Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[CarraT]

We def need to address PG and/or shooting before worrying about C.

For me this PG conversation is the same as the C conversation; yes there are better players out there. No, the Magic cannot afford to upgrade.

Shooting is the one (and only) thing holding this team back, in my opinion. Caldwell-Pope was supposed to solve that as a starter and Anthony off of the bench. Both have failed. In a sense that this is the worst 3-pt shooting team of the last 20 years.

The shooting on this team is horrible. It is the weakest of the weak links. This "get a PG" conversation is nonsense to me until a shooting guard that can shoot is found.

That said: what trade is there that solves this? Perhaps none. So, we fans just need to pray that i) Banchero, Suggs, and F-Wagner returning opens the offense and that ii) Caldwell-Pope magically learns how to hit 4 threeballs a game.
Sink or swim: this is what playoff Magic needs.

A 11ppg career SG can NEVER solve the issues as big as we have with shooting! We already had same player with Gary Harris, now you just replaced him with a slightly better defender. What´s way more effective than that is to add a new skill that our Guards are missing. Creating offense WHILE being able to shoot himself. Talking about Sexton, Simons, players like that. Something we hoped Cole will turn into, but he didnt. Allowing Suggs to play lots of SG again.

[Bergmaniac]

We def need to address PG and/or shooting before worrying about C.

For me this PG conversation is the same as the C conversation; yes there are better players out there. No, the Magic cannot afford to upgrade.

Shooting is the one (and only) thing holding this team back, in my opinion. Caldwell-Pope was supposed to solve that as a starter and Anthony off of the bench. Both have failed. In a sense that this is the worst 3-pt shooting team of the last 20 years.

The shooting on this team is horrible. It is the weakest of the weak links. This "get a PG" conversation is nonsense to me until a shooting guard that can shoot is found.

Our best PG is a sophomore who shoots 26% from 3 and has 2.6 assists in 23.6 MPG and is often a complete non-factor on offense. Yes, his defence is impressive, but this team needs offense more than defense currently. Our other option is Cole Anthony who is an inefficient selfish chucker who is shooting 38% from the field. Finding someone who is currently better than them shouldn't be that that hard at all, especially considering PG is the deepest position in the league. It would be certainly much easier to find a better PG than them than a better SG than KCP who is playing great defense and has been so good from mid range that his overall efficiency is quite respectable currently despite his 3 point struggles (and his 3 point shooting has been trending up too, this month he is 14/29).

And why are you making it seem like shooting guards are the ones supposed to be volume shooters while PG aren't? It's 2025, this hasn't been true for decades. Nobody is asking us to sign a "pass first, can't shoot" type point guard, we need a PG who can both shoot well from 3 and create for others.

Besides, we have already invested big money in KCP and Suggs.

[byeganyo]

I think we just have to accept that our team is going to have less turnover than normal until we suffer a significant setback. I think that's a product of having a really successful rebuild where we've had 99th percentile draft luck.

When you have 5 top 6 picks in 6 years you are bound to get some talent.
Weltman and Hammond arrived in 2017 and 7 years later the team is yet to win play off series (23 out of 30 nba teams have managed to do it in this period). Calling this "a really successful" anything is a bit premature.

He re-tooled the Hennigan build then blew it up and rebuilt through the draft. He's drafted two franchise players and a borderline all-star. That doesn't happen very often. It's fair to call that really successful.

It happens a lot if you are allowed to try long enough - the first 4 draft picks by Weltman were busts, Suggs was a logical pick in a talented draft (and he is not going top 5 in a redraft), basically drafting Franz was the A rated move that is keeping his project afloat. Paolo is great too, but getting №1 pick is down to luck and usually you are getting a good player with it. Lately most of the nba teams have been better than Orlando, now there is a chance for this to change, but sitting on your hands never makes you the best. Betting on drafting players when you are historically and statistically more likely to lose than win is the path to being treadmill. Orlando has 3 good young players and they are here til 2030 at least. Then we have one enticingg project in Black. Enough with the gambling. I will be happy if no one else is drafted in the next 6 seasons and the picks are used to get players that are known quality.

[Skybox]

We def need to address PG and/or shooting before worrying about C.

