
Contradictory homerific delusion at its finest.
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MagicMatic wrote:Vuc is a top 10-15 player in the league, but teams don’t have room for him / need him and he won’t be paid like one because reasons...![]()
Contradictory homerific delusion at its finest.
Bensational wrote:So, you're quite clearly asserting that he's a top 10 player, based off the rankings of those stats and a popularity vote.
Bensational wrote:Yet, now you're adamant that there won't be a high demand for one of the league's top 10 players. Are you admitting that despite the facts you originally listed as proof of Vuc being a top 10 player, that he may not actually be regarded as a top 10 player?
Bensational wrote:That's my point. If he's as good as you have been portraying him, he will be valued as such. And that will result in a large offer from someone, surely. So you've either misrepresented how good he is, or you're undervaluing the guy you've gone to efforts to big up. Which is it?
Bensational wrote:The T&T board doesn't value him at $20-24M. 11 people voted $15-17M. 14 voted $17-19. 25 voted $20-22M. 11 voted $22-24M. That's not top 10 money they're talking about there.
Bensational wrote:So, if we can agree that Vuc isn't likely to be considered or treated like a top 10 player, because he's not, then we discuss money. What's the fair offer we're prepared to make? Who knows. Likely in that $20-22M range. Then it becomes a matter of how might he be offered more. Simply, by a team with more to offer who has failed to land a better player. Presuming that rosters won't change and teams couldn't find themselves in a position where they need a C, and have the money to offer Vuc a spot is a very limited projection.
Bensational wrote:Even if teams don't have the apparent required context for Vuc, I think we all know GMs can make some panic offers when they're presented with the opportunity to add talent, even if it doesn't fit all that well.
Bensational wrote:Vuc is certainly good enough to make some teams consider it. He may not be top 10, but he's certainly somewhere in the top 50.
But if we find ourselves in a position where no other team values him that highly, then we really should be considering whether or not we should value him that highly and sink our limited capital into that asset.
MagicMatic wrote:Vuc is a top 10-15 player in the league, but teams don’t have room for him / need him and he won’t be paid like one because reasons...![]()
Contradictory homerific delusion at its finest.
ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Vuc is a top 10-15 player in the league, but teams don’t have room for him / need him and he won’t be paid like one because reasons...![]()
Contradictory homerific delusion at its finest.
Uh NO. You are the one that's been crying about how he's going to get crazy offers from tank teams. Don't make me embarrass you again by pulling up your sadly uninformed quotes.
I on the other hand have been saying that his market isn't that and have been adamant about that all along.
ezzzp wrote:Bensational wrote:Bensational wrote:That's my point. If he's as good as you have been portraying him, he will be valued as such. And that will result in a large offer from someone, surely. So you've either misrepresented how good he is, or you're undervaluing the guy you've gone to efforts to big up. Which is it?
Uh NO. Its this thing called supply and demand. If you want to ignore that there just aren't that many teams with cap space and actual need for a starting C, that's on you. Feel free to concoct your fantasy scenarios to alter that market reality. I'm sure MagicMatic and Skin will and1 you![]()
MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Vuc is a top 10-15 player in the league, but teams don’t have room for him / need him and he won’t be paid like one because reasons...![]()
Contradictory homerific delusion at its finest.
Uh NO. You are the one that's been crying about how he's going to get crazy offers from tank teams. Don't make me embarrass you again by pulling up your sadly uninformed quotes.
I on the other hand have been saying that his market isn't that and have been adamant about that all along.
Lol ok tough internet warrior.
Vuc isn’t a top 15 player. Deal with it.
The center market isn’t good, but that won’t stop teams from taking a shot at him regardless. All it takes is one bad decision from another organization to determine his “value”. A lot can happen. Also, Orlando isn’t going to offer him some deal he’s going to scoff at after being the first “allstar” for the franchise In forever regardless of his merit. They have a number and won’t go over that number as they’ve stated in GM speak.
So which is it? He’s a top 15 player to you but absolutely won’t get paid like one? Sure.
MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:Bensational wrote:
Uh NO. Its this thing called supply and demand. If you want to ignore that there just aren't that many teams with cap space and actual need for a starting C, that's on you. Feel free to concoct your fantasy scenarios to alter that market reality. I'm sure MagicMatic and Skin will and1 you![]()
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ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:
Uh NO. You are the one that's been crying about how he's going to get crazy offers from tank teams. Don't make me embarrass you again by pulling up your sadly uninformed quotes.
I on the other hand have been saying that his market isn't that and have been adamant about that all along.
Lol ok tough internet warrior.
Vuc isn’t a top 15 player. Deal with it.
The center market isn’t good, but that won’t stop teams from taking a shot at him regardless. All it takes is one bad decision from another organization to determine his “value”. A lot can happen. Also, Orlando isn’t going to offer him some deal he’s going to scoff at after being the first “allstar” for the franchise In forever regardless of his merit. They have a number and won’t go over that number as they’ve stated in GM speak.
So which is it? He’s a top 15 player to you but absolutely won’t get paid like one? Sure.
Uh I NEVER said he was, I said he was top 10 by most every adv stat in 18-19 - and he was.
Maybe you use only a 1 year sample to establish who is a top 15 player in NBA, but most people with basic level nba knowledge use multiple seasons to establish that. Deal with that.![]()
and LMAO...extreme "what if" scenarios are how you are supporting your hot takes about how Vucevic is going to get overpaid.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Lol ok tough internet warrior.
Vuc isn’t a top 15 player. Deal with it.
The center market isn’t good, but that won’t stop teams from taking a shot at him regardless. All it takes is one bad decision from another organization to determine his “value”. A lot can happen. Also, Orlando isn’t going to offer him some deal he’s going to scoff at after being the first “allstar” for the franchise In forever regardless of his merit. They have a number and won’t go over that number as they’ve stated in GM speak.
