Denton: D12, LEWIS UPSET ABOUT OFFENSIVE MELTDOWN IN LOSS

[Last Guardian]

Don't trade Hedo. Just move him to the bench. Let him do what he does where we need it most.

[Forest]

I say keep everything how it is. You don't start reconstructing a team and making personal moves that is 4-3 in the nba. We are not where we want to be but it has only been 7 games and we shouldn't be playing our best ball right now either. We are only 1 loss off from our first 7 games last year. Everything will be fine.

[SOUL]

Move the rim half a foot foward and Shard would of made all of his shots, EVERY ONE CLANKED OFF THE FRONT RIM!

[mhectorgato]

Move the rim half a foot foward and Shard would of made all of his shots, EVERY ONE CLANKED OFF THE FRONT RIM!

Isn't that a sign of being tired?

[Cammo101]

I ask if the Hedo criticizers actually saw the game because what they are saying is counter to what actually happened. When the PG's dominated the ball, in the 2nd quarter and the first half of the 4th quarter, is exactly when the offense bogged down.

When AJ and Jameer handle the ball a lot, our offense goes to crap. This is why I can not fathom why people want to keep Jameer and trade Hedo.

Hedo was the only player with a pulse last night. He was great while Jameer did nothing, yet somehow this thread turns into a pro Jameer, trade Hedo thread. I like Jameer as much as the next guy, but he is quickly getting as many blind supporters as JJ Redick. People who care much more about the player than the team.

[TheRevTy]

I just don't understand how people can praise Hedo, who they say is essentially our PG, yet complain because Dwight didn't see the ball in the 2nd half.

If Hedo is as indispensible as you say because only he can make the offense go, then he deserves the blame for Dwight not seeing the ball. If he doesn't deserve the blame, then you can't say his playmaking is valuable.

So which is it? Did Hedo screw up last night, or is his playmaking overrated?

[SOUL]

I have no idea, hopefully not since we're only 7 games in but its been like it for the last 2 games... 2/3's of the shots are hitting front. Id like to see him in the post the next game and work inside out until hes more comfortable

[Cammo101]

I just don't understand how people can praise Hedo, who they say is essentially our PG, yet complain because Dwight didn't see the ball in the 2nd half.

If Hedo is as indispensible as you say because only he can make the offense go, then he deserves the blame for Dwight not seeing the ball. If he doesn't deserve the blame, then you can't say his playmaking is valuable.

So which is it? Did Hedo screw up last night, or is his playmaking overrated?

Hedo is our PG based on necessity. He isn't Chris Paul, but he is a better distributor than Jameer. Dwight froze himself out of the 4th quarter by bricking free throws during Portland's run.

Hedo is consistently the only guy looking to get Dwight involved.

[TheRevTy]

I ask if the Hedo criticizers actually saw the game because what they are saying is counter to what actually happened. When the PG's dominated the ball, in the 2nd quarter and the first half of the 4th quarter, is exactly when the offense bogged down.

When AJ and Jameer handle the ball a lot, our offense goes to crap. This is why I can not fathom why people want to keep Jameer and trade Hedo.

Hedo was the only player with a pulse last night. He was great while Jameer did nothing, yet somehow this thread turns into a pro Jameer, trade Hedo thread. I like Jameer as much as the next guy, but he is quickly getting as many blind supporters as JJ Redick. People who care much more about the player than the team.

I respectfully disagree.

[Cammo101]

I ask if the Hedo criticizers actually saw the game because what they are saying is counter to what actually happened. When the PG's dominated the ball, in the 2nd quarter and the first half of the 4th quarter, is exactly when the offense bogged down.

When AJ and Jameer handle the ball a lot, our offense goes to crap. This is why I can not fathom why people want to keep Jameer and trade Hedo.

Hedo was the only player with a pulse last night. He was great while Jameer did nothing, yet somehow this thread turns into a pro Jameer, trade Hedo thread. I like Jameer as much as the next guy, but he is quickly getting as many blind supporters as JJ Redick. People who care much more about the player than the team.

I respectfully disagree.

I have always been a Jameer supporter. He is wearing out his welcome though, as he is with about 75% of this board.

I would like to see Hedo moving the ball around more, but considering only he and Dwight could find the rim last night, it is kind of hard to blame the guy for trying to carry us.

[TheRevTy]

I just don't understand how people can praise Hedo, who they say is essentially our PG, yet complain because Dwight didn't see the ball in the 2nd half.

If Hedo is as indispensible as you say because only he can make the offense go, then he deserves the blame for Dwight not seeing the ball. If he doesn't deserve the blame, then you can't say his playmaking is valuable.

So which is it? Did Hedo screw up last night, or is his playmaking overrated?

Hedo is our PG based on necessity. He isn't Chris Paul, but he is a better distributor than Jameer. Dwight froze himself out of the 4th quarter by bricking free throws during Portland's run.

Hedo is consistently the only guy looking to get Dwight involved.

So are you saying our team was justified in not getting it to Dwight because he wasn't hitting free throws?

Also, I would be interested to see assist duo stats, as in who gets the most assists from who. I'm going to go search.

[Cammo101]

I just don't understand how people can praise Hedo, who they say is essentially our PG, yet complain because Dwight didn't see the ball in the 2nd half.

If Hedo is as indispensible as you say because only he can make the offense go, then he deserves the blame for Dwight not seeing the ball. If he doesn't deserve the blame, then you can't say his playmaking is valuable.

So which is it? Did Hedo screw up last night, or is his playmaking overrated?

Hedo is our PG based on necessity. He isn't Chris Paul, but he is a better distributor than Jameer. Dwight froze himself out of the 4th quarter by bricking free throws during Portland's run.

