OT: Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

Cammo101 · Post #21 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:06 am

My uncle is pretty high up in the mormon church in Orlando. He is always inviting those door to door guys in for drinks and stuff. I have had some amazing arguements with those guys where I basically did everything I could to convince them their religion was wrong. I'm fairly certain I made at least a few question their faith.

Shishnizzle · Post #22 » by **Shishnizzle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:38 am

I think if it was conclusive, there would'nt be so many splinter groups, and if you believe something like that you should look at all possablities. If you have faith that god will keep you and protect you, then you should'nt be scared to look at all groups. The bible say's to study to show thyself approved and you will learn alot by looking at all the different beliefs. I have studied the Mormon belief and lots of others. I can tell you none of them have it exactly right. Stick to the basics and don't condemn anyone because if you recognize your own imperfection then you will only condemn yourself.

BassMaster · Post #23 » by **BassMaster** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:39 am

Cammo101 wrote:My uncle is pretty high up in the mormon church in Orlando. He is always inviting those door to door guys in for drinks and stuff. I have had some amazing arguements with those guys where I basically did everything I could to convince them their religion was wrong. I'm fairly certain I made at least a few question their faith.

I truly doubt that, but they wanted you to feel good that is just their nature. Keep you feeling good even when you are acting the fool when it comes to the church.

aleZ · Post #24 » by **aleZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:02 am

Many homes have signs on their gates reading "Jeovah's witnesses not allowed" but they usually tear'em apart and annoy the hell out of everybody anyway. I'm glad there are no mormons around here, though.

MrOrlando · Post #25 » by **MrOrlando** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:54 am

From what I recall from one of the super informative pamphlets, their religion is based out of New York in the early 1900s by a guy named John Smith ..or John Thomas, something so ridiculously hard to track because it's so generic it'd be damn near impossible to ..

Apparently, he began having hallucinations of seeing the devil in the forest, then had a vision of an angel in his room that told him to go to a hill in a clearing that had a tablet buried inside the hill in a cement enclosure, ol' JS went there and dug it up, found the tablets (I think he was the only one who could see them, I could be wrong) and what was on those tablets is what Mormonism was based on.

Now, who wouldn't be skeptical of that?

maginno · Post #26 » by **maginno** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:53 pm

DFlight wrote:From what I recall from one of the super informative pamphlets, their religion is based out of New York in the early 1900s by a guy named John Smith ..or John Thomas,

Joseph Smith but you are close enough. Archaeologists and historians have repeatedly proved the whole thing wrong but Mormons will have none of it.

Shishnizzle · Post #27 » by **Shishnizzle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:42 pm

The golden plates that the angel Moroni said nobody but Smith and his chosen 12 could see. After that the angel took them away to be revealed in the future. One of the central themes of the golden tablets comes from a scripture that before Jesus resurected to heaven he had to preach the word to a people he had that his Jewish comrads were not aware of. Those people were the Indians in america. So Jesus teleported over to America and preached the gospel to the Indians in america. I asked the elder that they sent to my house why there was no mention of Jesus in any of our american Indian history and he told me ( not sure if all mormons believe the following but he did say this to me). There was an un righteous darker skin tribe of Indians that killed all of the the righteous lighter skin tribe of Indians. That is why there was no history of what Jesus told the Indians in America. I said, well why would god allow that to happen, and that did'nt seem right to me. I decided Mormonism was'nt for me. Plus the Bible say's not to add anything to the words of the scripture and they added an entire book, but I'm not a christian any more so I am going to hell any way.

maginno · Post #28 » by **maginno** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:48 pm

BigCityCat wrote: There was an un righteous darker skin tribe of Indians that killed all of the the righteous lighter skin tribe of Indians.

That makes sense I know that they didn't even recognize black skinned people to fairly recent times just didn't know why.

aleZ · Post #29 » by **aleZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:24 pm

BigCityCat wrote:I'm not a christian any more so I am going to hell any way.

You better pickup that bible, I'd be scared to meet PatRiley and his posse down there.

(oh and good post btw)

BassMaster · Post #30 » by **BassMaster** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:56 pm

aleZ wrote:Many homes have signs on their gates reading "Jeovah's witnesses not allowed" but they usually tear'em apart and annoy the hell out of everybody anyway. I'm glad there are no mormons around here, though.

So I shouldn't tell you that the LDS Church is the fastest growing in the Orlando area also the fastest growing Christian religion in the world.
Also one of the largest land owners in the Orlando area. Just alittle trival for y'all.

Shishnizzle · Post #31 » by **Shishnizzle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:40 pm

Don't include me in the yall, cause all I did is state my understanding of the religion. I never said anything derogatory and if I'm wrong about anything you can all way's educate me. I have no problem with mormons.

Alez it took me a while to figure out what you meant by playing the Heat. That was pretty funny. I'm just an ignorant piece of the creation so I need mercy. I guess I need to try and be mercifool.

BassMaster · Post #32 » by **BassMaster** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:46 pm

BigCityCat wrote:Don't include me in the yall, cause all I did is state my understanding of the religion. I never said anything derogatory and if I'm wrong about anything you can all way's educate me. I have no problem with mormons.

Alez it took me a while to figure out what you meant by playing the Heat. That was pretty funny. I'm just an ignorant piece of the creation so I need mercy. I guess I need to try and be mercifool.

