Gilbert?

MagicalMan · Post #21 » by **MagicalMan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:51 pm

Who will give him big money after he sits out this entire year injured?

theTHIEF · Post #22 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:53 pm

half man half a season pt.2?

maginno · Post #23 » by **maginno** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:27 pm

So let me get this straight. You guys are saying that you wouldn't go after Arenas because you have enough scoring in Rashard, Turk and company. let me see now

Rashard or Arenas? Hmmmm
Turk or Arenas? Hmmm
Even Turk & Rashard or Arenas? Hmmm

Its official you have all lost your minds.

Better to say that you wouldn't go after Arenas because you can't get him. Given that you have Rashard that cannot be traded with his enormous contract to put together any kind of package to either sign and trade for him or get cap relief that makes more sense - not some bogus rationale that we don''t need another bonafide superstar because what we have offensively makes getting Arenas pointless. sheesh.

Post #24 » by **MagicMadness** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:41 pm

maginno wrote:
Better to say that you wouldn't go after Arenas because you can't get him. Given that you have Rashard that cannot be traded with his enormous contract to put together any kind of package to either sign and trade for him or get cap relief that makes more sense - not some bogus rationale that we don''t need another bonafide superstar because what we have offensively makes getting Arenas pointless. sheesh.

Um yeah, that's basically why any of us said no, focus on a defensive player instead. We have enough scoring i.e. Rashard can't be traded, so lets focus on defense. You should assume this is a given, without us needing to explain our reasoning considering this is a Magic board and we all know Lewis will be on the team next year, is being paid superstar money, and will not be moved.

Of course Arenas is a better scoring talent than Hedo or Lewis; I don't think any of us are or were disputing that. :roll:

It was just a given that Lewis, Howard, and most likely Hedo will all be on the team next season.

mattyBoi · Post #25 » by **mattyBoi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:00 pm

Im seeming to be viewing this different from everyone. Sure this isnt new and players say they are opting out all the time but this situation is different.

Hes coming of season ending injury, and wants a long term contract from the wizards.

You have to believe there is hesitation in Washington about resigning him (see Grant Hill) while at the same time resigning an old Jamison.

If the wizards dont give him the big bucks then no one will...Because no one can.

He knows if he doesnt get the deal with the Wiz he will have to settle for MLE or just above it...He has no other options and he knows it.

theTHIEF · Post #26 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:04 pm

Gilbert will not end up with the MLE, I expect the Wiz to pick him back up, but there are also 3 other teams that will have the ability to sign him, Charlotte, Chicago and LAC, not to mention there are teams with other big expirings, and S&T's are very popular for guys like him...

MagicalMan · Post #27 » by **MagicalMan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:09 pm

Im still waiting for someone to foolishly say that we shouldn't have signed Rashard so we could've pursued Arenas this off-season.

theTHIEF · Post #28 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:09 pm

mattyBoi · Post #29 » by **mattyBoi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:12 pm

MagicalMan wrote:Im still waiting for someone to foolishly say that we shouldn't have signed Rashard so we could've pursued Arenas this off-season.

EasternMagic · Post #30 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:17 pm

id say wed be pretty good but id also say it never happens... but hey from the WIZARDS to the MAGIC? not a huge name difference maybe it would make him feel at home haha

MagicalMan · Post #31 » by **MagicalMan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:32 pm

mattyBoi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well people do like to pretend that wed be in better shape if Rashard would've signed for 80 million instead of 118. And others (or those same people) like to forget that we extended Dwight and Jameer putting us over the cap as well. But it never fails, someone will bring it up again.

TheMadMagician · Post #32 » by **TheMadMagician** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:46 pm

Maybe we should trade Shard, 1st rounder, and Dooling for Gilbert. I think a twosome of Gil and Dwight would Dominate.

EDIT: I like Shard, but Gil's a superstar.

mattyBoi · Post #33 » by **mattyBoi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:00 pm

MagicalMan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well people do like to pretend that wed be in better shape if Rashard would've signed for 80 million instead of 118. And others (or those same people) like to forget that we extended Dwight and Jameer putting us over the cap as well. But it never fails, someone will bring it up again.

