Dooling interested in rejoining Heat

NEM · Post #21 » by **NEM** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:29 pm

to win 30 games and be in the lottery for slightly more, or to win 55 games and have a shot at the title, for a couple thousand less??? hmmm no brainer much

SpaceCoastGator · Post #22 » by **SpaceCoastGator** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:03 am

I'd like to see Dooling in a sign and trade for Kyle Lowry (for his defense and his toughness)...I continue to feel PG is our biggest need. I think a Nelson/Lowry combo would be a nice pairing. With Conley & Crittenton, Lowry is expendable for the Grizzlies.

Post #23 » by **TheGlyde** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:25 am

surflawyer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No argument here but I can guarantee you that if Dooling was only looking at 3.5 or 4 mil he would have already been resigned the day after the deadline. I can also guarantee you that Dooling's agent was on the phone with Otis at 3:01 pm on the deadline giving him their demand for an extension. Dooling is asking for top dollar because he knows we can pay it (we have his rights) and he knows we have no money to replace him if he bolts.

Sorry surf, but I can 'guarantee' you that wasn't happening. NBA deals less than 4 years in length cannot be extended, there was never any way Dooling wasn't going to become a FA this offseason.

lovehoops01 · Post #24 » by **lovehoops01** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:24 am

I can't find this report on HoopsWorld so I don't know which Miami newspaper he is quoting, but it wouldn't really surprise me. I did find a Q&A with the Heat writer for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, and he said he could see the Heat signing someone like Keyon or Carlos this summer. He previously had mentioned Carlos several times as a possible signee. I hope Keyon does re-sign with Orlando, but you never know. They could sign Keyon instead and maybe Carlos ends up staying in Orlando. Or they could lose both guys.

Keyon hasn't really made a secret of the fact that he is a Florida guy. He probably would prefer to sign with Orlando or Miami, but the Magic had to outbid the New Jersey Nets to get him when they did. Fort Lauderdale is home and he is good friends with Dwyane Wade. Last season, during one of the Magic's games in Miami, Keyon's dad was quoted as saying that he wished Keyon still was playing for the Heat.

Also, Keyon didn't exactly say he was happy with his role with the Magic. He said that of course he would like more playing time but that is how Stan is using his guys and he was satisfied.

He could pull a DeShawn on the Magic. He has the same agent that DeShawn fired after that whole incident, and that agent probably isn't real happy with the Magic about all that. And probably the only reason Keyon wasn't re-signed by Miami to begin with was because Shaq thought he took too many shots in the playoffs his last season in Miami. Well, Shaq is not in Miami anymore so.... If he did pull a DeShawn, though, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a victory for the Magic. DeShawn ended up getting more than the Magic offered in the end so you could argue that he only lost money that one season.

You would think that Van Gundy might have something to say about this, but it's hard to tell. Keyon has been getting limited playing time lately so it's hard to say whether his foot still is bothering him -- he hasn't looked as sharp when he has played -- or if something else is going on there.

The Magic won't get Keyon cheap, though. He already is making $3.6 million this season, and he has been worth what he's making so he's not going to take a pay cut.

Finally, I see a lot of you saying that the Heat are doomed to the lottery for years. I think you are making a mistake if you say that. They might be down for a few years, but not necessarily. If they get the No. 1 pick and get Michael Beasley, if and Wade, Haslem and Marion are back healthy (or they use Marion in a trade to acquire someone else of value), plus they sign someone to the MLE and Zo is back, they have a shot to be good again next season. I wouldn't rule them out.

Max Power · Post #25 » by **Max Power** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:14 pm

It would show Otis Smith's real general manager skills if he lets Keyon walk. He'd better be preparing a fair offer to him. If we lose him that will be a grave mistake from our bench, let Arroyo go, who cares, Keyon and Evans are guys who need to stay.

Magicalltheway · Post #26 » by **Magicalltheway** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:59 pm

Besides the Lewis deal, we all know that Otis is not for spending more than a players true value. He would rather walk them out the door. But the fact that we have to have atlease Evans and or Dooling is no question. Even if it means for sign and trade values. Nevertheless, any trade will have to bring in another pg. The sole reason of Carlos and Dooling still being here is that we would not risk playing with only 2 pgs as it proved correct when both Jameer and Dooling went out for a couple of games.

This is going to be a very interesting summer. Any creative financing thoughts anyone?

surflawyer · Post #27 » by **surflawyer** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:40 pm

TheGlyde wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Sorry surf, but I can 'guarantee' you that wasn't happening. NBA deals less than 4 years in length cannot be extended, there was never any way Dooling wasn't going to become a FA this offseason.

Thanks Glyde, I didnt catch that. I forgot that Dooling was a three year deal.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #28 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:06 pm

I'm not as interested as bringing him back as much as most ppl on here. We have to upgrade somewhere. And it's not gonna be Jameer leaving.

Mo to me is the only must re-sign in off-season.

BassMaster · Post #29 » by **BassMaster** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:04 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I'm not as interested as bringing him back as much as most ppl on here. We have to upgrade somewhere. And it's not gonna be Jameer leaving.

Mo to me is the only must re-sign in off-season.