SS I should have denoted who I meant in y'all no it did not include BigCityCat. Just letting everyone know ok.
Not saying that the LDS Church is perfect far from that. It's just that non-mormons putting down religion is not cool, but alright for members like me who are not all that active considering the church has some problems with treating members the same as everyone else that is if y'all know what I mean.

inmate347 · Post #33 » by **inmate347** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:08 pm

Why do mormons never show up on moving day?

I'd be more that willing to listen to their BS while they were helping move my couch.

UKMagic · Post #34 » by **UKMagic** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:21 am

Lovin' the parachutes bit....lol

To be honest the people we hear the most from are the Scientologists. Am thinking of getting a dodgy sim for my old cell and maybe messin' with them for a bit....their recruitment drive in town is always good....

You walk by once with some sucker taking the stress test....

You go back and they're getting them to buy the L. Ron Hubbard book....

Be wary!

ivDT · Post #35 » by **ivDT** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:12 am

maginno wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Joseph Smith but you are close enough. Archaeologists and historians have repeatedly proved the whole thing wrong but Mormons will have none of it.

meh. no need for archaeologists and historians. i think south park did a good enough job putting mormonism in it's proper light.

dum dum dum dum dum.

MrOrlando · Post #36 » by **MrOrlando** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:22 am

Wacky mormons. I wonder how they react when Jehovas Witnesses come to their door, and vice versa?

BassMaster · Post #37 » by **BassMaster** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:29 am

DFlight wrote:Wacky mormons. I wonder how they react when Jehovas Witnesses come to their door, and vice versa?

I can answer that JW's run the other way. My step mom was so thrilled with that, that she was happy that I became a member.
I am not surprised that mag has nothing good to say about the LDS Church, but then she/he has nothing good to say about any one who disagree's with her/him.

BTW BYU has the longest home win streak in the country in mens basketball. Finished first regular season in the Mountain West Conference.
Not bad for any school and is ranked in several other sports. I wish that some of you would take your comments their the debate would prove interesting.

ivDT · Post #38 » by **ivDT** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:29 am

cougar13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I can answer that JW's run the other way. My step mom was so thrilled with that, that she was happy that I became a member.
I am not surprised that mag has nothing good to say about the LDS Church, but then she/he has nothing good to say about any one who disagree's with her/him.

BTW BYU has the longest home win streak in the country in mens basketball. Finished first regular season in the Mountain West Conference.
Not bad for any school and is ranked in several other sports. I wish that some of you would take your comments their the debate would prove interesting.

i agree.

a discussion of mormon sports would probably be more interesting if not more fitting for a board like this one.

is it true that the mormon church changed their stance on black people being the cursed children of ham--the person from the bible, not the cut of pork--because they wanted to be able to recruit black athletes to their colleges?

BassMaster · Post #39 » by **BassMaster** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:25 am

ivDT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i agree.

a discussion of mormon sports would probably be more interesting if not more fitting for a board like this one.

is it true that the mormon church changed their stance on black people being the cursed children of ham--the person from the bible, not the cut of pork--because they wanted to be able to recruit black athletes to their colleges?

No actually they had a major problem in Brazil with all of the converts their.
They will say that the President of the Church just was told by the Lord it was time to change, but the problem was they were converting a lot of people in Brazil, but couldn't tell who was all white and who wasn't. But that was all hushed up.
The LDS Church is the fastest growing church in Brazil it has the Catholic Church there all in a tizy.
BYU still to this day has a problem recruiting blacks because the school is so white there are only about 60 blacks who attend BYU in a typical year out of 37 thousand students so you see the problem.
Interesting most who do attend is because the school is so strict with it's moral code. And when I mean strict I do mean strict. Yes I attended BYU you have to sign a contract saying that you will abide by the Code of Conduct and Standards while you are a student at BYU. That contract is good for the entire time you are enrolled even when you are not on campus. Not kidding the campus police have gone after students who are on break and not on campus, but in some part of the state.
They are the only campus police who have state wide powers. The campus police is a force of about 55 cars and about 300 officers not a small force for a large campus. 900 acre's on the main campus.
Scaring you aren't I, but the Univesity provides a great education at a really great price if you can follow the contract it's worth it.

maginno · Post #40 » by **maginno** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:52 am

cougar13 wrote:I am not surprised that mag has nothing good to say about the LDS Church, but then she/he has nothing good to say about any one who disagree's with her/him.

Bad old Maginno. I mean everyone was just complimenting the LDS church before he came in. In fact he must have started the thread. Chip on the shoulder there my boy. but no I am not a fan of the Mormon church since much of what it claims can be discredited but being this is a sports board I don't have to say anything good about it as it is not a proper venue for religious arguments anyway.

However if you are trying to imply I made up what I said about their being an issue with blacks and Mormons then you can read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_Mormonism

Its a fact stated in the third paragraph that black were excluded from being priests and the article goes on to discuss other issues that make it very unlikely that the average black person would feel comfortable at a Mormon school.

Not getting into the nitty gritty of it because Like I said its not appropriate to get into a whole back and forth on a sports board. And for the record Cougar I had no idea you were a member of the church so the claim that I have nothing good to say about anyone who disagrees with me is - as is usual - false.