Coaching Search: 7/8 Update - Magic to hire Jamahl Mosley per Woj

[The Effect]

id love for us to get Carlisle, but i cant see a reason why he would pick orlando over some of the other openings. I mean Portland has dame. NO has zion on a rookie deal. Pacers are built top win right now. The celtics has probably the best opening with Tatum and brown

What do we have that would entice a top level coach to pick us over them? A bunch of young players hopefully 2 very high draft picks? Not terrible, but not better than say getting to coach Tatum, dame or zion

Also, just sucks that dallas could easily take any coach we would want because whos turning down a chance to tie their career to young luka besides Carlisle?

[BadMofoPimp]

Magic just may be the least desirable opening for coaches. I am thinking they shoulda held onto Clifford one more year.

Orlando Magic’s coach opening getting pushed to the bottom

The Orlando Magic’s head coaching job became a bit less attractive to the top candidates thanks to two more jobs opening up. Their rebuilding situation may well limit who the Magic interest.

The more veteran and higher profile coaches are likely looking for that more than a chance to rebuild.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2021/06/16/orlando-magics-coach-opening-getting-pushed-bottom/

[tiderulz]

Magic just may be the least desirable opening for coaches. I am thinking they shoulda held onto Clifford one more year.

Orlando Magic’s coach opening getting pushed to the bottom

The Orlando Magic’s head coaching job became a bit less attractive to the top candidates thanks to two more jobs opening up. Their rebuilding situation may well limit who the Magic interest.

The more veteran and higher profile coaches are likely looking for that more than a chance to rebuild.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2021/06/16/orlando-magics-coach-opening-getting-pushed-bottom/

we will have to see how the lottery shakes out. Orlando with #1 and #8 pick looks a lot more attractive. especially with the bar set low here

[Nyce_1]

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The Athletic has learned through league sources that the Magic have asked permission to interview Phoenix Suns assistant coach Willie Green, Milwaukee Bucks assistant coach Charles Lee and Brooklyn Nets assistant coach Ime Udoka.

Reading around, it seems Pelicans wanted to hire Charles Lee last year before David Giffin was talked into going with a more experienced coach, in SVG. I suspect Lee is their top option this summer.

[The Effect]

Magic just may be the least desirable opening for coaches. I am thinking they shoulda held onto Clifford one more year.

Orlando Magic’s coach opening getting pushed to the bottom

The Orlando Magic’s head coaching job became a bit less attractive to the top candidates thanks to two more jobs opening up. Their rebuilding situation may well limit who the Magic interest.

The more veteran and higher profile coaches are likely looking for that more than a chance to rebuild.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2021/06/16/orlando-magics-coach-opening-getting-pushed-bottom/

Why does everyone talk about cliff like he was fired
Its pretty obvious he CHOSE to walk away as he didnt wnat to be the coach of a rebuilding team

[Knightro]

Confirmed Assistant Coach Interview Requests
-Jason Kidd
-Becky Hammon
-Wes Unseld Jr.
-Willie Green
-Charles Lee
-Ime Udoka

[pepe1991]

Heaven help the woman who signs up for a life of negative Pepe-Mansplaining …

i'm curious.....are you ever optimistic about anything? you're so pessimistic i sometimes wonder if you're actually a fan of this team

+10.000

For start, i'm not "negative " person at all. Especially in real life.
For second, team hasn't been good for last 10 years. Period.
People called me negative when i was b***ing about Biyombo sign and Ibaka trade. People called me negative when i said Harris will end up being better than Gordon.

Being "negative" here is just perspective.

As for Magic coaching job vs other at least 6 aveliable coaching jobs, Magic are near bottom when it comes to being attractive place to coach, compared to others.

For start, we don't have anybody worth talking about today as "core" player. In this moment team's best player was good enough to be 4th option on .500 team. And our "core" has 2 complete busts in Fultz and Bamba. One is fringe starter, other is fringe nba player.

Magic , failing to sign any bigger name FA since Rashard Lewis in last 11 years pretty much says that team isn't attractive to FA. Especially when guys like Lebron make smirk comments that nobody will "go there for sure". This supports fact that we couldn't get guys like Paul Millsap, who weren't even that good players to being with and having yet to be drafted Porzingis electing to stay in Europe for additional year to not be drafted by Orlando during 2014 draft.
We can all pin it on Hennigan, but it would be missleading.


