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Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee

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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#21 » by Ducklett » Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:54 pm

Time to just let Cole, ab, Jett, and all the youngin boys just play and see what happens. We can't have nice things.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#22 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:55 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Unfortunately his contract now becomes the new D’Anthony Melton and likely will be used as a filler contract in an any upcoming trade.

Orlando was likely to decline his option regardless this summer just for flexibility, but this injury now makes it highly likely him getting moved this deadline.

I can’t see Franz being happy with that one nor can I see the Magic doing that.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#23 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:57 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote: No way we trade Moe. That would be awful politics.


He will essentially be out most of all next season as well knowing how Orlando manages injuries.

His contract isn’t guaranteed next season as well.

It will suck and the optics wouldn’t look great, but capitalizing his expiring contract this trade deadline makes a lot of business sense.

I will always advocate for this, I said during JI’s rehab and I will continue, when someone gets hurt on a job it is not fair for the company to let them go. They got hurt doing the job you asked them too, you should be responsible for their rehab and not be able to release them where they have to figure out rehab themself.

I was so upset when the Nets and Warriors did that to their players earlier this month. It’s not right.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#24 » by Residual-Heat » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:00 pm

i get that this is a big loss as Mo is our bench scorer and one of our vocal leaders, but atleast we still have depth at PF/C. Hopefully Paolo will be back soon. Paolo-Goga-JI-WCJ is fine still a deep bench, just need one cheap big in case of more injuries. Who knows maybe the FO can pick someone off of waivers like they did with Goga.

But hopefully Paolo will be back soon, Suggs will be back soon, and we keep the play off hopes alive.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#25 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:01 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:We paid JI for years to rehab we should keep Moe

Even when we were able to get out of JI’s contract due to him missing so many games, we still kept him. I can’t see why we wouldn’t do that for Mo.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#26 » by JF5 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:07 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Unfortunately his contract now becomes the new D’Anthony Melton and likely will be used as a filler contract in an any upcoming trade.

Orlando was likely to decline his option regardless this summer just for flexibility, but this injury now makes it highly likely him getting moved this deadline.


He's not being moved. Trading one of your team leaders and the brother of your team's 2nd best player is chemistry/player morale suicide. I see him likely to have his contract restructured

People immediately calling for a trade just love the thought of a trade.


Ehh, not at all. You need to remove emotion from this. Mo will understand and again his contract was likely going to be declined this summer regardless as we did this past summer.

Isaac was considered a cornerstone player at one point and is a generational defensive talent. It made a lot of sense to hold on to him. Mo not so much outside of the family ties.

Mo is likely out all of next season as well.


It's not even about emotions. Its common sense. That's like the Bucks trading Thanasis or the Lakers cutting Bronny.

You think that wouldn't effect Franz's relationship with the organization seeing his brother being treated like crap?
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#27 » by thelead » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:16 pm

JF5 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Unfortunately his contract now becomes the new D’Anthony Melton and likely will be used as a filler contract in an any upcoming trade.

Orlando was likely to decline his option regardless this summer just for flexibility, but this injury now makes it highly likely him getting moved this deadline.


He's not being moved. Trading one of your team leaders and the brother of your team's 2nd best player is chemistry/player morale suicide. I see him likely to have his contract restructured

People immediately calling for a trade just love the thought of a trade.


Trading Gary, Moe, and a few picks for a player like Cam is not 'just loving the thought of a trade'. That is an upgrade for this year and moving forward. Especially if we can just resign Moe in the summer.

What are the downsides if Nets assure us he will just get cut and we then just sign him in the summer again? This is especially true if Moe and Franz are kept in the loop of the plan. Moe wouldn't even need to get on a plane if he gets immediately cut in a trade like that and would rehab with the team as if nothing happened. Think it through.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#28 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:19 pm

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He's not being moved. Trading one of your team leaders and the brother of your team's 2nd best player is chemistry/player morale suicide. I see him likely to have his contract restructured

People immediately calling for a trade just love the thought of a trade.


Ehh, not at all. You need to remove emotion from this. Mo will understand and again his contract was likely going to be declined this summer regardless as we did this past summer.

Isaac was considered a cornerstone player at one point and is a generational defensive talent. It made a lot of sense to hold on to him. Mo not so much outside of the family ties.

Mo is likely out all of next season as well.


It's not even about emotions. Its common sense. That's like the Bucks trading Thanasis or the Lakers cutting Bronny.

You think that wouldn't affect Franz's relationship with the organization seeing his brother being treated like crap?


Thanasis is a minimum guy and the brother of one of the top-3 players in the league that won a championship.

Bronny is the son of one of the best players to ever play the game lmao.

These comparisons are ridiculous.

No, I don’t think Franz will mind, nor would Mo. Both are professionals and understand this is a business.

Mo will still get all his money that is owed to him.

