Calling Dwight Out!!

[MagicFan149]

mhectorgato youre right about dwight and rashard needing someone to create for them but .... for instance when dwight and hedo are out of the game the offensive focus should then swith to shard ... he has ball handling problems at times so why not post him up and try to draw doubles and kick it out... or just take it himself ... but instead when hedo and dwight are out shard becomes invisible and whoever the pg and sg are at the time start taking ill advised shots instead of going to the smart easy play

[mhectorgato]

mhectorgato youre right about dwight and rashard needing someone to create for them but .... for instance when dwight and hedo are out of the game the offensive focus should then swith to shard ... he has ball handling problems at times so why not post him up and try to draw doubles and kick it out... or just take it himself ... but instead when hedo and dwight are out shard becomes invisible and whoever the pg and sg are at the time start taking ill advised shots instead of going to the smart easy play

That's why I've said there needs to be a collective understanding, not just between Dwight and SVG.

[Magicalltheway]

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So Dwight's "attitude" problem is Ra$hard'$ fault?


To me if he's unhappy and is playing uninspired, it's an attitude problem.

I didnt say that at all, two seperate issues. Sorry if it sounded that way.

[mhectorgato]

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I didnt say that at all, two seperate issues. Sorry if it sounded that way.

Gotcha ....

So if it's not Dwight's fault and it's not Rashard's fault, who do you feel is to blame?

(me thinks it's a collective issue - part Dwight, part SVG (game plan), part mentality of the Gs and Fs)

[Magicalltheway]

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Gotcha ....

So if it's not Dwight's fault and it's not Rashard's fault, who do you feel is to blame?

(me thinks it's a collective issue - part Dwight, part SVG (game plan), part mentality of the Gs and Fs)

Im not saying they are each other's problems. This is more of a collective issue than just one or two. Partly, Shard is to be blamed for his lack of effectiveness. Much more involvement is need from him than just standing in the corner. And on the defencive end he has no team help what so ever.

On the Dwight part, he seems to have shifted his contribution to the team. From the defensive monster in the paint to want to do it all and he is just not ready to do both. May be next year or the year after. He is only 21 and only 3 yrs in the league. He needs to have patience and be coachable. Follow what his choaches want him to do and every thing else will fall in place for him.

previously, his points would come off of easy put backs and offensive rebounds. but now he wants to be the one who initiates the shots and leaves no one else to rebound.

[Typhoon20]

dwight will get his touches end of story. why limit dwight to just rebounds and defense when he can take over on offense? it has never made sense to me and never will. give dwight 14 or 15 shots a game and its an automatic 24 or 25ppg.

Will you STFU about Dwight getting more touches in every single of your damn post ?

Get this:
DWIGHT IS ALREADY AVERAGING 17.9 SHOTS A GAME.

[maginno]

Lets inject some honesty in this

if center A averages 22 point and 8 rebounds
and center B averages 8 points and 22 rebounds

who has a better chance selling sneakers, jerseys, appearing at the All Stars and breaking into super star status?

Stan can say what he wants but ANY agent Dwight has or gets is going to push for him to be the focus of the offense. The issue will not go away. Dwight's agent won't allow for him to totally get SVG's message. Dwight will have to get the ball more

[mhectorgato]

Lets inject some honesty in this

if center A averages 22 point and 8 rebounds
and center B averages 8 points and 22 rebounds

who has a better chance selling sneakers, jerseys, appearing at the All Stars and breaking into super star status?

Stan can say what he wants but ANY agent Dwight has or gets is going to push for him to be the focus of the offense. The issue will not go away. Dwight's agent won't allow for him to totally get SVG's message. Dwight will have to get the ball more

This is a possibility, but hopefully not.

However, if we didn't go away from him as much, it would be a win/win situation. He'd get his points as well as his rebounds.

Also, having a 4 like Tony would help out as well. It would ease the defensive and rebounding burden that he currently has. This would allow him to be more superstar like.

