Denton: REDICK'S FRUSTRATION OVER NOT PLAYING AT A BOILING P

[Cammo101]

Sort of ironic that out of our two undersized white boy shooters who got constantly compared to each other last season, we let Diener walk and he gets plenty of playing time in Indy while our lottery pick player rots on the bench.

That is because Indy is terrible and Tinsley was hurt. Diener wouldn't be playing here either.

[JigenDaisuke]

when I was watching the Shaq press conference today they mentioned when Steve Kerr played for the Magic. He never got any time either and then we traded him to the bulls and played well for them. We never got him any time either and we had Shaq. To me Redick is a similar player and for some reason we can't get him time and we have another big man who would benefit from a good shooter. Its very strange.

[maginno]

Interesting. If it were anyone but Denton then I'd blow it off but if he was floored then JJ must be impressive. still the timing of being given access to see JJ in practice is curious. Theres been a lot recently about JJ and playing time almost like he's about to be moved but how does it help to let out that JJ wants to be moved and how does it help Otis to deal with the issue of letting go of an "impressive" player.

I suspect they are getting ready to shop him but didn't expect Denton to be that Gung ho over JJ

Devin as usual you make no sense. Denton was given an opening to ask JJ those questions and JJ answered. I don't see him putting anyone down just explaining his position. You don't have the power or force of rational reasoning to tell anyone to shut their trap.

[Devin 1L]

when I was watching the Shaq press conference today they mentioned when Steve Kerr played for the Magic. He never got any time either and then we traded him to the bulls and played well for them. We never got him any time either and we had Shaq. To me Redick is a similar player and for some reason we can't get him time and we have another big man who would benefit from a good shooter. Its very strange.

Their situations are different though.

It'd be different if we had Scottie and Mike handling the ball, and Redick at the "point".

Redick is matched up with larger and more athletic two guards.

Don't get me wrong, I think Redick can be an effective match-up player, but with us winning and players ahead of him playing well, I think he should keep his mouth shut.

Interesting. If it were anyone but Denton then I'd blow it off but if he was floored then JJ must be impressive. still the timing of being given access to see JJ in practice is curious. Theres been a lot recently about JJ and playing time almost like he's about to be moved but how does it help to let out that JJ wants to be moved and how does it help Otis to deal with the issue of letting go of an "impressive" player.

I suspect they are getting ready to shop him but didn't expect Denton to be that Gung ho over JJ

Devin as usual you make no sense.

Thankfully I always have you to "correct me".

Denton was given an opening to ask JJ those questions and JJ answered.

Denton didn't say crap about anyone else. He asked Redick about himself and and Redick went off talking about Evans and Bogans.

I don't see him putting anyone down just explaining his position. You don't have the power or force of rational reasoning to tell anyone to shut their trap.

lol

Teach me, won't you?

[JigenDaisuke]

well maybe Redick figures if he starts saying stuff like this they will trade him which is probably what will happen and what he wants.

[laVal03]

coming from Denton it is very intriguing, I've never been a "u gotta play JJ" guy unless we are up by alot or getting blown out, if it ain't broke then don't fix it
but I would like to see what he could do in about 15-20 minutes of pt and if anything else let the rest of the NBA see

[richboy]

Actually I was like oh its Denton. Do I think he really was that impressive knowing his relationship with JJ and Otis. Perhaps he was tearing it up in practice. Fact is its not like tearing up Magic SGs in practice is that big of a deal. Shutting them down defensively really isn't that big of a deal.

IMO JJ won't be happy until he is exposed on the court. SVG knows that if he plays JJ consistently teams will do what GS and Detroit did and go on a series of Isolation plays. SVG knows that JJ physically can not challenge many SGs shot. That him guarding any of the top SGs is spell for disaster.

If it was me I give JJ Kobe for 30 minutes. If u dont get destroyed then your starting Sg. If u do no more crying for time.

[magicman123]

if bogans and arroyo left, it would be perfect for redick..i just hope he stays here long enough to get playing time

[oakfanintheeast]

sorry, a benchwarmers has no reason to complain. Its evident he values playing time over winning, and thats someone orlando doesn't need on their team. is a 12th man really becoming a cancer?

you would think because redick didnt win at duke, he would keep quiet and go with the flow. Anyone with a clue knew that magic should have taken Brewer, and redick was probably a 2nd round pick, but orlando was stupid enough to fall into the college success trap.

With that said, orlando is playing fine, and they dont need to experiment right now.

Finally, Redick was always a little baby at duke, and his immaturity is showing. Van Gundy needs to shut him up, or trade or cut him. Orlando doesnt need a role player( his best possible situation) to be whining all the time. Redick should be happy he's taking part of the playoff run.