I would do a sign and trade for both Dooling and Carlos since we are all ready tied into a pg :banghead:

Evans needs to be resigned since he has earned the starting sg position, Bogans has a chance of opting out which in this case would be great for the Magic.

lovehoops01 · Post #30 » by **lovehoops01** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:42 am

Where do you recommend getting two more point guards from if you trade both Dooling and Arroyo or let them both walk (not to mention the fact that both are free to go to any team they want to go to so really have no incentive to do a sign and trade)?

BassMaster · Post #31 » by **BassMaster** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:54 am

lovehoops01 wrote:Where do you recommend getting two more point guards from if you trade both Dooling and Arroyo or let them both walk (not to mention the fact that both are free to go to any team they want to go to so really have no incentive to do a sign and trade)?

Sign and trade Dooling to Miami for Williams there is your other pg.
the team does not need three pgs that has been part of the problem getting them all playing time.
And then let Carlos go.
See about picking up Duhon he is dependable and is your typical pg not a shooting pg like Nelson. Though when he was getting minutes with the Bulls he was putting up so nice points.
Right now the Bulls are falling apart at the seams and because the East is so bad actually fighting for a playoff spot.

JazzItUp13 · Post #32 » by **JazzItUp13** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 am

why on earth would anyone want to play for the heat?

DiplomaticMagic · Post #33 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:37 am

And IMO, I don't see any chance of Bogans opting out, sadly.

thepritz · Post #34 » by **thepritz** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:04 am

JazzItUp13 wrote:why on earth would anyone want to play for the heat?

good question

Post #35 » by **SD2042** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:21 am

JazzItUp13 wrote:why on earth would anyone want to play for the heat?

Despite their record this season. The Heat have Wade and perhaps Marion to return to them for the following season. Riley will be tested in the offseason to the issues of getting the Heat build back up with better players to fit around Wade and Marion in order for the Heat to get back into playoff contention.

BassMaster · Post #36 » by **BassMaster** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:43 pm

JazzItUp13 wrote:why on earth would anyone want to play for the heat?

If you had read the other posts on this thread you wouldn't have asked this question, but since you didn't here goes.
Dooling is from that area so yes he has friends and family their, his primary home is in Ft. Lauderdale where his wife and three daughters live.
He played for the Heat still loves the Heat has said that in fact. That is why this topic was started because of a interview as in a Q&A he did for a Miami newspaper.
Ok does that answer your questions abouit why anyone would want to play for the Heat.
And yes the Heat have gotten rid of most of the deadwood so the team should be getting better is the other part of this, but for Dooling I think that is minor compared to the other reasons.
O one other thing is father also said in an interview that he and the family would love it if his son were to return to play for the Heat next season.
Just adding a tidbit to the mix.

drsd · Post #37 » by **drsd** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:21 pm

SD2042 wrote:Despite their record this season. The Heat have Wade and perhaps Marion to return to them for the following season. Riley will be tested in the offseason to the issues of getting the Heat build back up with better players to fit around Wade and Marion in order for the Heat to get back into playoff contention.

ALso, some of the aging vets will be shipped off. And a super-stud first pick will be found in the draft.

Miami is OK after the trade. I favor them to make the playoffs next season if they can find a starting PG.

BassMaster · Post #38 » by **BassMaster** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:15 pm

drsd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ALso, some of the aging vets will be shipped off. And a super-stud first pick will be found in the draft.

Miami is OK after the trade. I favor them to make the playoffs next season if they can find a starting PG.

Dooling is loved by Riley and both sides are hinting of a reunion after this season. Meaning for one thing Dooling would get the playing time he is after and a raise and be back home with friends and family everything that would make him happy.

lovehoops01 · Post #39 » by **lovehoops01** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:20 pm

cougar13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Sign and trade Dooling to Miami for Williams there is your other pg.
the team does not need three pgs that has been part of the problem getting them all playing time.
And then let Carlos go.
See about picking up Duhon he is dependable and is your typical pg not a shooting pg like Nelson. Though when he was getting minutes with the Bulls he was putting up so nice points.
Right now the Bulls are falling apart at the seams and because the East is so bad actually fighting for a playoff spot.

The Magic have had to have three point guards because both Nelson and Dooling miss games with foot problems pretty much every season. The third guy has to be someone who doesn't need to play that much but is dependable. The problem the Magic have is all three point guards want significant playing time. (That is a good problem because it keeps them hungry but also causes them to get frustrated when they don't get it.)

If you sign-and-traded for Jason Williams, you'd definitely have to have a third point guard. That guy's knees are in bad shape. Last season, he missed 21 games with injuries, and the year before that, he missed 23 games. Yes, he only has missed about 8 games this season, but that's because Riley doesn't care now if he's permanently damaged because he doesn't expect him back with the Heat next season. If you only have two point guards, are you going to make your starter play all 48 minutes every night while the other guy is out? And what if the starter gets in foul trouble?

Duhon's not bad, but he has back and knee issues, too, so you'd probably still have to have a third point guard.

lovehoops01 · Post #40 » by **lovehoops01** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:25 pm

cougar13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Dooling is loved by Riley and both sides are hinting of a reunion after this season. Meaning for one thing Dooling would get the playing time he is after and a raise and be back home with friends and family everything that would make him happy.

If Dooling is so loved by Riley, why didn't he re-sign him three years ago when he became a free agent? Dooling wanted to stay there then, too.

Cougar, I get the distinct impression that you are a Heat fan, you hope to dump Jason Williams and all the issues that come with him on the Magic (or maybe you're friends or something with him) or you hate Dooling or maybe some combination of the three.