[Magicalltheway]

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Will you STFU about Dwight getting more touches in every single of your damn post ?

Get this:
DWIGHT IS ALREADY AVERAGING 17.9 SHOTS A GAME.

WOW, dude calm down. He is expressing this thoughts like everyone else no need to bad mouth or get personal.

[magicfan4life05]

Lets inject some honesty in this

if center A averages 22 point and 8 rebounds
and center B averages 8 points and 22 rebounds

who has a better chance selling sneakers, jerseys, appearing at the All Stars and breaking into super star status?

Stan can say what he wants but ANY agent Dwight has or gets is going to push for him to be the focus of the offense. The issue will not go away. Dwight's agent won't allow for him to totally get SVG's message. Dwight will have to get the ball more

im gonna say something, and i wanna hear what others have to say, which is similar to your post. I'm sure we've all seen how oden got that commercial with espn about advertising bigmen, now i find it interesting how we all thought d12 didnt get the media hype like melo, lebron, wade because they were all your prototypical nba superstar swingmen. But then i see this commercial with espn, and i cant help but think, this guy hasnt done anything, and we have d12, one of the TOP bigs in the game and he cant get anything....and im sure this must've crossed howard's mind at some point. I'm dont know if it's good or bad, but i guess human nature. what do you guys think?

[sportsrock37]

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Will you STFU about Dwight getting more touches in every single of your damn post ?

Get this:
DWIGHT IS ALREADY AVERAGING 17.9 SHOTS A GAME.

Uhhhh..... Dwight has taken 647 shots this season and in 53 games that avgs out to about 12.21 shots per game. I guess if you are counting his FT's it's about 18 shots per game, but shot attempts it's only 12 a game. Dwight's only gotten 18 shots in 3 games this entire season. Turk and Shard both have more shot attempts then Dwight this season and considering both are avg less than Dwight I think that's pretty bad gameplanning to not get Dwight the ball more.

[MagicFan149]

i heard around the draft how they were saying oden was the best bigman prospect in the last decade... and he was a once in a decade prospect.... hello theres this guy that almost led the leauge in rebounds this year and is still only 22!

[The Letter J]

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Uhhhh..... Dwight has taken 647 shots this season and in 53 games that avgs out to about 12.21 shots per game. I guess if you are counting his FT's it's about 18 shots per game, but shot attempts it's only 12 a game. Dwight's only gotten 18 shots in 3 games this entire season. Turk and Shard both have more shot attempts then Dwight this season and considering both are avg less than Dwight I think that's pretty bad gameplanning to not get Dwight the ball more.

qft. I'd like to hear the original poster's response to that.

[karizma87]

what worries me is that mr.howard wants touches to pad his stats rather than to have a more efficient offence run through him. if that's the case, he needs to shut his trap because offensively he is just a more glorified ben wallace with slightly better finishing when he's close to the basket, and I mean real close. if he wants more touches offensively, he needs to improve (in decreasing priority):

a) passing out of double teams, decision making
b) FREE THROWS
c) making a move to the basket, i.e. nothing good happens when he goes baseline, and he looks quite awkward making moves (except his spin move, which seems fine)
d) a jump shot...if he has one


until these improvements are made, he needs to shut his trap and carry his team wherever they need him, WHICH IS A LOT. he is our only prime rebounder and shotblocker and he needs to bring that every night, which takes A LOT OF FREAKIN ENERGY, so if he gets less touches on offence and saves his energy, I'm all for it, because we have other guys to make up for it...


PS: calling for more touches for dwight IS stupid, not because he doesn't deserve them but because it depends on the game's pace, opposition and how we're defended....

[lovehoops01]

I agree that they need to figure out how to get Dwight the ball more easily. But . . . how is Dwight getting to the free-throw line if there are no shot attempts on those possessions? He's never taking shots when he gets fouled (those don't count as free-throw attempts if he doesn't sink the basket)?

