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I don't see any of them getting traded. The salaries are all pretty low for now. I don't know who I would rank higher on the depth chart. I think most likely they're towards the end of the bench still and when someone is out who gets more minutes will result in who is out. Still got the entire off-season too. Much could change before 25/26 tips off
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Anyone has news on TDS?
He is the one im most curious of i terms of trajectory. Is he bulking up or speeding up?
He is the one im most curious of i terms of trajectory. Is he bulking up or speeding up?
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TDS was a solid rookie, not sure how he doesn’t take a leap other than he was a bit old for a rookie. But he is legit height and made some athletic plays and shot well for a time. I think he’s easily playable
Jett is a bit harder to see. I actually like his game in theory… big guard, likes to shoot and play a little herky jerky…he just didn’t impress in the minutes he got, but he also wasn’t given a long leash either that other players got the benefit of when we didn’t care about winning.
Caleb can be a great shooter but he’s situational at best. He’s a small PF with no athleticism.
Jett is a bit harder to see. I actually like his game in theory… big guard, likes to shoot and play a little herky jerky…he just didn’t impress in the minutes he got, but he also wasn’t given a long leash either that other players got the benefit of when we didn’t care about winning.
Caleb can be a great shooter but he’s situational at best. He’s a small PF with no athleticism.
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I think Caleb is best poised to claim a larger role next season out of those 3. His shot wasn't falling to start the season, but post ASB he shot 51% from 3 on 3.3 attempts per game in 16mpg. Once the 2nd unit settled into more consistency and better passing everyone on that 2nd unit started shooting a lot better from 3 post ASB.
I feel pretty confident that Houstan is going to be with the team a while and he's going to be our Merril/Hauser/Strus/Connaughton/Grayson type. That shot is pure he just needs better passing from his teammates and some more offensive integration from coach and he'll really cook.
Da Silva I like, especially as a bench version of Franz. I'd love to see him settle into more of an Ingles bench connector piece.
I'm also betting long on Jett and going to say he has a lot more to show. His shot is too pure for some team not to figure out how to get use out of it. Hopefully it's with us.
But to get the most out of any of these guys we need to change the team's offensive philosophy and mindset. Can't waste 14 seconds setting up ISOs and hoping that if the ball goes back out to the perimeter they're ready to nail the shot off a bad outlet pass and too little time to whip it around the perimeter for a better look and set shot.
I feel pretty confident that Houstan is going to be with the team a while and he's going to be our Merril/Hauser/Strus/Connaughton/Grayson type. That shot is pure he just needs better passing from his teammates and some more offensive integration from coach and he'll really cook.
Da Silva I like, especially as a bench version of Franz. I'd love to see him settle into more of an Ingles bench connector piece.
I'm also betting long on Jett and going to say he has a lot more to show. His shot is too pure for some team not to figure out how to get use out of it. Hopefully it's with us.
But to get the most out of any of these guys we need to change the team's offensive philosophy and mindset. Can't waste 14 seconds setting up ISOs and hoping that if the ball goes back out to the perimeter they're ready to nail the shot off a bad outlet pass and too little time to whip it around the perimeter for a better look and set shot.
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He was just on a podcast with KCP that came out the day after the trade.RookieStar wrote:Anyone has news on TDS?
He is the one im most curious of i terms of trajectory. Is he bulking up or speeding up?
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No one mentioned that it was pretty cold to make a trade on Father's Day.
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basketballRob wrote:He was just on a podcast with KCP that came out the day after the trade.RookieStar wrote:Anyone has news on TDS?
He is the one im most curious of i terms of trajectory. Is he bulking up or speeding up?
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What hr say? No videos of him shooting 3s in an empty gym or lifting 100lbs dumbbells?
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anothermagicfan wrote:I don't see any of them getting traded. The salaries are all pretty low for now. I don't know who I would rank higher on the depth chart. I think most likely they're towards the end of the bench still and when someone is out who gets more minutes will result in who is out. Still got the entire off-season too. Much could change before 25/26 tips off
I believe one has to get traded especially if they don’t let go of Moe.
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I think Jett gets moved. 5 million per year for a G-Leaguer looks insane.