Overall, all those things aside, fact stands, our biggest bargning chip for new coach is potential to coach top 3 draft pick. But that isn't guaranteed as we still have bigger odds draft 6th than any other spot.
It's no secret that coaching Pelicans, Dallas or potentially Bucks is all way more exiting for some well established coaching name than coaching Orlando Magic.

This Magic Mop feels like Skin's troll account. Guy has 85 posts, mentioned me in 45 of them.

HOWEVER, as i mentioned in first comment, Magic coaching candidates from 2016- didn't coach anybody in nba yet. So regardless are you taking on Sacramento Kings or Los Angeles Lakers, coaching job in nba will alway be attractive to coaches, because it's best basketball league in the world, it's well payed and almost all coaches, once they get fired, hang around as assistents. That doesn't change fact that top coaches will rather choose better situations to take on. There is no person in the world who would choose Orlando over Dallas to coach. At least nobody with any sense of logic and in right mind.

[Xatticus]

Magic just may be the least desirable opening for coaches. I am thinking they shoulda held onto Clifford one more year.

Orlando Magic’s coach opening getting pushed to the bottom

The Orlando Magic’s head coaching job became a bit less attractive to the top candidates thanks to two more jobs opening up. Their rebuilding situation may well limit who the Magic interest.

The more veteran and higher profile coaches are likely looking for that more than a chance to rebuild.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2021/06/16/orlando-magics-coach-opening-getting-pushed-bottom/

Why does everyone talk about cliff like he was fired
Its pretty obvious he CHOSE to walk away as he didnt wnat to be the coach of a rebuilding team

I don't think he was technically fired, but I do think he was urged to reevaluate whether or not he wanted to come back.

Weltman stated in his press conference that they had conversations and Clifford was told to go think on it, so I think they planted the seed and waited for it to take root. I think there probably was some discord over the course of the season. I think Clifford probably did object to the deadline transactions. I think Clifford probably was annoyed when they released Birch. I think the front office probably did it to force him to play the young guys.

I think the front office was ready for him to move on, but that they didn't really want to have to fire him, so they afforded him the opportunity to make it mutual. Weltman stated that there had been discussions, but that it happened immediately once Clifford reached his decision. That tells me that the holdup was on Clifford's side and the fact that he had one year left on his contract.

I really doubt that it was just Clifford choosing to walk away. That seed was planted by Bianchi, but when you read his stuff, it's rather obvious that he is just speculating.

I think Weltman's stressing of the word 'mutual' was largely for the benefit of Clifford, but also because he'd prefer to avoid the perception that they fired their head coach. Additionally, there are ramifications if Clifford simply chose to walk away. He wouldn't have fulfilled his contractual obligations, so he would be forfeiting money, and he wouldn't be allowed to take another job in the NBA until that contract expired.

[MagicStarwipe]

Could it be? The return of 4th Quarter Willie?

[RookieStar]

Could it be? The return of 4th Quarter Willie?

Im curious if this is the same Willie Green durinf that AI-era if Philly?

[Skybox]

Heaven help the woman who signs up for a life of negative Pepe-Mansplaining …

+10.000

For start, i'm not "negative " person at all. Especially in real life.
For second, team hasn't been good for last 10 years. Period.
People called me negative when i was b***ing about Biyombo sign and Ibaka trade. People called me negative when i said Harris will end up being better than Gordon.

Being "negative" here is just perspective.

As for Magic coaching job vs other at least 6 aveliable coaching jobs, Magic are near bottom when it comes to being attractive place to coach, compared to others.

For start, we don't have anybody worth talking about today as "core" player. In this moment team's best player was good enough to be 4th option on .500 team. And our "core" has 2 complete busts in Fultz and Bamba. One is fringe starter, other is fringe nba player.

Magic , failing to sign any bigger name FA since Rashard Lewis in last 11 years pretty much says that team isn't attractive to FA. Especially when guys like Lebron make smirk comments that nobody will "go there for sure". This supports fact that we couldn't get guys like Paul Millsap, who weren't even that good players to being with and having yet to be drafted Porzingis electing to stay in Europe for additional year to not be drafted by Orlando during 2014 draft.
We can all pin it on Hennigan, but it would be missleading.


Overall, all those things aside, fact stands, our biggest bargning chip for new coach is potential to coach top 3 draft pick. But that isn't guaranteed as we still have bigger odds draft 6th than any other spot.
It's no secret that coaching Pelicans, Dallas or potentially Bucks is all way more exiting for some well established coaching name than coaching Orlando Magic.

