The case for Jonathan Isaac

[Nemesis21]

If we go, Isaac, then we have to go PG with the 25th and wing with the second rounders. Something like;

6th: Jonathan Isaac
25th: Jawun Evans
33rd: Dillon Brooks

That would be a hell of a retool. Would address multiple areas we need help on.

Give me,

6: Tatum/Isaac
12: Z Collins (Fournier + for 12)
25: Evans

If we keep any of 2nd round picks, grab a SG like Hart, Bacon, Iwundu, Semi, Thronwell






If no trade for second lottery pick,

6: Tatum/Isaac
25: Evans
33: T Bradley
35: Thornwell/Hart/Iwundu/Semi

[PennytoShaq]

What is Isaac's speed compared to KD? That is what I am curious about. KD is so amazing, that you can not compare anyone to him. But watching him defend Lebron is also rather impressive. He just kills him with length and goes stride for stride, and this was in some lineups when lebron was at the 3 and Love and Thompson were 4 and 5.

[MasterGMer]

Many of you have already said so.

But how is Arron Gordon going to co-exist with Issac. Both of them are tweeners. Aaron is 4 and, is Issac going to be 4, too?

Some said Issac could play 5. Oh boy, that does not sound like a good idea to me.

How is he going to co-exist with Gordon?

Gordon on 3 and Issac on 4 on defense.

Gordon at 4 and Issac at 3 offensively? Is that the consensus here?

Did similar situation happen before?

[tiderulz]

If we go, Isaac, then we have to go PG with the 25th and wing with the second rounders. Something like;

6th: Jonathan Isaac
25th: Jawun Evans
33rd: Dillon Brooks

That would be a hell of a retool. Would address multiple areas we need help on.

Gimme Josh Hart over Brooks. Just as big but bigger wingspan.

[fendilim]

Many of you have already said so.

But how is Arron Gordon going to co-exist with Issac. Both of them are tweeners. Aaron is 4 and, is Issac going to be 4, too?

Some said Issac could play 5. Oh boy, that does not sound like a good idea to me.

How is he going to co-exist with Gordon?

Gordon on 3 and Issac on 4 on defense.

Gordon at 4 and Issac at 3 offensively? Is that the consensus here?

Did similar situation happen before?

happened with Tobias and Morris in Detroit. But we all know how that worked out.

I think AG will be moved if we go for Isaac.

[Skin]

Many of you have already said so.

But how is Arron Gordon going to co-exist with Issac. Both of them are tweeners. Aaron is 4 and, is Issac going to be 4, too?

Some said Issac could play 5. Oh boy, that does not sound like a good idea to me.

How is he going to co-exist with Gordon?

Gordon on 3 and Issac on 4 on defense.

Gordon at 4 and Issac at 3 offensively? Is that the consensus here?

Did similar situation happen before?

Several weeks ago, I made this thread in the Draft forum. I was curious what the consensus was of Isaac at C. Feel free to read and gather thoughts from fans from other teams rather than just the few here in favor of Isaac as a 5.

The voting went as follows:

Jonathan Isaac... as a Center?

Yes, the new modern 5 - 8 votes
Yes, but only part time - 25 votes
Maybe, only if he gets bigger - 15 votes
No, you crazy nut! - 19 votes

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1565621&start=40#start_here

71% of posters thought Center is or could be in the cards for Isaac.

Also, if the big hang up is Gordon alone, then you're not giving Gordon enough credit for his own versatility (and he's not done developing his offensive game yet either) and you're not seeing the value Isaac is with the entire team. A big who runs the floor will allow us to be a true fast paced team as Vogel has stated in his desires, and a big who spaces the floor will help clear the lane for others to attack inside, especially Gordon AND Payton who need to mask their shooting issues until they improve.

[MagicalPatience]

If Tatum and Jackson are gone (saw some reports saying they may fall), we should absolutely take Isaac. You wrote an excellent post explaining why. I think he could play alongside Gordon in the front court as a 3 with Gordon as the 4. He can actually shoot and handle the ball. I may be off but I look at him and just see KD-lite. If that's what he could be, then that's incredible.

A lineup of Payton (really want to see his improvement), Ross/Fournier (I want to move Evan so bad), Isaac, Gordon, and Vucevic could finally have some much needed scoring.

That being said, if we could move Fournier/Payton/Vucevic for an additional lottery pick, I wouldn't think twice. Drafting Tatum/Jackson/Isaac and then a guy like Smith Jr would have is set for the future.