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They definitely aren't going to pick up his 4th year option.JF5 wrote:I think Jett gets moved. 5 million per year for a G-Leaguer looks insane.
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Bensational wrote:I think Caleb is best poised to claim a larger role next season out of those 3. His shot wasn't falling to start the season, but post ASB he shot 51% from 3 on 3.3 attempts per game in 16mpg.
Looked into it more, and Houstan was like the 7th best 3pt shooter post ASB this season. LINK
I think that went really under-acknowledged considering how desperate we are for shooting. I suspect he’ll become a bigger feature in the 2nd unit next season.
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The Tristan disrespect is insane.
He proved a lot in December and early January. He just has to do what all rookies have to do: get stronger, build your body up to handle the 82-game grind. He’s Franz’s backup.
Jett, I will be surprised if he’s not traded with a second or two into a team’s TPE.
Caleb I expect his option to be picked up. He was our best 3-point shooter. He’s dirt cheap. Everyone in the organization loves him. He’s third string with the ability to fill in. Successful second round pick so far for us.
This is where I see us right now:
C: Wendell, Goga, Moritz (injured)
PF: Paolo, Isaac, open
SF: Franz, Da Silva, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Black, open
PG: Bane, Open, open
CoJo can come back as the third string PG.
If Gary wants to come back as a third stringer on a vet. min., I’m not opposed. He should go back to Denver. I’d rather sign Queen to the third string spot.
One of Goga or JI I expect gone.
I expect Jett gone.
I don’t think we’ll keep 25 but maybe someone good slips.
He proved a lot in December and early January. He just has to do what all rookies have to do: get stronger, build your body up to handle the 82-game grind. He’s Franz’s backup.
Jett, I will be surprised if he’s not traded with a second or two into a team’s TPE.
Caleb I expect his option to be picked up. He was our best 3-point shooter. He’s dirt cheap. Everyone in the organization loves him. He’s third string with the ability to fill in. Successful second round pick so far for us.
This is where I see us right now:
C: Wendell, Goga, Moritz (injured)
PF: Paolo, Isaac, open
SF: Franz, Da Silva, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Black, open
PG: Bane, Open, open
CoJo can come back as the third string PG.
If Gary wants to come back as a third stringer on a vet. min., I’m not opposed. He should go back to Denver. I’d rather sign Queen to the third string spot.
One of Goga or JI I expect gone.
I expect Jett gone.
I don’t think we’ll keep 25 but maybe someone good slips.
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AdamTheGreek wrote:The Tristan disrespect is insane.
He proved a lot in December and early January. He just has to do what all rookies have to do: get stronger, build your body up to handle the 82-game grind. He’s Franz’s backup.
Jett, I will be surprised if he’s not traded with a second or two into a team’s TPE.
Caleb I expect his option to be picked up. He was our best 3-point shooter. He’s dirt cheap. Everyone in the organization loves him. He’s third string with the ability to fill in. Successful second round pick so far for us.
This is where I see us right now:
C: Wendell, Goga, Moritz (injured)
PF: Paolo, Isaac, open
SF: Franz, Da Silva, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Black, open
PG: Bane, Open, open
CoJo can come back as the third string PG.
If Gary wants to come back as a third stringer on a vet. min., I’m not opposed. He should go back to Denver. I’d rather sign Queen to the third string spot.
One of Goga or JI I expect gone.
I expect Jett gone.
I don’t think we’ll keep 25 but maybe someone good slips.
This is exactly how I see it. I dont think we can send Goga anywhere with WCJ and Moe hurt. I do think Moe is ready for the season but nobody else does? I think we bring in someone like Dinwiddie or Brogdon for one of the guard spots and maybe Cojo. I do think that next offseason if things dont go as planned they will move off of Goga or WCJ maybe even JI.
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mattdelray1220 wrote:AdamTheGreek wrote:The Tristan disrespect is insane.
He proved a lot in December and early January. He just has to do what all rookies have to do: get stronger, build your body up to handle the 82-game grind. He’s Franz’s backup.
Jett, I will be surprised if he’s not traded with a second or two into a team’s TPE.
Caleb I expect his option to be picked up. He was our best 3-point shooter. He’s dirt cheap. Everyone in the organization loves him. He’s third string with the ability to fill in. Successful second round pick so far for us.