[richboy]

if bogans and arroyo left, it would be perfect for redick..i just hope he stays here long enough to get playing time

Why would you want that. The only way Redick plays is if the SG position is horrible. In essence the article is suggesting that if some players leave JJ is the starting SG by default. There may not be a team in the NBA with a worse cast of SGs than Orlando and he wants to be traded. If you can't beat out Keith Bogans and get time from SVG then where can he play.

[Hotshot Hower]

Mr. Redick is being shopped.

Thats it.

C'mon, three or four stories within a week or two about his trade demand and lack of PT.

Lets just wait and see what we'll get back in return.

[sportsrock37]

Mr. Redick is being shopped.

Thats it.

C'mon, three or four stories within a week or two about his trade demand and lack of PT.

Lets just wait and see what we'll get back in return.

I sure hope you are right and that the hoopshype rumor is true regarding Haslem.

[theTHIEF]

i'd love to hold onto him, and honestly i think we are going to...but if the rumor is true and we end up with Haslem for Redick, im all for that trade...outside of that trade, i say forget it...

[sportsrock37]

i'd love to hold onto him, and honestly i think we are going to...but if the rumor is true and we end up with Haslem for Redick, im all for that trade...outside of that trade, i say forget it...

I'd pretty much take anyone that would fit into our rotation for him. Redick is the 12th man most nights, so why not trade him for someone who might have less potential but would actually crack our rotation.

[theTHIEF]

Redick has marketability and he's the best offensive player on our team...even though we haven't seen him...when i went to those summer league games, the kid was just drilling every shot, he had to be shooting 70% out there...so i have the feeling that he can be a very powerful weapon and not the next Trajan Langdon...

so for that reason i think we should hang on and try and work him into a few games this year and push him next season...

Haslem is just a perfect guy for us...there arent too many guys out there that are young and offer what Haslem does that we could trade Red for...

[JigenDaisuke]

I think hes gone. But Haslem sounds too good to be true.

[sportsrock37]

Redick has marketability and he's the best offensive player on our team...even though we haven't seen him...when i went to those summer league games, the kid was just drilling every shot, he had to be shooting 70% out there...so i have the feeling that he can be a very powerful weapon and not the next Trajan Langdon...

so for that reason i think we should hang on and try and work him into a few games this year and push him next season...

Haslem is just a perfect guy for us...there arent too many guys out there that are young and offer what Haslem does that we could trade Red for...

How much marketability does he really have? How many people buy Magic tickets to go see JJ? How many commercials is JJ in? If he started playing maybe, but right now Carlos Arroyo has tons more marketability then he does and you couldn't pay me enough to watch Carlos Arroyo play(if he wasn't on the Magic).

Best offensive weapon on the team? What the hell are you smoking? He might be our best shooter, but do you really think he is a better offensive weapon then Hedo Turkoglu? Rashard Lewis? Dwight Howard? You could say he's better than Dwight skill wise, but still Dwight is avg over 20 ppg in the NBA, something that JJ can only dream about.

This is the same situation as Ariza earlier in the year, with how talented Ariza was, he couldn't crack SVG's rotation, so we traded him for 2 guys that would crack our rotation. So far it's panned out for us as Mo Evans and Cook are playing pretty good right now. I would happily do a similar deal getting rid of JJ to get 2 lesser named players that would make our rotation and would make an impact on the floor, rather than JJ sitting on the pine as a 12th man.

I really hope JJ Redick is on another team by the deadline, so we don't have to hear about how such a "great player" can't crack SVG's rotation with a plethora of mediocre at best SG's. Not to mention that we actually get something decent in return for him.

[theTHIEF]

im not really going to get into a huge debate over my opinions...

but on the subject of his marketability...

everyone who knows basketball knows JJ...NCAA fans are more than NBA fans...there are a lot of JJ haters, but there are also a heap of supporters...college stars like JJ make for well followed stars in the NBA...

sure Arroyo has more fans in the stands in Orlando, but put JJ in a Chicago, Charlotte, Indy, Dallas etc. jersey and you will have a grip of fans there specifically to see JJ, an that's TODAY without him getting any PT...even today he has a bunch of fans at the games in Orlando...not as many as Arroyo, but more than any other non-playing player has...

