back.

Cole has had big games in the past and I like the fact that he himself recognized why he got benched.

The question isn't always this alarmist "Oh we got to get rid of him" the question is more like "Who do we replace him with and what will the cost be"

I wouldnt call it "modest". its at MLE value and he isnt providing that value.

We are talking about 5 games, you are not approaching this objectively. Cole is just the latest scapegoat.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #23 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:02 pm

Harris needs to be benched as well and hopefully that would be a wake up call.

tiderulz · Post #24 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:03 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:It's just a few games and he's on a modest contract. it's not like we really need him to be great every night, I think he'll bounce back.

Cole has had big games in the past and I like the fact that he himself recognized why he got benched.

The question isn't always this alarmist "Oh we got to get rid of him" the question is more like "Who do we replace him with and what will the cost be"

I wouldnt call it "modest". its at MLE value and he isnt providing that value.

We are talking about 5 games, you are not approaching this objectively. Cole is just the latest scapegoat.

includes his play from last year. he just isnt an efficient player

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #25 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:04 pm

eyriq wrote:How long do we think this lasts?

I’m hoping just 2 games so he realizes that Mosley really isn’t playing with him.

RookieStar · Post #26 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:14 pm

On one hand its still 5 games into a new season, on the other hand this does open the door for Jett....

anothermagicfan · Post #27 » by **anothermagicfan** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:39 pm

I've probably been one of the biggest naysayers to Cole on this board. I liked him in his rookie year. In his second year when everyone loved him and thought he would either be the future PG or the future sixth man for us I didn't. I hated his style of play. Poor defense and selfish offense. I do like the guy. I think he's got a great personality and is a fierce competitor and great teammate on the bench and in the locker room. We've seen his minutes go down year over year as well as his shooting percentages. I don't think he gets traded this year.

Schroeder would be an upgrade and an ideal fit for us coming off the bench with the German connection but he's a free agent next year. I wouldn't give up a first round pick for him. He's not putting us over the top this season. If the German connection and playing for a team capable of contending matters to him then we should have an excellent chance of getting him in the off-season.

As much as I don't love Coles style of play he can still contribute if he gets his killer instinct back. Gary's getting up there. Who knows how long KCP sticks around. There's still a chance for him to be a guy that carves out a roll long term for the magic. It would be more of an 11/12 player in the rotation though. He's probably paid too much for that.

Right now we need to see more of the younger guys getting opportunities. Perhaps Cole is an ideal fit for a trade on draft night or a moving piece in a blockbuster.

Time will tell

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #28 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:50 pm

He’ll be dealt at the deadline while he continues to pick up DNPs. Dude needed to be a lights out shooter ala Korver to have any role.

tooler · Post #29 » by **tooler** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:12 pm

p0peye wrote:
tooler wrote:Conspiracy theory:

If this is a "family" organization with "good vibes," then moving Cole out of the rotation would be a prerequisite for quietly trading him. That way his teammates can feel like he's getting a better opportunity elsewhere and it's seen as a positive that doesn't disrupt the close-knit locker room.

Except you don't trade an asset when it's value is at lowest historical point.

Maybe you don’t, but that’s not how our front office works.

shadrock · Post #30 » by **shadrock** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:16 pm

tooler wrote:Conspiracy theory:

If this is a "family" organization with "good vibes," then moving Cole out of the rotation would be a prerequisite for quietly trading him. That way his teammates can feel like he's getting a better opportunity elsewhere and it's seen as a positive that doesn't disrupt the close-knit locker room.

I get the feeling there wouldnt be too many on the team who genuinely lost sleep if he was traded. Hes one of those guys who takes up a lot of space in the room. Might actually allow others to speak up more if hes gone. Im thinking guys like AB and Jett when i say this.

He was good when we were a lottery team and was seen as a more experienced guy for Suggs etc, but thats all changed now. We have high IQ guys on this team now and my guess is his childish tiktok dance type stuff doesnt really appeal to them or bring the team together like it did 3 years ago.