This is where I see us right now:
C: Wendell, Goga, Moritz (injured)
PF: Paolo, Isaac, open
SF: Franz, Da Silva, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Black, open
PG: Bane, Open, open
CoJo can come back as the third string PG.
If Gary wants to come back as a third stringer on a vet. min., I’m not opposed. He should go back to Denver. I’d rather sign Queen to the third string spot.
One of Goga or JI I expect gone.
I expect Jett gone.
I don’t think we’ll keep 25 but maybe someone good slips.
This is exactly how I see it. I dont think we can send Goga anywhere with WCJ and Moe hurt. I do think Moe is ready for the season but nobody else does? I think we bring in someone like Dinwiddie or Brogdon for one of the guard spots and maybe Cojo. I do think that next offseason if things dont go as planned they will move off of Goga or WCJ maybe even JI.
You think Moe will be ready for the start of the season?
Any basis?
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eyriq wrote:Skybox wrote:eyriq wrote:
That would surprise me. Everything we've seen suggests they view AB as a point guard.
Oh man...here we go...but they didn't ask him to do those things yet?
We run a wing-hub offense... playmaking flows through Paolo and Franz. AB handles other point guard responsibilities, especially point-of-attack defense. Role ≠ Position.
Wow...I think we're getting to the heart of eyriq vs the world...what makes a PG a PG? (not defense)
This, maybe, explains your irrational support of AB as PGOTF...despite what most would consider PG fundamentals missing...we all might just have different definitions.
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Skybox wrote:eyriq wrote:mattdelray1220 wrote:
Well yeah. I am also projecting they sign a real PG. I think Dinwiddie will be their choice on a 1 year deal. Play him 12-15 minutes while AB gets the rest of the back up guard minutes. I think they will only have 1 slot open for these 3 and it will be TDS to lose. I just think the other 2 need to be ready for injuries and in the near future where we have to shed more salary and it would be nice if one of them could be the back up 2 guard on a team friendly deal.
That would surprise me. Everything we've seen suggests they view AB as a point guard.
Oh man...here we go...but they didn't ask him to do those things yet?
hes a PG on paper anddoes 20% of PG things.. He guards other PG's and he brings the ball up then immediately hands it to Paolo/Franz once past half court.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 
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I think TDS is better than many give him credit. I could easily see him being a legit rotation guy this year. Could also just see him being an OK depth guy for his career which is what I think Caleb is. Not a guy you should count on in the rotation, but a guy you feel good about in a pinch in case of injury. Jett I doubt they are factoring.
Just get Melton to add to the mix. If you could free up the MLE and fit Melton plus a vet PG into it that would be amazing.
The only issue with Melton/NAW types is the depth behind Paolo is pretty weak. Maybe you prefer a 3/4 to a 2/3? But maybe a Broome/Fleming/Wolf pick could help with playable 4 depth. Also Eric Dixon as a senior 2nd round pick option. Plus we saw Wendell isn’t terrible there.
Just get Melton to add to the mix. If you could free up the MLE and fit Melton plus a vet PG into it that would be amazing.
The only issue with Melton/NAW types is the depth behind Paolo is pretty weak. Maybe you prefer a 3/4 to a 2/3? But maybe a Broome/Fleming/Wolf pick could help with playable 4 depth. Also Eric Dixon as a senior 2nd round pick option. Plus we saw Wendell isn’t terrible there.
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Skybox wrote:eyriq wrote:Skybox wrote:
Oh man...here we go...but they didn't ask him to do those things yet?
We run a wing-hub offense... playmaking flows through Paolo and Franz. AB handles other point guard responsibilities, especially point-of-attack defense. Role ≠ Position.
Wow...I think we're getting to the heart of eyriq vs the world...what makes a PG a PG? (not defense)
This, maybe, explains your irrational support of AB as PGOTF...despite what most would consider PG fundamentals missing...we all might just have different definitions.
Exactly. We just have different definitions. In a traditional system, AB isn’t a prototypical point guard. In a wing-hub system built around jumbo creators, he doesn’t need to be. He’s a connector, a defender, and a secondary decision-maker. The role fits the build. Calling it irrational just means you’re evaluating through the wrong lens.