[magicfan4life88]

I really dont get the infatuation with this kid, he only average 12 ppg, 80% of that was assisted so he cant create for himself, hes to thin to play 4 isnt gifted enough to play 3, hes long, hes essentially maurice harkless 2.0, on a better team that be a fit for us, but hes not bpa at 6 imo

[Skin]

I really dont get the infatuation with this kid, he only average 12 ppg, 80% of that was assisted so he cant create for himself, hes to thin to play 4 isnt gifted enough to play 3, hes long, hes essentially maurice harkless 2.0, on a better team that be a fit for us, but hes not bpa at 6 imo

He's a Moe Harkless that is 2 inches taller, with a 6 inch longer reach and scores more ppg, shoots a better 3PT%, rebounds and blocks way more, blocks more, steals more and averages more assists, plus has more position versatility, and rather than be the type that complains about playing time on veteran squad, he comes in and makes them better... to the tune of turning them around from a 14th finish in the ACC the year before to busting everyone's expectations and finishing 2nd in the ACC behind the National Champs... if that's what you mean, then yeah... ok... he's that kind of Moe Harkless.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Moe-Harkless-6526/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonathan-Isaac-90052/

[yoyojw17]

I really dont get the infatuation with this kid, he only average 12 ppg, 80% of that was assisted so he cant create for himself, hes to thin to play 4 isnt gifted enough to play 3, hes long, hes essentially maurice harkless 2.0, on a better team that be a fit for us, but hes not bpa at 6 imo

He's a Moe Harkless that is 2 inches taller, with a 6 inch longer reach and scores more ppg, shoots a better 3PT%, rebounds and blocks way more, blocks more, steals more and averages more assists, plus has more position versatility, and rather than be the type that complains about playing time on veteran squad, he comes in and makes them better... to the tune of turning them around from a 14th finish in the ACC the year before to busting everyone's expectations and finishing 2nd in the ACC behind the National Champs... if that's what you mean, then yeah... ok... he's that kind of Moe Harkless.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Moe-Harkless-6526/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonathan-Isaac-90052/

LOL....jk. couldn't resist.

[Nemesis21]

I really dont get the infatuation with this kid, he only average 12 ppg, 80% of that was assisted so he cant create for himself, hes to thin to play 4 isnt gifted enough to play 3, hes long, hes essentially maurice harkless 2.0, on a better team that be a fit for us, but hes not bpa at 6 imo

He's a Moe Harkless that is 2 inches taller, with a 6 inch longer reach and scores more ppg, shoots a better 3PT%, rebounds and blocks way more, blocks more, steals more and averages more assists, plus has more position versatility, and rather than be the type that complains about playing time on veteran squad, he comes in and makes them better... to the tune of turning them around from a 14th finish in the ACC the year before to busting everyone's expectations and finishing 2nd in the ACC behind the National Champs... if that's what you mean, then yeah... ok... he's that kind of Moe Harkless.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Moe-Harkless-6526/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonathan-Isaac-90052/

I'm with you on Isaac, believe me, but please don't put Moe Harkless and Jonathan Isaac in the same sentence lol. Say Rashard Lewis with defense instead.

[magicfan4life88]

I really dont get the infatuation with this kid, he only average 12 ppg, 80% of that was assisted so he cant create for himself, hes to thin to play 4 isnt gifted enough to play 3, hes long, hes essentially maurice harkless 2.0, on a better team that be a fit for us, but hes not bpa at 6 imo

He's a Moe Harkless that is 2 inches taller, with a 6 inch longer reach and scores more ppg, shoots a better 3PT%, rebounds and blocks way more, blocks more, steals more and averages more assists, plus has more position versatility, and rather than be the type that complains about playing time on veteran squad, he comes in and makes them better... to the tune of turning them around from a 14th finish in the ACC the year before to busting everyone's expectations and finishing 2nd in the ACC behind the National Champs... if that's what you mean, then yeah... ok... he's that kind of Moe Harkless.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Moe-Harkless-6526/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonathan-Isaac-90052/

notice how I said Harkless 2.0, usually that means its an upgraded one from the original, maybe you didnt know thats what it meant, its ok, ok so he shoots .8 better from 3 then harkless, .1 more blocks .2 more assists sign me up captain and more position verstility? They both "can play" the 3 and the 4 so tell me wheres that more coming from? , im sure the teams success had nothing to do with that bacon feller

[magicfan4life88]