I got pretty mad when I heard that Oden stuff, too, but this is partially a problem on a league level. Dwight is playing center for them on USA Basketball and has done what they have asked. The league needs to do more to promote him. ESPN is supposed to be their "broadcast partner.'' The league needs to make sure it is promoting guys who are working for them.

[lovehoops01]

what worries me is that mr.howard wants touches to pad his stats rather than to have a more efficient offence run through him. if that's the case, he needs to shut his trap because offensively he is just a more glorified ben wallace with slightly better finishing when he's close to the basket, and I mean real close. if he wants more touches offensively, he needs to improve (in decreasing priority):

a) passing out of double teams, decision making
b) FREE THROWS
c) making a move to the basket, i.e. nothing good happens when he goes baseline, and he looks quite awkward making moves (except his spin move, which seems fine)
d) a jump shot...if he has one


until these improvements are made, he needs to shut his trap and carry his team wherever they need him, WHICH IS A LOT. he is our only prime rebounder and shotblocker and he needs to bring that every night, which takes A LOT OF FREAKIN ENERGY, so if he gets less touches on offence and saves his energy, I'm all for it, because we have other guys to make up for it...


PS: calling for more touches for dwight IS stupid, not because he doesn't deserve them but because it depends on the game's pace, opposition and how we're defended....

C'mon now....You're not going to try to tell us that Turk doesn't get enough touches, are you?

Dwight does deserve more touches because he's being asked to do a lot of the rest of the work on the team and needs to be rewarded for doing it. He does have the highest shooting percentage on the team. The problem is getting him the ball cleanly.

At some level, it's kind of a Catch 22, though. They bring in shooters to open up the floor for him. But they are shooters and they need shots, too. That's Van Gundy's problem to solve, and he needs to figure that out.

[vinageras]

I'm not against SVG calling Dwight out for being lazy on defense. It is true, he's the star of this team, if he doesn't do his work at defense, we might get murderes (specially this season).

But, I do think the offense is wrongly distributed. Perhaps it's not a matter of touches, but of streaks. It is amazing how Dwight might be dominating the game going 5-5 FG, with 10 points in 6 minutes on the 1st quarter, and suddenly he's forgotten, and ends up the game 5-8 FG (with 3 attempts forced).

The other problem I see relates to chemistry issues. It is true that SVG has called out Dwight's name correctly for missing out on defense, but how about our SG's? They've been also missing on defense, but they've not been singled out by SVG, nor he has given JJ a chance.

In other words, credit to where credit is deserved, but SVG needs to watch out some flaws of his philosophy that might lead to more damage done to the team...

[craig01]

Nobody "deserves" touches.

Not on a good team anyway.

Take what they give you, exploit the opponents weakness.

I'm not sure Howard in the 4th quarter against a playoff team is capable of exploiting a weakness yet.

[Typhoon20]

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Uhhhh..... Dwight has taken 647 shots this season and in 53 games that avgs out to about 12.21 shots per game. I guess if you are counting his FT's it's about 18 shots per game, but shot attempts it's only 12 a game. Dwight's only gotten 18 shots in 3 games this entire season. Turk and Shard both have more shot attempts then Dwight this season and considering both are avg less than Dwight I think that's pretty bad gameplanning to not get Dwight the ball more.

Of course you have to count the FT's, those are touches too.

[karizma87]

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Dwight does deserve more touches because he's being asked to do a lot of the rest of the work on the team and needs to be rewarded for doing it. He does have the highest shooting percentage on the team. The problem is getting him the ball cleanly.

great logic...

I thought players got rewarded with salaries and playing time. if you reward a player with touches/stats (especially the wrong ones), then that's not necessarily a good outcome for THE TEAM.

dwight has a good fg%, because 9/10 of his baskets are dunks or little baby hooks, and he gets those when the offence gets off of him. just setting him up for the sake of giving him touches is just dumb unless he starts doing what I listed the previous page, because it won;t work.