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Post#201 » by drsd » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:01 am

Kent wrote:Something all of us need to remind ourselves about is a word known as "timing."

We can debate when the best time was to make those moves but the way we did yesterday makes me appreciate the timing.

Let's face it: we are approaching a special draft and we will have options.

If nothing else, we can revel in having hope and a higher ceiling — now and in the years ahead.


Weltman's whole interview was that the timing of these moves created flexibility moving forward.

For me, Basically he was stating that if the fans would have let him, these are the moves he would have made in year one.
But he is proud that the team did make the playoffs twice for the young player.
But when I hear that, he is really only talking to Jonathan Isaac. And maybe Markelle Futz. No other existing Magician will have "profited" from those two playoff experiences.
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Post#202 » by Xatticus » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:02 am

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fendilim wrote:I think its more of the owner wanting to pay lux tax if we can really be contenders.

lux tax then pretenders isnt gonna cut it.


Ok fair enough, but you have the CEO Martins and the President of Basketball Ops Weltman both within 10 days of each other suggesting publicly that they thought this team was good enough to compete for homecourt in the first round and that they were just killed by injuries.

If they really believed that is true, then why wouldn't they keep the team together give it another shot next year when everyone is healthy + a top 5 pick who might be able to come in right away and make a positive impact?

If the luxury tax was the primary concern, there would have been ways to get under via trades.

But for argument's sake, let's say avoiding the luxury tax was a no questions asked mandate from ownership.

They couldn't have predicted all these injuries.

So Weltman is telling us that the master plan was for the Magic to win as much as possible this year, but then they were willingly going to chose to be worse in 2021-2022 because of financial reasons.

That is indefensible, right?


Who would have been REALLY better than us if healthy?
MIL, PHI and BRK, Those for sure. Who has shown to be that much better than us with Vuc, Evan, AG and Fultz?


Anyone with a .500 record?
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Post#203 » by fendilim » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:02 am

The Athletic did an interview with Weltman and here’s a gem about Mo

“That being said, I think Mo’s general awareness of what it takes to be a successful NBA player has improved by leaps and bounds since he’s gotten here. His preparation time, his understanding of the kind of work that’s necessary and what matters on winning teams have grown greatly.”
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Post#204 » by drsd » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:05 am

Knightro wrote:Sadly, I'm not convinced that Bamba is going to be taking on a significantly larger role.


The Friday game proved this point. When Carter comes in, Bamba is clear a 3rd stringer.

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Post#205 » by drsd » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:09 am

fendilim wrote:The Athletic did an interview with Weltman and here’s a gem about Mo

“That being said, I think Mo’s general awareness of what it takes to be a successful NBA player has improved by leaps and bounds since he’s gotten here. His preparation time, his understanding of the kind of work that’s necessary and what matters on winning teams have grown greatly.”


Now if Bamba can convert "knowledge" into "action", he might get some playing time in 2021/22.

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Post#206 » by RookieStar » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:15 am

drsd wrote:
Knightro wrote:Sadly, I'm not convinced that Bamba is going to be taking on a significantly larger role.


The Friday game proved this point. When Carter comes in, Bamba is clear a 3rd stringer.

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Let them fight it out who will be the starting C. Khem can play the 4 while Chuma can try to be the 3 and see if it is effective.

I mean why hand the keys to WCJ right away? What has he done to deserve the starting 5 spot right away?
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Post#207 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:15 am

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Skin wrote:Wow... Minnesota beat Houston. 1 game difference between the 2 and they play again on Monday. We did not gain ground to 3rd worse with today's loss.


Houston is going to finish with the worst record by a mile.

They may only win 1-2 more the entire year. I expect Minnesota is going to easily pass them.
Hopefully Olynyk can help them.

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Post#208 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:16 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Wendell with a nice tweet to Bulls fans. He's a pretty bright guy and I think I remember him having an Ivy league scholarship.


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basketballRob wrote:At the end of the day he may end up being a better center than Bamba, but I'd like to see them battle out this year and next.

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You can’t make this stuff up...
Bamba has waited years for a bigger opportunity, might as well give him a chance.

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Post#209 » by Xatticus » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:39 am

basketballRob wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Wendell with a nice tweet to Bulls fans. He's a pretty bright guy and I think I remember him having an Ivy league scholarship.