This Magic Mop feels like Skin's troll account. Guy has 85 posts, mentioned me in 45 of them.

HOWEVER, as i mentioned in first comment, Magic coaching candidates from 2016- didn't coach anybody in nba yet. So regardless are you taking on Sacramento Kings or Los Angeles Lakers, coaching job in nba will alway be attractive to coaches, because it's best basketball league in the world, it's well payed and almost all coaches, once they get fired, hang around as assistents. That doesn't change fact that top coaches will rather choose better situations to take on. There is no person in the world who would choose Orlando over Dallas to coach. At least nobody with any sense of logic and in right mind.

I enjoy your thoughtful posts but you didn’t do anything to shake the “negative “ label here ( nor do you need to). Do you see anything good here?

[pepe1991]

Heaven help the woman who signs up for a life of negative Pepe-Mansplaining …

For start, i'm not "negative " person at all. Especially in real life.
For second, team hasn't been good for last 10 years. Period.
People called me negative when i was b***ing about Biyombo sign and Ibaka trade. People called me negative when i said Harris will end up being better than Gordon.

Being "negative" here is just perspective.

As for Magic coaching job vs other at least 6 aveliable coaching jobs, Magic are near bottom when it comes to being attractive place to coach, compared to others.

For start, we don't have anybody worth talking about today as "core" player. In this moment team's best player was good enough to be 4th option on .500 team. And our "core" has 2 complete busts in Fultz and Bamba. One is fringe starter, other is fringe nba player.

Magic , failing to sign any bigger name FA since Rashard Lewis in last 11 years pretty much says that team isn't attractive to FA. Especially when guys like Lebron make smirk comments that nobody will "go there for sure". This supports fact that we couldn't get guys like Paul Millsap, who weren't even that good players to being with and having yet to be drafted Porzingis electing to stay in Europe for additional year to not be drafted by Orlando during 2014 draft.
We can all pin it on Hennigan, but it would be missleading.


Overall, all those things aside, fact stands, our biggest bargning chip for new coach is potential to coach top 3 draft pick. But that isn't guaranteed as we still have bigger odds draft 6th than any other spot.
It's no secret that coaching Pelicans, Dallas or potentially Bucks is all way more exiting for some well established coaching name than coaching Orlando Magic.

This Magic Mop feels like Skin's troll account. Guy has 85 posts, mentioned me in 45 of them.

HOWEVER, as i mentioned in first comment, Magic coaching candidates from 2016- didn't coach anybody in nba yet. So regardless are you taking on Sacramento Kings or Los Angeles Lakers, coaching job in nba will alway be attractive to coaches, because it's best basketball league in the world, it's well payed and almost all coaches, once they get fired, hang around as assistents. That doesn't change fact that top coaches will rather choose better situations to take on. There is no person in the world who would choose Orlando over Dallas to coach. At least nobody with any sense of logic and in right mind.

I enjoy your thoughtful posts but you didn’t do anything to shake the “negative “ label here ( nor do you need to). Do you see anything good here?

Right now only selling point of a team is hope for better future.
Hope they can land top 3 pick. Hope that player will turn into star. Hope that Bulls won't jump over them. Hope that new coach isn't clueless. Hope that Isaac and Fultz can make full recovery.

But right now, as for a team, there isn't anything that is "positive" per se. It's year zero of what will potentially be 2-4 years rebuild. Hope is all you can ask, but if we are being realistic, we won't play any meaningful baketball any time soon.
I'm fine by it. If anything, after trades i had no desire to keep watching Cole Anthony led offense and i have more time to focus on better product by watching good teams and right now i really enjoy playoffs ( and Euro in soccer ). I'm stress free in basketball world.

I mean, in 2021 & 2022 our most important days will be lottery night in 2021 and in 2022. It's not like i'm going to get emotionally invested into current roster knowing 3 years from now, 60-70% of current roster won't be here, half of them probably not even in nba any more.

Part of me being "negative" is me saying i don't like XY projected lottery pick who is yet to even be drafted by Magic and i fint that hilarious. I'm "negative" because i don't like GIddey ? Like he is bound to get here... I don't get it...

Orlando is still my favorite team, obviously, but much like it was case in 2017 , i don't find too many positives. Hopefully few years from now our front office will be freed from egoistical cheirman who's only gimmick is to pretend he is smarter than anybody else while he is drafting Bamba over SGA or Porter Jr...