JJ has the wholesome, all american marketability...there will be kids coming out of the woodwork to support JJ if he makes it big...

whats better than the kid who dominated college ball, coming into the bigs and dominating?

and im sorry you arent able to see that a kid who can shoot from anywhere on the court, be it setup, jump shot, turn around, fading away, pushing off, 34' out or driving for the layups isnt the best weapon we have for offense...but it's probably true...with good spread, and having the ball dropped into his hands anywhere on the court, his main goal is ball in basket, and more often than not, he wins that battle...

all this data and the funny thing is, im not a JJ fan...i wish we never drafted him to be honest...i'd be happy with Armstrong/Brewer/Douby/Balkman/Rondo/Marcus Williams/Boone/Shannon Brown/Farmar/Boobie/Alexander Johnson...but we didnt get them, we got Redick, and he has tools...tools we've never seen in Orlando...he just needs the right workup and the minutes...

[Bensational]

[quote="sportsrock37"][/quote]

you don't see how he's marketable, but you admit that there's always talk about JJ not getting time.

the very fact that people are talking about him shows he's got a following.

how many articles were written in Arroyo's favour back when he was the on the bench? how much attention has he really got all season, despite a more visible fan base and a starting role?


side note, i'm actually starting to think the kid's being shopped. it really wouldn't suprise me to see a deal go down at the deadline.

[sportsrock37]

im not really going to get into a huge debate over my opinions...

but on the subject of his marketability...

everyone who knows basketball knows JJ...NCAA fans are more than NBA fans...there are a lot of JJ haters, but there are also a heap of supporters...college stars like JJ make for well followed stars in the NBA...

sure Arroyo has more fans in the stands in Orlando, but put JJ in a Chicago, Charlotte, Indy, Dallas etc. jersey and you will have a grip of fans there specifically to see JJ, an that's TODAY without him getting any PT...even today he has a bunch of fans at the games in Orlando...not as many as Arroyo, but more than any other non-playing player has...

JJ has the wholesome, all american marketability...there will be kids coming out of the woodwork to support JJ if he makes it big...

whats better than the kid who dominated college ball, coming into the bigs and dominating?

and im sorry you arent able to see that a kid who can shoot from anywhere on the court, be it setup, jump shot, turn around, fading away, pushing off, 34' out or driving for the layups isnt the best weapon we have for offense...but it's probably true...with good spread, and having the ball dropped into his hands anywhere on the court, his main goal is ball in basket, and more often than not, he wins that battle...

all this data and the funny thing is, im not a JJ fan...i wish we never drafted him to be honest...i'd be happy with Armstrong/Brewer/Douby/Balkman/Rondo/Marcus Williams/Boone/Shannon Brown/Farmar/Boobie/Alexander Johnson...but we didnt get them, we got Redick, and he has tools...tools we've never seen in Orlando...he just needs the right workup and the minutes...

Ok, I'll agree with you in marketability. Hell there are more threads about JJ on here then there are on any other player(maybe Turkoglu has more).

Do you really believe that Stan Van Gundy would bench the best player on the team in offense????? I mean if JJ is a better offensive player than Turkoglu, why is Turkoglu starting? Turkoglu is an avg at best defender, shouldn't we start JJ at SG and Evans at SF in that case if JJ is our best offensive player? Obviously JJ isn't one of the top 4 options, because if he was then Jameer wouldn't be starting. Only 1 of Jameer and JJ can start while not being a liability and I guarantee you Jameer isn't starting because of his defense. (I'm aware that he lost his starting spot because of injury to Arroyo, but he'll be back starting) If JJ was really the best player on our team offensively, he would be starting at SG and someone like Dooling would be our starting PG(to mask his defensive deficiencies).

I must be dumb or something, because I don't understand the hype for him. He was a helluva player in college, so I can see why they have fans, but this is the NBA. Forget what he accomplished in college. He is the 12th man here in Orlando. So isn't it common sense that if 1 guy isn't seeing the floor at all and likely won't see the floor much at all and he has a little bit of trade value and you could get someone that would see the floor and make an impact on the game, why wouldn't you take that deal even if the player has less perceived potential? Isn't someone who can crack the rotation and get some PT more valuable then someone who doesn't?

Don't get me wrong, he's a lights out shooter and is a big time scorer, but he does absolutely nothing else. He doesn't get assists, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense. He can't impact a game without getting the ball. Who would you rather him get the ball over? Hedo? Shard? Dwight? Honestly what would be the point of him being in the game if he would be the 4th option?????? At best he would be the #3 option(Dwight has to be in with JJ in to spread the floor and our offense just falls apart when Turk or Shard isn't on the floor). JJ is at his best when there are plays run for him and he is a top 2 option scoring, he just won't ever have that opportunity in Orlando.

Hell being the JJ fans that many of you are, why wouldn't you want him traded? He's not gonna get the PT or the ball enough where he can flourish here in Orlando, so why don't you want the best for him and let him get dealt somewhere that he can get on the court rather than warming the bench.