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Post#21 » by lovehoops01 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:42 am

EasternMagic wrote:I think your wrong about lamar this is what the article says

"Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak has done a great job of turning into an L.A. favorite this season, but he still doesn't know what the team will do in regard to re-signing Lamar Odom this offseason, according to the Los Angeles Times."

and im not sure i understand why you take foster over murphy. I dont understand what you mean when you say is more of a duplicate talent set. We don't really need what Murphy offers. Murphy has been rebounding great lately and scoring too. Fosters numbers have been more weak than murphy's


I agree with him on Murphy. He is a good scorer -- but some nights he does absolutely nothing. He and Dunleavy seem to take turns scoring on that team along with Granger because, really, who else is going to score? And he makes a lot of boneheaded mistakes and always is getting some freak injury. There are things about Foster that I like a lot. You're right....he doesn't score much. But he's a clever player on defense and is a pest under the boards. It depends on if you think the Magic need a starter or a role player. I don't know if Foster is enough of a scoring threat to be a starter, especially if you don't already have a shooting guard that regularly scores as much as other teams' shooting guards. You don't want the starters to be playing 3-on-5 offensively. And if you're still going to have Battie on the roster, then are you telling Foyle to go away? How many role-playing power forwards can you have if you don't a legitimate power starter at the spot?
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Post#22 » by Cammo101 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:57 am

The perfect PF is someone who plays solid defense and rebounds the ball well. Someone who can play off the bench as a 6th man but get solid starter-esque minutes. Someone who can do all that and also knock down open jumpers. Someone like Udonis Haslem, Brad Miller, or Kevin Love.

Foster is too offensively inept to be that guy.
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Post#23 » by ctorres » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:18 am

What about Zach Randolph? A trade of Tony Battie, Brian Cook, and Keith Bogans for Zach Randolph actually works.
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Post#24 » by lovehoops01 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:23 am

ctorres wrote:What about Zach Randolph? A trade of Tony Battie, Brian Cook, and Keith Bogans for Zach Randolph actually works.


Randolph doesn't fit the criteria of playing defense. What the Magic don't need is a power player who just wants to score.
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Post#25 » by OrlandoMagic » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:41 am

I wonder if Stan has thought to put Hedo at PF and Shard at SF
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Post#26 » by ctorres » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:02 am

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Randolph doesn't fit the criteria of playing defense. What the Magic don't need is a power player who just wants to score.


Can't Stan just teach Randolph how to play better defense?
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Post#27 » by Devin 1L » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:14 am

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Can't Stan just teach Randolph how to play better defense?


Yeah, that's exactly how things work.

Heck, let's bring in Curry, too! With his offense repertoire and the defense that Stan would teach him, he'd be the best big in the league!
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Post#28 » by lovehoops01 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:26 am

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Can't Stan just teach Randolph how to play better defense?


Zach played college basketball for Tom Izzo. He played for Nate McMillan with the Portland Trail Blazers. I don't there is anything wrong with his knowledge of NBA defenses, but still he has the reputation as a poor defensive player. Therefore, you'd have to say the problem is he doesn't really have the desire to play NBA defense. He's been in the league for several seasons. I don't think Stan can change that anymore.
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Post#29 » by OrlandoMagic » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:33 am

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Yeah, that's exactly how things work.

Heck, let's bring in Curry, too! With his offense repertoire and the defense that Stan would teach him, he'd be the best big in the league!



Yeah I agree a Curry Zach combo would work. Theres always time for a 1st. :rofl:
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Post#30 » by drsd » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:11 am

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Has anyone heard anything definitve about Vazquez?


Nothing in the last month of news. Barcelona is in a playoff series against Macabi. In their @ loss, Vazquez had a poor game.