Lets say i buy in on Isaac, but at 6? Really, would you draft a taller Josh Childress at 6 in this draft? A longer lankier Tony Allen gets drafted at 6 in this draft? He shows no signs of having Elite level offense, doesnt create for himself, his 3ball isnt great, everyone complains about Josh Jacksons 3 ball but he finished the season with a better 3ball percentage then Isaac but they praise Isaac for his shooting

[Skin]

Lets say i buy in on Isaac, but at 6? Really, would you draft a taller Josh Childress at 6 in this draft? A longer lankier Tony Allen gets drafted at 6 in this draft? He shows no signs of having Elite level offense, doesnt create for himself, his 3ball isnt great, everyone complains about Josh Jacksons 3 ball but he finished the season with a better 3ball percentage then Isaac but they praise Isaac for his shooting

You don't have to buy in. You could be right and he could be a bust.

Didn't intend to convert the world to the Gospel of Isaac. Just wanted to make a case for him and it looks like you didn't read any of it.

[MasterGMer]

Versatile is a good thing. But speaking of a positioning, being a tweener like Issac may not be a good one imo

Magic needs a wing more than a big man. Plus what about Gordon?

However, I'd love to draft Denise Smith or Issac, even both of them. But I do not think it is realistic.

Sorry for being new here and lazy to read all the slides.



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[Skin]

Versatile is a good thing. But speaking of a positioning, being a tweener like Issac may not be a good one imo

Magic needs a wing more than a big man. Plus what about Gordon?

However, I'd love to draft Denise Smith or Issac, even both of them. But I do not think it is realistic.

Sorry for being new here and lazy to read all the slides.



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As I watch these Finals versatility is killin' the Cavs and the Cavs cannot counter.

Klay on Kyrie, Iggy on Lebron, KD on Love... Kyrie on Steph, Lebron on KD, Love on Draymond... Cavs have to work hard on O and D. Steph gets to guard JR and save his energy for offense, Draymond stretches Tristan away from the basket and KD slashes through open lanes.

It's nice that the Cavs have a position for each player, but the Warriors are putting on a clinic on how basketball will be played in the present and the future.

The more match up advantages we can create or counter, the better it will be for us. ...and that includes Isaac at Center. Isaac as a 5 cannot be glossed over. It's one of his main attractions.

[locomagicfan]

Why is nobody saying Kevin Garnett-lite?

Look at youtube videos of Garnett in his rookie year. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Isaac because he seems like the riskiest pic of the perceived "Top-10" and you just dont know what you'll end up with from him. But boy after watching those old KG vids, if Isaac adds even a little bit of muscle, forget it.. Future perrenial All Star.

[magicfan4life88]

Lets say i buy in on Isaac, but at 6? Really, would you draft a taller Josh Childress at 6 in this draft? A longer lankier Tony Allen gets drafted at 6 in this draft? He shows no signs of having Elite level offense, doesnt create for himself, his 3ball isnt great, everyone complains about Josh Jacksons 3 ball but he finished the season with a better 3ball percentage then Isaac but they praise Isaac for his shooting

You don't have to buy in. You could be right and he could be a bust.

Didn't intend to convert the world to the Gospel of Isaac. Just wanted to make a case for him and it looks like you didn't read any of it.

Oh I read all of it and responded, he barely averaged more then him and most categories except pts and rebounds and again if hes so great why did he only average 12ppg, 80% was assisted, if he could create for himself, which is the type of player we need, then that stat would be different

[Derento]

Lets say i buy in on Isaac, but at 6? Really, would you draft a taller Josh Childress at 6 in this draft? A longer lankier Tony Allen gets drafted at 6 in this draft? He shows no signs of having Elite level offense, doesnt create for himself, his 3ball isnt great, everyone complains about Josh Jacksons 3 ball but he finished the season with a better 3ball percentage then Isaac but they praise Isaac for his shooting

You don't have to buy in. You could be right and he could be a bust.

Didn't intend to convert the world to the Gospel of Isaac. Just wanted to make a case for him and it looks like you didn't read any of it.

Oh I read all of it and responded, he barely averaged more then him and most categories except pts and rebounds and again if hes so great why did he only average 12ppg, 80% was assisted, if he could create for himself, which is the type of player we need, then that stat would be different

Where are people getting this 80% percent number lol.
He was assisted on 84% of his threes.
48.6% of his at rim shots.
36% of his midrange 2s.

[Derento]

https://hoop-math.com/FloridaSt.2017.php