For me this PG conversation is the same as the C conversation; yes there are better players out there. No, the Magic cannot afford to upgrade.

Shooting is the one (and only) thing holding this team back, in my opinion. Caldwell-Pope was supposed to solve that as a starter and Anthony off of the bench. Both have failed. In a sense that this is the worst 3-pt shooting team of the last 20 years.

The shooting on this team is horrible. It is the weakest of the weak links. This "get a PG" conversation is nonsense to me until a shooting guard that can shoot is found.

Our best PG is a sophomore who shoots 26% from 3 and has 2.6 assists in 23.6 MPG and is often a complete non-factor on offense. Yes, his defence is impressive, but this team needs offense more than defense currently. Our other option is Cole Anthony who is an inefficient selfish chucker who is shooting 38% from the field. Finding someone who is currently better than them shouldn't be that that hard at all, especially considering PG is the deepest position in the league. It would be certainly much easier to find a better PG than them than a better SG than KCP who is playing great defense and has been so good from mid range that his overall efficiency is quite respectable currently despite his 3 point struggles (and his 3 point shooting has been trending up too, this month he is 14/29).

And why are you making it seem like shooting guards are the ones supposed to be volume shooters while PG aren't? It's 2025, this hasn't been true for decades. Nobody is asking us to sign a "pass first, can't shoot" type point guard, we need a PG who can both shoot well from 3 and create for others.
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All true. I like AB and what he brings and maybe projects to bring...but I really can't even call him a PG anymore (or maybe yet). Cole is the best PG on the team and I'd give him up for cap space if I could. Both nice guys - keep that out of the math.

[RichCollab]

Moe was our 6th man and that 4th offensive punch.

I’m curious if we add a player who can fill that offensive role. That person isn’t on the team.

AB and Jett aren’t this season. Cole isn’t even close to being reliable enough.

We can make it to the 2nd round with what we have but it’s going to be impossible to do better if we stay pat at the trade deadline.

[eyriq]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

[RichCollab]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

[eyriq]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

[RichCollab]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

We aren’t desperate for sure. I’m fine staying pat. I feel great about this team.

TDS and AB can fill that role but I don’t see it this season.

[three3d]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with? Are we going to do that this Summer so that the freaking excuses next year is,” it’s not about this season, this season is about seeing how the new piece/pieces fit” lol come on. Half a season will be waisted just giving them time to gel. And honestly it has better gel because of it doesn’t you just waisted another season.

If it’s not about this season you make it about next season RIGHT NOW! You make a move, you go get Simons or someone else and see what you’ve actually got and need. You don’t freaking throw this season away, the injuries will be there clutch but that’s lazy bull sh** excuse to run it back yet again.

[Bergmaniac]

My hot take is that Moritz imbalances things and we have a more balanced rotation without him. A three big rotation is too big and if I had to choose two out of our three bigs I'd be picking Goga and WCJ.

So I absolutely wouldn't be looking to replace him.

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

That's not enough offense. The bench was terrible offensively this year even with Mo playing great on that end. And Wendell has been mostly awful offensively this season.

[RichCollab]

We absolutely need to replace his offensive output. It can be from any position but we don’t have a legit 6th man.

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with? Are we going to do that this Summer so that the freaking excuses next year is,” it’s not about this season, this season is about seeing how the new piece/pieces fit” lol come on. Half a season will be waisted just giving them time to gel. And honestly it has better gel because of it doesn’t you just waisted another season.

If it’s not about this season you make it about next season RIGHT NOW! You make a move, you go get Simons or someone else and see what you’ve actually got and need. You don’t freaking throw this season away, the injuries will be there clutch but that’s lazy bull sh** excuse to run it back yet again.

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

[three3d]

I'm good with rolling with AB, WCJ, and TDS for bench offense.

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with? Are we going to do that this Summer so that the freaking excuses next year is,” it’s not about this season, this season is about seeing how the new piece/pieces fit” lol come on. Half a season will be waisted just giving them time to gel. And honestly it has better gel because of it doesn’t you just waisted another season.

If it’s not about this season you make it about next season RIGHT NOW! You make a move, you go get Simons or someone else and see what you’ve actually got and need. You don’t freaking throw this season away, the injuries will be there clutch but that’s lazy bull sh** excuse to run it back yet again.