UCFknight84 wrote:Lamarcus Aldridge with Dwight would be nice


... and the Magic get even younger. But yeh the kid does probably pair up to Howard.
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Post#31 » by east/beastD-12 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:58 pm

Maybe we could get Tim duncan and have KG come off the bench to back him up.
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Post#32 » by Dwightmare » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:25 pm

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I think it is a little naive to think that there isn't some sort of bitterness or resentment from Emeka if not both of them. Going number one is a huge honor (that these guys worked hard to get to) and Emeka lost it to a highschooler. These are proud men, that has to hurt them to an extent.
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Post#33 » by ProfX » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:28 pm

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I think it is a little naive to think that there isn't some sort of bitterness or resentment from Emeka if not both of them. Going number one is a huge honor (that these guys worked hard to get to) and Emeka lost it to a highschooler. These are proud men, that has to hurt them to an extent.


perhaps, but they are both quality guys..I think they would enjoy being on the same team. Eneka has a solid jumper and can command a double team around the basket, but doesnt demand to score. Sean May would have been a good big to come off the bench, but I guess he wasn't available when we drafted Fran..... :banghead:
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Post#34 » by spinedoc » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:51 pm

Cammo101 wrote:The perfect PF is someone who plays solid defense and rebounds the ball well. Someone who can play off the bench as a 6th man but get solid starter-esque minutes. Someone who can do all that and also knock down open jumpers. Someone like Udonis Haslem, Brad Miller, or Kevin Love.

Foster is too offensively inept to be that guy.


Brad would be a great complement to Dwight. He's so versatile that he can mix it up inside as well as take his man away from the basket. He can also pass very well from the top of the key. Its a nice plus to have someone like that able to pass over top of guys into the low post. I'm starting to rethink the idea of trading Hedo and filler for Brad and Garcia. I think it would bring more balance to the team actually.
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Post#35 » by euromagic » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:00 pm

as long as we're dreaming
I'd love to have Mehmet Okur at C, and move dwight to PF (the turkish connection between Okur and Hedo would help as well)

But alas...... will never happen
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Post#36 » by TooNice00 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:05 pm

ah i think once battie comes back our Poweforward spot will be fine. Battie will help our rebounding tremendously. He boxes out his man unlike everyone else on our team. With battie playing 24mpg last year we had the 5th best rebounding differential in the nba. Instead of cook or garrity subbing in for rashard and hedos routine breaks we will have battie who provides good fundamental defense and rebounding. Battie is no great offensive player but i swear all those times we give foyle the ball wide open or in the post battie would actually make a few of them unlike foyle. Battie isn't the answer long term but what PF has duncan played with all his career. Just fill in the spot every year with new verteran big men or take a few chances in the draft. No need to go searching for some great powerforward compliment with howard.
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Post#37 » by ProfX » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:17 pm

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Brad would be a great complement to Dwight. He's so versatile that he can mix it up inside as well as take his man away from the basket. He can also pass very well from the top of the key. Its a nice plus to have someone like that able to pass over top of guys into the low post. I'm starting to rethink the idea of trading Hedo and filler for Brad and Garcia. I think it would bring more balance to the team actually.


Yea I like Brad too..but god his contract scares me if he goes down. Doesnt he have two years left at like 10 and 12 million...What I like about Brad is that he could actually start with Dwight and move Rashard to the SF.. I would consider trading Turk for Brad.. Brad is nice passer out of the post and I believe as you do the team would balance out better.

To be honest I would rather trade Rashard than Hedo..but I like running the two of them together. I had major reservations about it during the beginning of the year.. I feel we just need to upgrade at PG and SG
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Post#38 » by TooNice00 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:31 pm

trading hedo for brad, haslem, or any other medicore PF is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He makes 6 million a year and that probably makes him one of the most underpaid players in the entire league not under a rookie salary. Why trade a borderline or actual all star, who is on a great salary, averaging 20ppg for a AVERAGE PF of simlar age making 6-10 million? Makes no sense financially or basketball wise. Statiscally speaking brad miller and haslem would look worse along side howard. Neither of them will be close to pulling down double digit rebounding as they are now.
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Post#39 » by Happyfoosball » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:35 pm

I really like Battie in that spot. I really can't wait to see him play with this team.
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Post#40 » by theTHIEF » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:22 pm

the perfect PF next to Dwight IMO is one of 3 guys we'll never have, Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Bosh and Elton Brand.

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