"Natural Position" and Shard

[MJallday59]

No trading Hedo,

When the Magic Trade Hedo, it'll be the day Rashard gets injured....

Then after Shard gets injured...they'll trade J.J Redick

J.J will avg 25 ppg after the trade

After JJ avgs 25...Fran Vasquez will officially announce that he has no intentions on ever signing with the Magic.

It's just Magic History

[Shishnizzle]

The only reason I can see Magic managment trading Hedo is because the way he is playing now. They will have to give another player max money. That coupled with Shard and Howard may be difficult to do. I hope not, but if they did. They should be able to solve 2 problems, the point guard spot and the power forward spot seem to be the most pressing. I think they should just hold on to Hedo and look toward the draft and free agency to solve those problems. We are going pretty damn good the way we are now. Really happy with how much tougher and smarter we are palying with SVG as our coach. I think he is the best Magic coach ever. Which is'nt saying a whole lot but he is a very good coach.

[MJallday59]

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Brian Cook if he continues his recent play

An 8 point scorer is not what we need next to dwight. How many rebounds has this guy had in his entire career???? I think Dwight beat that amount in his first ten games. So um...no

[parso15]

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Did you ever consider the fact that Lewis doesn't have the handle Hedo does nor does he have the basketball IQ thus he is only delivering when someone does the "dirty work" offensively.
I mean to base ones argument just on ones height with misguided stats to back it up is kind of weak to say the least...

[mhectorgato]

An 8 point scorer is not what we need next to dwight. How many rebounds has this guy had in his entire career???? I think Dwight beat that amount in his first ten games. So um...no

He goes from "we traded Ariza for this " to potential starter, in what, 6 games.

[electrofat]

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Why trade Hedo? If we trade Hedo for a PF, it would be very hard to acquire another player that can match Hedo's production and ablities. It would be hard to get someone that can score, pass and be a matchup nightmate like Hedo. Its easier to acquire a PF that can rebound and play some decent defense while keeping Hedo. Thats really what we need. We dont need a great PF, just a decent one that can do the dirty work. And again, this team is not a finished product and its gonna take some time to acquire those other pieces, the FA period, expring contracts and draft are gonna into play.

dude ur totally right,

[huge4]

I am sick and tired of this let smove shard to his natural position talk.

The only natural position shard has is chucking up 3's, collecting benjamins, and hitting game winners. He can play 1-5. He has no natural position.

Sorry man, but you're wrong.

I've lived in Seattle for the last 11 years and have watched Shard his whole career. I started a thread about Lewis playing PF over the summer and predicted all the problems he's currently having.

His natural position isn't Chucking up 3's. For the Sonics, he was thier best post player. I think he's Orlando's most skilled post player too, he's just to light to do it against a PF.

The reason he looks so one dimensional for us is he's only playing half his game. He isn't a slasher, so his only advantage over a bigger stronger player is to take them outside.

To say his only offensive weapon is the 3 ball shows you never watched him until he came here. Against SF's he is an allstar. Against PFs he's only an above average player.

[PimpORL]

According to 82games Hedo is ridiculously good at SG. Perhaps it could be an experiment one day if things start to faulter again.

lol no he's not. Look under minutes. He didn't even play 1% of the minutes at SG, that's why his numbers look good at SG.

[PimpORL]

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Did you ever consider the fact that Lewis doesn't have the handle Hedo does nor does he have the basketball IQ thus he is only delivering when someone does the "dirty work" offensively.
I mean to base ones argument just on ones height with misguided stats to back it up is kind of weak to say the least...

No, because that isn't true? Basing my argument on height and misguided stats lol. All your posts on this board have been about Hedo. I'm not the biased one. I don't care who the better player is as long as we win, but Rashard is definitely much better.

[PimpORL]

By the way, I just noticed Rashard's PER right now is the lowest it's ever been since his rookie season. It's still decent, he's still more efficient than Hedo and I understand that SVG is trying to make due since we don't have Battie, but PF is not his position.

[noblejedi777]

what in the world? what is up with all this trade hedo nonsense? The guy is having a fabulous year and an even better season. He is the biggest reason why we are doing so well. Why, ask me why would any gm in his right mind trade a player of his caliber. Shard is struggling, but Hedo is thriving and hitting his stride. Shard will be just fine. Somehow someway, they will find a way to coexist with one another, and that rests on the shoulders of SVG.

I want to see both of them thrive here in Magic blue, we have two fine players who creates problems and mismatches with other opposing teams, "pick your poison". It draws players off of Dwight and opens up the floor for others to create. Players and fans cant get so caught up in position, just go out and ball. Play your game and keep racking up the W's.

Go Magic!

[noblejedi777]

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man love your quote. esp from someone who has seen Shard play. Who knows, maybe when we get a solid PF, (Batman, we miss you) Hedo can come off the bench and become the most dangerous 6th man in the league, and move Shard back over to 3 where he is more comfortable.