Oh i agree with you...Im just tired of hearing those people lol they only give rashard half a year to prove himself and then the doubts start coming.

Post #34 » by **damo[23]** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:33 pm

I'd rather not Gilbert, unless it was for a stupidly cheap price and the prob trade him with Hedo for a superstar.

Post #35 » by **Devin 1L** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:10 am

MagicalMan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well people do like to pretend that wed be in better shape if Rashard would've signed for 80 million instead of 118. And others (or those same people) like to forget that we extended Dwight and Jameer putting us over the cap as well. But it never fails, someone will bring it up again.

Or the "I would have signed ______ for 44 million, and _______ for 36 million instead."

Because the NBA is apparently like NBA Live, and you can just do whatever you like.

Also, in the past week I've read someone suggest we could get Antawn Jamison and now Gilbert Arenas for the MLE. Wow.

lovehoops01 · Post #36 » by **lovehoops01** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:00 am

It's no wonder they think management is doing a bad job when they think all these top-level players are going to sign for the MLE.

I don't care if Gilbert has been hurt. Even if the Wizards don't re-sign him -- and I believe they will -- someone is going to pay him. He's not only a good basketball player. He's a huge personality, and he sells tickets. Not everyone will want him because those factors also must fit into the team he signs with, but I don't expect him to leave Washington.

mattyBoi · Post #37 » by **mattyBoi** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:56 am

Its ok you guys just cant seem to grasp the fact that this summer will be a BUYERS MARKET.

Hardly anyone will have money to spend!!! Thetheif mentioned earlier that charlotte and the clippers will have cap space but that will ONLY happen if Bobcats let Okafor go and if Clips let Brand, Livingston, Cassell, and Maggette go.

You all will see this summer when many players with great potential (Calderon, Ellis, Maggette) are forced to sign for the MLE and many potential max players who arent happy and have already turned down huge deals (Igoudala, Okafor, Deng, Josh Smith just to name a few) will either have to accept their teams losing and take the deals or settle for substantially less or maybe even accept one year deals with teams.

Then there are the question marks like Brand(injured), Arenas(injured, publicly saying he will take less), and Jamison(Old) whos teams may not wanna give the long term deal too and they may either get mad at ownership or except it.

At least 5 players will be forced into contracts that are less than market value...Bet

mattyBoi · Post #38 » by **mattyBoi** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:03 am

Also this is the reason Gilbert even made this public comment.

The team knows that no one else will give him a long term max deal and hes thinking that they may be trying to short him.

So hes saying if the Wizards dont give me my 7 year max deal then i will leave and play for a team that is a contender for what they can give me.

Essentially playing his cards and waiting to see what the wiz will do, while letting them know, hey if you dont give me what im worth ill just play to win.

But both parties know, if the Wiz dont give him max bucks, then no one can.

lovehoops01 · Post #39 » by **lovehoops01** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:33 am

Nah, it's just that the Wizards are winning without him and Butler is staking a claim to be the team leader while he can't play so he has to remind people he still is out there.

Plus....those guys don't necessarily have to settle for the MLE with other teams. They might just take less-than-max contracts with their current teams.

It's not as black and white as you're trying to make it.

maginno · Post #40 » by **maginno** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:16 am

MagicMadness wrote:- You should assume this is a given, without us needing to explain our reasoning considering this is a Magic board and we all know Lewis will be on the team next year, is being paid superstar money, and will not be moved.

Don't be silly. There are enough words in the English language to convey what people mean without assumptions. It takes less words too in this case.

Besides anyone who reads the thread from the beginning will see that the discussion was of the possibility of getting him for expirings, trading or (later) the MLE. Nice try at covering there but it doesn't work. They were clearly saying we are set at scoring and wouldn't need Arenas. No matter how you try to dress it up its still pricelessly (to coin a word) funny.