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

[eyriq]

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with?

The time for re-tooling is likely the off-season after the 26-27 season, barring major setbacks. In 2027 Jett and AB are due extensions and KCP is a free agent.

[RichCollab]

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with? Are we going to do that this Summer so that the freaking excuses next year is,” it’s not about this season, this season is about seeing how the new piece/pieces fit” lol come on. Half a season will be waisted just giving them time to gel. And honestly it has better gel because of it doesn’t you just waisted another season.

If it’s not about this season you make it about next season RIGHT NOW! You make a move, you go get Simons or someone else and see what you’ve actually got and need. You don’t freaking throw this season away, the injuries will be there clutch but that’s lazy bull sh** excuse to run it back yet again.

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

We are a young growing team and we are trending well. We don’t win with shooting.

We need more play making but AB and TDS are growing. We aren’t built to depend on a traditional PG and that’s a strength.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If it’s not about this season as they say then when is it actually time to make some trades and see what you wind up with? Are we going to do that this Summer so that the freaking excuses next year is,” it’s not about this season, this season is about seeing how the new piece/pieces fit” lol come on. Half a season will be waisted just giving them time to gel. And honestly it has better gel because of it doesn’t you just waisted another season.

If it’s not about this season you make it about next season RIGHT NOW! You make a move, you go get Simons or someone else and see what you’ve actually got and need. You don’t freaking throw this season away, the injuries will be there clutch but that’s lazy bull sh** excuse to run it back yet again.

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

First it was Elfrid just needs shooters around him and we’ll be fine. Then it was Fultz will break out of his shooting yips he’s a beast. Now it’s blind homerism AB and Jett will make big jumps to All Stars.

It’s been our main problem for 6 years and this FO would rather force 2 Point Forwards and positional overlap vs just getting a guard who can create a shot for themselves and others.

[three3d]

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

We are a young growing team and we are trending well. We don’t win with shooting.

We need more play making but AB and TDS are growing. We aren’t built to depend on a traditional PG and that’s a strength.

This is why I’m high on Anfernee Simons. He’s instant offense with some ability to not be a traditional point guard. He can be a facilitator and playmaker. As well as get his own buckets.

[RichCollab]

Internal development continues to deliver. AB and TDS look to continue that trend.

We already have our top 3. They are ready to contend but I don’t think the rest of the pieces are yet.

We can improve via the right trades for sure. We aren’t forced to make a move though as we haven’t hit a wall.

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

First it was Elfrid just needs shooters around him and we’ll be fine. Then it was Fultz will break out of his shooting yips he’s a beast. Now it’s blind homerism AB and Jett will make big jumps to All Stars.

It’s been our main problem for 6 years and this FO would rather force 2 Point Forwards and positional overlap vs just getting a guard who can create a shot for themselves and others.

We have a top 10 and 30 player. Not sure there are any parallels to Payton’s team. Suggs is a legit top 3 player on a team.

We haven’t been in this position since Dwight years.

AB is not Fultz or Payton. He has full confidence from Paolo, Franz and Mos. They go out of their way to call him out.

[eyriq]

I think if you want to evaluate short-term needs you have to contextualize where we are relative to player development and injuries. Short-term (this season) computers think we are the 3rd best team in the East come the postseason. All your pet preferences for team building need to be reconciled with why the current build is so successful.

[RichCollab]

The wall is inevitably going to smack some people in the face pretty hard if those blinders don’t come off. The teams problems are as clear as day, there’s absolutely no mystery to it we’re lacking shooters and consistent playmaking outside Paolo and Franz. When your main problem is so clear to see you don’t wait for another season to address it, this season is a freebie to not title contending so you build your team next year now.

We are a young growing team and we are trending well. We don’t win with shooting.

We need more play making but AB and TDS are growing. We aren’t built to depend on a traditional PG and that’s a strength.

This is why I’m high on Anfernee Simons. He’s instant offense with some ability to not be a traditional point guard. He can be a facilitator and playmaker. As well as get his own buckets.

I watch Jazz and Blazers a lot. I’m not sure Simons fits from a mentality standpoint. Sexton seems closer.

I wanted to follow in love with one. My biggest problem is everything they are doing are on bad tanking teams.