And I’m sure a conversation will be had that he’s welcome back on the team when he is healthy (which again is probably not until the ‘27-‘28 season).
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#29 » by three3d » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:20 pm

thelead wrote:
JF5 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Unfortunately his contract now becomes the new D’Anthony Melton and likely will be used as a filler contract in an any upcoming trade.

Orlando was likely to decline his option regardless this summer just for flexibility, but this injury now makes it highly likely him getting moved this deadline.


He's not being moved. Trading one of your team leaders and the brother of your team's 2nd best player is chemistry/player morale suicide. I see him likely to have his contract restructured

People immediately calling for a trade just love the thought of a trade.


Trading Gary, Moe, and a few picks for a player like Cam is not 'just loving the thought of a trade'. That is an upgrade for this year and moving forward. Especially if we can just resign Moe in the summer.

What are the downsides if Nets assure us he will just get cut and we then just sign him in the summer again? This is especially true if Moe and Franz are kept in the loop of the plan. Moe wouldn't even need to get on a plane if he gets immediately cut in a trade like that and would rehab with the team as if nothing happened. Think it through.



If done like this and Franz and Mo are directly in the loop then YES definitely you have to do that. It kinda makes it feel like even being injured and out Mo has still found a way to help his team and be apart of the organization.
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Post#30 » by Max Power » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:27 pm

This blows. Mo has become a core piece of this squad and will be damn near impossible to replace.
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Post#31 » by basketballRob » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:40 pm

Max Power wrote:This blows. Mo has become a core piece of this squad and will be damn near impossible to replace.
Well, technically, Wendell and Goga are pretty good. We can't afford to lose any of Wendell, Goga, Isaac, or Paolo. I guess we’ll need to pick up another big

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Post#32 » by DiplomaticMagic » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:42 pm

The only positive I can think about this is, now Mose can pretty easily bench Wendell when Paolo comes back. Goga is clearly the starter.
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Post#33 » by basketballRob » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:44 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:The only positive I can think about this is, now Mose can pretty easily bench Wendell when Paolo comes back. Goga is clearly the starter.
Even if Goga came off the bench, I like the Isaac/Goga combo.

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Post#34 » by RookieStar » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:01 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:The only positive I can think about this is, now Mose can pretty easily bench Wendell when Paolo comes back. Goga is clearly the starter.


Yeah I kept saying that when we were losing big. One of the silver linings...
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Post#35 » by Fortune Teller » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:04 pm

This is a big loss. We need Isaac or Carter to seriously increase their production, but they won’t.
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Post#36 » by Max Power » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:13 pm

I definitely think signing a big guy is necessary now. We really could use a guard too honestly. If Paolo’s return was imminent and Wendell Carter was playing like he did two years ago I’d be less concerned.
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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#37 » by AdamTheGreek » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:18 pm

I think we’ll sign a big with our open 3rd two-way spot.

Very surprised to see some of the comments by some posters in relation to Mo. He’s not easy to replace. He was a top-3 Sixth Man candidate. He was our 4th highest scorer. He’s not getting waived or traded. If we decline his option in the offseason it’ll be to sign him on a longer deal.

Mosley has to send Wendell to the bench to be the backup center. Isaac can’t handle it.

Sucks for Germany, too. Mo is probably missing EuroBasket.
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Post#38 » by mattyBoi » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:23 pm

This is a huge loss, people continue to underestimate Mo's impact. He's better than both JI and Carter.
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Post#39 » by KillMonger » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:30 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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Ehh, not at all. You need to remove emotion from this. Mo will understand and again his contract was likely going to be declined this summer regardless as we did this past summer.

Isaac was considered a cornerstone player at one point and is a generational defensive talent. It made a lot of sense to hold on to him. Mo not so much outside of the family ties.

Mo is likely out all of next season as well.


It's not even about emotions. Its common sense. That's like the Bucks trading Thanasis or the Lakers cutting Bronny.

You think that wouldn't affect Franz's relationship with the organization seeing his brother being treated like crap?


Thanasis is a minimum guy and the brother of one of the top-3 players in the league that won a championship.

Bronny is the son of one of the best players to ever play the game lmao.

These comparisons are ridiculous.

No, I don’t think Franz will mind, nor would Mo. Both are professionals and understand this is a business.

Mo will still get all his money that is owed to him.

And I’m sure a conversation will be had that he’s welcome back on the team when he is healthy (which again is probably not until the ‘27-‘28 season).
Clearly didn't watch the documentary.... Franz will definitely mind, you could see how Moritz contract negotiations affected him....at the same time though they should be pros about it but things get a bit more complicated when it's family

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Re: Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee 

Post#40 » by GGforever » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:33 pm

It would be one the stupidest decisions the Magic have ever made(and that is saying a lot!) if they were to get rid of Moe.
Just watch the Wagner brothers documentary to understand. Franz will never look at Orlando the same and will ruin much of what has been built the past few years.
And that isn’t even talking about how good of a personality and role he fits for this team.
Just stupid thinking.

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