Hedo is consistently the only guy looking to get Dwight involved.

So are you saying our team was justified in not getting it to Dwight because he wasn't hitting free throws?

Also, I would be interested to see assist duo stats, as in who gets the most assists from who. I'm going to go search.

That is exactly what I am saying. You can not keep feeding Dwight in the 4th quarter of close games when he is shooting 40% from the free throw line. Doing so in the early part of the fourth quarter was a big part of how we got down 10 points.

Obviously it depends on the game, but last night I thought it was justified at the time. As the game progressed and we kept sucking in the 4th, it got more and more risky to go back to him. If you are down 8 with 3 mins. left, going to a guy who may very well miss both free throws when fouled is just not a great option.

[mhectorgato]

That is exactly what I am saying. You can not keep feeding Dwight in the 4th quarter of close games when he is shooting 40% from the free throw line. Doing so in the early part of the fourth quarter was a big part of how we got down 10 points.

Obviously it depends on the game, but last night I thought it was justified at the time. As the game progressed and we kept sucking in the 4th, it got more and more risky to go back to him. If you are down 8 with 3 mins. left, going to a guy who may very well miss both free throws when fouled is just not a great option.

So you don't want Dwight to draw fouls and help to put the other team in the penalty?

I understand about the FTs, but it accomplishes more than just the points at the line.

BTW - he went 2 for 6 in the 4th quarter from the stripe.

[mhectorgato]

I just don't understand how people can praise Hedo, who they say is essentially our PG, yet complain because Dwight didn't see the ball in the 2nd half.

If Hedo is as indispensible as you say because only he can make the offense go, then he deserves the blame for Dwight not seeing the ball. If he doesn't deserve the blame, then you can't say his playmaking is valuable.

So which is it? Did Hedo screw up last night, or is his playmaking overrated?

from popcornmachine.net:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gamef ... ame=PORORL

Dwight scored 23 points in the 1st half. Then he scored only 6 in the 2nd half.
He attempted 8 FTs (hitting 4 of them) in the 2nd compared to his 12 (hitting 9) in the 1st half.

[magicfan4life05]

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.d ... rentPage=0

LEWIS UNHAPPY WITH HIS ROLE IN MAGIC OFFENSE




FLORIDA TODAY

ORLANDO _ Mired in an ugly five-of 22 shooting slump with 10 consecutive 3-point missed over the past two games, Rashard Lewis is noticeably unhappy with his role in the Orlando Magic’s offense.

Too often, he’s stuck in the position of being simply a 3-point shooter because the ball either goes in to Dwight Howard in the post or is in the hands of Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando’s best playmaker.

That was fine last season when Lewis routinely burned defenses by averaging 18.2 points and shot a dazzling 40.9 percent from 3-point range. But this season Lewis has become too much of a bystander and his 3-point shooting (26 percent) has been dismal.

``I feel like I just can’t get no rhythm. Maybe I need to be more aggressive early in the game because I just feel like I’m just launching 3-pointers all game,’’ he said after Monday’s three-of-11 outing (0-of-5 on 3-pointers) in the loss to Portland. ``There’s nothing with me going to the baskets. Maybe I could get more post-ups or something, I don’t know. It just feels difficult not being able to get in a rhythm.’’

I think this is where the problem of having both Hedo and Shard on the court at the same time is a problem. They play similar positions, score in similar ways...but Shard is paid like 2.5 more per year....this better get settled or otis will have to trade someone.....


this could get interesting.....

[mhectorgato]

Since this came up in the thread:

Hedo by quarter:
Qtr...Assists...TOs....Points
1......44.8%....23.5%....29.4%
2......6.9%.....11.7%....23.26%
3......27.5%....35.2%....15.5%
4......20.6%....29.4%....31.7%

[lapassione]

lets just buy him out of his contract and let him poison some other team (in the east) - surely this would be the best thing otis should do.
this way jameer will get to own all the assists and gets to make all the plays and shard can play his natural position at 3 and drop 40 points every night making up for hedos points. he is getting paid this much, which means we have to play him at his position.

yes, just waive him

[Rccanes2311]

This thread is funny. A guy puts up 35 and keeps us in the game and is slammed for this. You have a center you can't shoot free throws yet people say he needs to keep getting the ball but teams foul for a reason cause they know won't make them they'll just send more scrubs out to foul him just think of it as the Hack-a-Howard. Then people are standing behind a guy who did absolutly nothing to help this team win. You wanna complain fine, but please PLEASE go out and play some defense and actually go out and start abusing the guy guarding you rather than complaining after the after the game about your role in the offense and how the offense went cold even though you did nothing NOTHING to help the situation. This team is flawed and won't win a championship until some changes are made. Will we win the division sure will they make the playoffs of course. Will they ever win the NBA title with the team as it is now HELL NO.

[Rccanes2311]

lets just buy him out of his contract and let him poison some other team (in the east) - surely this would be the best thing otis should do.
this way jameer will get to own all the assists and gets to make all the plays and shard can play his natural position at 3 and drop 40 points every night making up for hedos points. he is getting paid this much, which means we have to play him at his position.

yes, just waive him

LMAO at Nelson being some kind of assist machine and Shard going out and scoring 40 every night like he's some kind of scoring machine.

[Bucs80]

You got to put the blame on everyone here.

Rashard being terrible

Hedo taking alot of shots....

PG play is off

And the bench being terrible.

I think the problem with players not getting enough shots. That's what happens when you have 4 shooters on the court along with a Superstar big-man who himself dosen't get the ball enough. There is not much ball to go around.

People asking to give Rashard Lewis the ball in the post. Face it, it's not happening with Dwight Howard in the post. He isn't in Seattle anymore.