JF5 · Post #31 » by **JF5** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:58 pm

tooler wrote:Conspiracy theory:

If this is a "family" organization with "good vibes," then moving Cole out of the rotation would be a prerequisite for quietly trading him. That way his teammates can feel like he's getting a better opportunity elsewhere and it's seen as a positive that doesn't disrupt the close-knit locker room.

This makes no sense...

Post #32 » by **eyriq** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:44 pm

JF5 wrote:
tooler wrote:Conspiracy theory:

If this is a "family" organization with "good vibes," then moving Cole out of the rotation would be a prerequisite for quietly trading him. That way his teammates can feel like he's getting a better opportunity elsewhere and it's seen as a positive that doesn't disrupt the close-knit locker room.

This makes no sense...

The team might have Cole play less so when he leaves, it feels like a good change for him and keeps everyone else in the team feeling happy and close.

Post #33 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 1:39 am

It’s really hard to be that small in today’s league.

MasterGMer · Post #34 » by **MasterGMer** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 2:19 am

Schroeder would be a short sighted move right now especially with Paolo being out.

Dennis is 31 years old. Plus he needs the ball in his hands to create, which would take the ball away from Paolo and Franz.

Right now? I think we just roll with whoever we have. If we indeed need to save the season, then we re-evaluate. And send in our chips, only if we can get some young promising young talent in return, which won't hurt our long term plan of contention. Or some so so stars, which would fit in the team building plan plus providing some veteran presence. But that guy would be tough to find.

Cole seems disengaged in the early part of the season, which explains why he missed so many early shots.

If he wants to be a part of this team, he knows now is the time for him to show his value. I believe Cole and he has the ability to be the sixth man of the team, also for two seasons not long ago, he was our leading scorer.

But hey, season is still in process. But damn, Paolo is out. Let's see what Cole can do!

Redwood · Post #35 » by **Redwood** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 3:29 am

The-Stallion70 wrote:It's just a few games and he's on a modest contract. it's not like we really need him to be great every night, I think he'll bounce back.

Cole has had big games in the past and I like the fact that he himself recognized why he got benched.

The question isn't always this alarmist "Oh we got to get rid of him" the question is more like "Who do we replace him with and what will the cost be"

How in the world is it "alarmist" to say we should get rid of a player that has proven to be, objectively, terrible? Cole can shoot, sometimes, and is atrocious at every single other aspect of the game. This isn't up for debate. If it's "alarmist" to want him gone, then the same can be said for every single other trade request in professional sports history.

He's simply a bad basketball player, you being unable to see that doesn't change this fact.

fendilim · Post #36 » by **fendilim** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 7:08 am

As expected

SloNick Russia · Post #37 » by **SloNick Russia** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 10:27 pm

I kind of gave Cole a pass on the last season due to rumored personal issues and was almost sure that he will bounce back this year. I love his personality for the team and sure he has awsome locker room value, however his contract is way too much to swallow with such lack of production. His passing has been fine as long as he doesn't start doing fancy crap, which seems like 50% TO chance every time. Even defense looks a bit better, he is trying. Scoring has been terrible obviously.
Hope Cole can turn it around ASAP.

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Post #38 » by **eyriq** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 10:03 pm

I wonder how long he stays benched

Anti Chalmers · Post #39 » by **Anti Chalmers** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 6:34 am

I truly wonder what’s the deal with Cole. Man went from one of the best 6th man to getting benched in under a year. Hopefully he regains his confidence and be the scorer off the bench we need.

drsd · Post #40 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 7:52 am

Orlando has its starting and backup PGs in Suggs and Black. Joseph is competent as a 3rd stringer. McClung as a G-leaguer provides even further depth at PG.
Orlando does not need 4+ PGs on the roster. Anthony needs to be traded for a forward.
I don't understand why that is not universally accepted.