[parso15]

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man love your quote. esp from someone who has seen Shard play. Who knows, maybe when we get a solid PF, (Batman, we miss you) Hedo can come off the bench and become the most dangerous 6th man in the league, and move Shard back over to 3 where he is more comfortable.

Excuse me but I don't get why Shard does not get relegated to the bench... just because he is overpaid? I mean if he comes of the bench he will be playing SF so he should pull a MJ if you ask some folks around here...

[parso15]

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No, because that isn't true? Basing my argument on height and misguided stats lol. All your posts on this board have been about Hedo. I'm not the biased one. I don't care who the better player is as long as we win, but Rashard is definitely much better.

Yes I am biased (I am Turkish but I used to hate Hedo because he played selfish... believe me I cursed at him more than anyone) but at least I know stuff about basketball other than some lame stats... do you really argue that Shard does have better ballhandling skills & play making skills?
You have give credit to the guy playing fundamental basketball.... Hedo's got my love not because he's Turkish but because he adds value to his teammates and does his best for the team. I couldn't care less who the better player is one on one... thats not the issue here!

[TNMagicFan]

An 8 point scorer is not what we need next to dwight. How many rebounds has this guy had in his entire career???? I think Dwight beat that amount in his first ten games. So um...no

What the hell is wrong with you ? We don't have a true PF so we got to make due with what we have unless Otis makes a trade .

I did say "if he continues his recent play" . If he does he can be a consistent double figure scorer IMO . He has a good jumper so he would draw his defender out of the paint to give Dwight more room to operate . As far as rebounding goes , I can't see his rebounding being much worse than Shard's .

[Furinkazan]

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Excuse me but I don't get why Shard does not get relegated to the bench... just because he is overpaid? I mean if he comes of the bench he will be playing SF so he should pull a MJ if you ask some folks around here...

If You want to see pissed Shard then ok go ahead.

[richboy]

Hedo is a better player than Rashard. Really as the season has went on I'm struggling to find a skill that Rashard is much better at. Hedo post game has even improved. You trade Hedo you loose the teams best ball handler and passer. Really the only perimeter guy that can create his own shot. If it wasn't for the money there no question who you would trade.

[lovehoops01]

Well, my night is pretty much complete now.


The answer is not to trade Hedo. The answer is to get a real power forward. And unfortunately, I think you guys are going to have to show a little patience because I don't know if Otis is going to be able to pull that off this season. Whoever said that they need a little time to finish off this team is correct. I don't see moving Cook to PF as the solution. They already are bringing him in first off the bench a lot of times to rest either Rashard or Hedo in the first quarter so that guy can go back in when the other goes out to lead the second unit, too. They need a different kind of player than Cook there as the starter for the long term, someone who is really active and also can hit the short jumper.

[sipe75]

There is absolutely no way Rashard is better than Hedo. I can not believe how vastly overrated the 3pt shot is to fans. Hedo has better stats than Rashard in pretty much every category except 3pt fg% in less minutes. Hedo can dribble, pass, and even rebound better than shard. How is Shard better? And then you want to trade Hedo, the only guy on the team that can penetrate, finish or pass to an open man. Ridiculous! And then people want to put Brian Cook in the line-up? He is worse than Rashard at guarding pf's. Put Hedo at the two? Should we even attempt to play D? Hedo can't guard 2's. I also can't believe how many people completely disregard defense. Wow! I'm just glad you guys aren't the head coach. I'm just completely baffled. How many of the other top teams in the NBA have guys at least one guy that can defend the perimeter and one guy that can defend the paint. I can't think of any. I wish we could trade Rashard for a decent pf, but no one in their right mind would want him at his contract.

[Optimus_Steel]

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I think that would be alright if Hedo could play SG, but we can get a much better PF if we trade Hedo. He's our best tradeable asset right now and it makes sense because SF is Rashard's natural position.

Hedo's trying to play outside of his game. I'm not saying he's statpadding, but he really shouldn't be taking this many shots and he shouldn't have the ball as much as he does.

He's not as good offensively as Rashard. Like d12fan said, we'd be better off with Rashard playing SF and punishing teams with his height. For the last 2 seasons with the Sonics Rashard has had almost a 59% TS% while scoring over 20 ppg. That's ridiculously efficient.

Another thing is that Rashard makes clutch shots because he's clutch. Hedo's makes clutch shots because he takes so many damn shots.

Based on 82games.com
Rashard 65% eFG% in clutch situations
Hedo 48% eFG% in clutch situations

LMAO, Why should'nt Hedo have the ball as much as he has been? He happens to have a good handle. He can put the ball on the floor effectively, he can create for his teamates. He is probably the best passer and creator on the team. He can shoot mid range and outside. He can penetrate and score inside. He creates mismatches with his size and skills. He has been very effective. He is the leading 4th quarter scorer by far. Why shouldnt he have the ball more? Your point that Hedo shouldnt have the ball more is ridiculous.