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Read on Twitter
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basketballRob wrote:At the end of the day he may end up being a better center than Bamba, but I'd like to see them battle out this year and next.

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You can’t make this stuff up...
Bamba has waited years for a bigger opportunity, might as well give him a chance.

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WCJ is the better player at present. Bamba still has more upside. I would split the minutes between them and bring in a third center that isn't a threat to displace either of them. Now that we have purged the roster of the lion's share of the stat-grabbers, we are going to have players that will fill that vacuum. If you give WCJ 30 mintues a night, he will probably pile up stats and command a sizable contract a year and a half from now. We have to be cautious about the next deals that we hand out to guys like WCJ and Bamba. Their next contracts are still going to be developmental contracts. There shouldn't be any reason that we can't afford both. Neither has played even 1300 minutes in a season. I certainly wouldn't feel obligated to choose between them at this time.
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Post#210 » by RookieStar » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:47 am

well if WCJ really wants to be a PF then start them both. If WCJ gets embarassed by the PFs of the league then that will make him realize that he needs to lose weight and be mobile or embrace the C position.
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Post#211 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:01 am

I already posted my outlook on Wendell but there is interesting post of Donovan about him, just 20 days ago

"Head coach Billy Donovan chimed in on the Carter Jr. conversation last night, and he sounds just as perplexed as anyone when it comes to determining Carter Jr.’s future.

“Wendell is probably an undersized center. I do think with the way the game has kind of drifted to in the frontcourt, that’s why I thought one of the things that was important for his development is to shoot some 3’s. Is to kind of be a little bit of a playmaker and kind of facilitate our offense a little bit because that then puts him in a position that he can slide into the 4. But if he is just going to be a straight roller and diver, it’s probably really hard for him to play the 4. So, that’s an area he has to get better at. But, yeah, I mean, if you had the luxury to slide him between the 4 and 5 that would be great. But certainly, on some nights it can be challenging for him.”"
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Post#212 » by MoMM » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:37 pm

drsd wrote:
fendilim wrote:The Athletic did an interview with Weltman and here’s a gem about Mo

“That being said, I think Mo’s general awareness of what it takes to be a successful NBA player has improved by leaps and bounds since he’s gotten here. His preparation time, his understanding of the kind of work that’s necessary and what matters on winning teams have grown greatly.”


Now if Bamba can convert "knowledge" into "action", he might get some playing time in 2021/22.

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Post#213 » by MoMM » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:38 pm

Knightro wrote:
MoMM wrote:Considering our lack of PFs this season, I think that WCJ will play some time at 4, at least some backup minutes I'd say.

C: WCJ / Bamba / Birch
PF: Okeke / WCJ / Birch
SF: Porter / Ennis
SG: Ross / Harris
PG: Cole / MCW / Hampton


You're kidding yourself if you really think Clifford isn't going to play Birch :lol:

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Post#214 » by MoMM » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:41 pm

basketballRob wrote:Wendell with a nice tweet to Bulls fans. He's a pretty bright guy and I think I remember him having an Ivy league scholarship.


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He earned a 3.8 GPA in high school and won his school's Lance and Shield Award as a top scholar-athlete.
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Post#215 » by drsd » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:37 pm

Xatticus wrote:WCJ is the better player at present. Bamba still has more upside. I would split the minutes between them and bring in a third center that isn't a threat to displace either of them.


Agreed.

If Carter is not shifted to PF, then I guess early 2021/22, Bamba is the primary backup. Asd for the 3rd-stringer, the high SRP is an excellent place to get that player. The cost will be about 0.9M in year one, and thus it is the very cheapest way for Orlando to fill any roster slot. Either Drew Timme or Kofi Cockburn fits this role.


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Post#216 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:45 pm

Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans


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Post#217 » by fendilim » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:52 pm

basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans


https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Carter at PF? He seems slow to guard small ball 4s.
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Post#218 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:55 pm

fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans


https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Carter at PF? He seems slow to guard small ball 4s.
He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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Post#219 » by Magicfanatic82 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:57 pm

basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans


https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Chicago had a pretty soft pf next to him. We have okeke birch and next year Isaac. Position wont matter so much as being able to switch/help and work as a group. Isaac will create havoc for carter/bamba/chuma and the others to feed off of.
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Post#220 » by fendilim » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:59 pm

basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans


https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Carter at PF? He seems slow to guard small ball 4s.
He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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