So which is it? He’s a top 15 player to you but absolutely won’t get paid like one? Sure.
Uh I NEVER said he was, I said he was top 10 by most every adv stat in 18-19 - and he was.
Maybe you use only a 1 year sample to establish who is a top 15 player in NBA, but most people with basic level nba knowledge use multiple seasons to establish that. Deal with that.![]()
and LMAO...extreme "what if" scenarios are how you are supporting your hot takes about how Vucevic is going to get overpaid.
there are more wtf contracts that get offered based off 1 good year or even 1 playoff series, I don't think it's that far fetched to think a team could throw big money at Vuc. Heck we have 3 of em on our team the last 2 years. Biz, Moz and Fournier
ezzzp wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:ezzzp wrote:
Uh I NEVER said he was, I said he was top 10 by most every adv stat in 18-19 - and he was.
Maybe you use only a 1 year sample to establish who is a top 15 player in NBA, but most people with basic level nba knowledge use multiple seasons to establish that. Deal with that.![]()
and LMAO...extreme "what if" scenarios are how you are supporting your hot takes about how Vucevic is going to get overpaid.
there are more wtf contracts that get offered based off 1 good year or even 1 playoff series, I don't think it's that far fetched to think a team could throw big money at Vuc. Heck we have 3 of em on our team the last 2 years. Biz, Moz and Fournier
You do realize that those contracts came on a year when the salary cap jumped giving nearly the entire league max cap room + 1/3 with more than 2 max salary spots. The Magic had 3 max slots that summer. That salary cap jump was first time in NBA history that has ever happened, and its not what's happening with the cap this summer.
FYI, Fournier was asset retention AND his contract is 16% of cap which is what the average starter salary is in the NBA...and since its flat and the cap increases some every year, its actually decreasing % as he gets closer to his peak prime production. If you want a stud wing, you have to pay for it...guys like Beal, McCollum etc are 25-30% of cap.
MagicMatic wrote:.
ezzzp wrote:.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
And this summer a couple teams have 2 Max slots and a good amount of other teams have 1.5 Max slots.
Point being teams that miss on option 1-2 might throw big money to land 3 regardless of “value”
Xatticus wrote:I think I would wait the market out and explore alternatives. There is just going to be far more talent than money out there and there isn't any point in paying $20M+ per year when nobody else is going to be willing to. This is going to be a buyer's market and I'm sure our front office would love to explore some options this summer. The available cap space is going to dry up very quickly if some of the big names (Durant, Leonard, Walker, Butler, Irving, etc...) change teams. If someone like Thompson, Harris, or Russell changes teams, the market will tighten up very quickly.
I would tell Vucevic to explore free agency and keep us apprised. If Sacramento or Atlanta (or whoever) is willing to pay him in excess of $20M per year, then you give him a pat on the back and move on. Sacramento isn't going to match an offer sheet on WCS if they sign Vucevic. Toronto let the market for Lowry play out in 2014/15 and ended up re-signing him for three years at $12M per year because of the lack of interest around the league.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Lol ok tough internet warrior.
Vuc isn’t a top 15 player. Deal with it.
The center market isn’t good, but that won’t stop teams from taking a shot at him regardless. All it takes is one bad decision from another organization to determine his “value”. A lot can happen. Also, Orlando isn’t going to offer him some deal he’s going to scoff at after being the first “allstar” for the franchise In forever regardless of his merit. They have a number and won’t go over that number as they’ve stated in GM speak.
So which is it? He’s a top 15 player to you but absolutely won’t get paid like one? Sure.
Uh I NEVER said he was, I said he was top 10 by most every adv stat in 18-19 - and he was.
Maybe you use only a 1 year sample to establish who is a top 15 player in NBA, but most people with basic level nba knowledge use multiple seasons to establish that. Deal with that.![]()
and LMAO...extreme "what if" scenarios are how you are supporting your hot takes about how Vucevic is going to get overpaid.
there are more wtf contracts that get offered based off 1 good year or even 1 playoff series, I don't think it's that far fetched to think a team could throw big money at Vuc. Heck we have 3 of em on our team the last 2 years. Biz, Moz and Fournier
BadMofoPimp wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:ezzzp wrote:
Uh I NEVER said he was, I said he was top 10 by most every adv stat in 18-19 - and he was.
Maybe you use only a 1 year sample to establish who is a top 15 player in NBA, but most people with basic level nba knowledge use multiple seasons to establish that. Deal with that.![]()
and LMAO...extreme "what if" scenarios are how you are supporting your hot takes about how Vucevic is going to get overpaid.
there are more wtf contracts that get offered based off 1 good year or even 1 playoff series, I don't think it's that far fetched to think a team could throw big money at Vuc. Heck we have 3 of em on our team the last 2 years. Biz, Moz and Fournier
Vucevic has been solid for 3-5 years, but has really worked hard to improve his game to the point of being an All-Star while being the most consistent player on the team. Thus, this isn't some one time fluke like Moz or Biz as Vucevic can contribute and make a difference on many teams.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
there are more wtf contracts that get offered based off 1 good year or even 1 playoff series, I don't think it's that far fetched to think a team could throw big money at Vuc. Heck we have 3 of em on our team the last 2 years. Biz, Moz and Fournier
Vucevic has been solid for 3-5 years, but has really worked hard to improve his game to the point of being an All-Star while being the most consistent player on the team. Thus, this isn't some one time fluke like Moz or Biz as Vucevic can contribute and make a difference on many teams.
Which is why I said if teams throw WTF contracts out for 1 season or 1 series wonder a team could do it for Vuc.