[89Magicfan]

For start, i'm not "negative " person at all. Especially in real life.
For second, team hasn't been good for last 10 years. Period.
People called me negative when i was b***ing about Biyombo sign and Ibaka trade. People called me negative when i said Harris will end up being better than Gordon.

Being "negative" here is just perspective.

As for Magic coaching job vs other at least 6 aveliable coaching jobs, Magic are near bottom when it comes to being attractive place to coach, compared to others.

For start, we don't have anybody worth talking about today as "core" player. In this moment team's best player was good enough to be 4th option on .500 team. And our "core" has 2 complete busts in Fultz and Bamba. One is fringe starter, other is fringe nba player.

Magic , failing to sign any bigger name FA since Rashard Lewis in last 11 years pretty much says that team isn't attractive to FA. Especially when guys like Lebron make smirk comments that nobody will "go there for sure". This supports fact that we couldn't get guys like Paul Millsap, who weren't even that good players to being with and having yet to be drafted Porzingis electing to stay in Europe for additional year to not be drafted by Orlando during 2014 draft.
We can all pin it on Hennigan, but it would be missleading.


Overall, all those things aside, fact stands, our biggest bargning chip for new coach is potential to coach top 3 draft pick. But that isn't guaranteed as we still have bigger odds draft 6th than any other spot.
It's no secret that coaching Pelicans, Dallas or potentially Bucks is all way more exiting for some well established coaching name than coaching Orlando Magic.

This Magic Mop feels like Skin's troll account. Guy has 85 posts, mentioned me in 45 of them.

HOWEVER, as i mentioned in first comment, Magic coaching candidates from 2016- didn't coach anybody in nba yet. So regardless are you taking on Sacramento Kings or Los Angeles Lakers, coaching job in nba will alway be attractive to coaches, because it's best basketball league in the world, it's well payed and almost all coaches, once they get fired, hang around as assistents. That doesn't change fact that top coaches will rather choose better situations to take on. There is no person in the world who would choose Orlando over Dallas to coach. At least nobody with any sense of logic and in right mind.

I enjoy your thoughtful posts but you didn’t do anything to shake the “negative “ label here ( nor do you need to). Do you see anything good here?

Right now only selling point of a team is hope for better future.
Hope they can land top 3 pick. Hope that player will turn into star. Hope that Bulls won't jump over them. Hope that new coach isn't clueless. Hope that Isaac and Fultz can make full recovery.

But right now, as for a team, there isn't anything that is "positive" per se. It's year zero of what will potentially be 2-4 years rebuild. Hope is all you can ask, but if we are being realistic, we won't play any meaningful baketball any time soon.
I'm fine by it. If anything, after trades i had no desire to keep watching Cole Anthony led offense and i have more time to focus on better product by watching good teams and right now i really enjoy playoffs ( and Euro in soccer ). I'm stress free in basketball world.

I mean, in 2021 & 2022 our most important days will be lottery night in 2021 and in 2022. It's not like i'm going to get emotionally invested into current roster knowing 3 years from now, 60-70% of current roster won't be here, half of them probably not even in nba any more.

Part of me being "negative" is me saying i don't like XY projected lottery pick who is yet to even be drafted by Magic and i fint that hilarious. I'm "negative" because i don't like GIddey ? Like he is bound to get here... I don't get it...

Orlando is still my favorite team, obviously, but much like it was case in 2017 , i don't find too many positives. Hopefully few years from now our front office will be freed from egoistical cheirman who's only gimmick is to pretend he is smarter than anybody else while he is drafting Bamba over SGA or Porter Jr...

Yeah there hasn’t been positivity coming from this team in a hot minute. A top 3 pick, hell I'd say the top pick, would be a significant momentum shift. I say that because there will be a buzz and you’re almost forced to take the best talent. I think we’d all be nervous with this FO (taking Kuminga over Cade would be a Weham move) but they’d be almost be forced to not to be stupid.

[89Magicfan]

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The Athletic has learned through league sources that the Magic have asked permission to interview Phoenix Suns assistant coach Willie Green, Milwaukee Bucks assistant coach Charles Lee and Brooklyn Nets assistant coach Ime Udoka.

Reading around, it seems Pelicans wanted to hire Charles Lee last year before David Giffin was talked into going with a more experienced coach, in SVG. I suspect Lee is their top option this summer.

This feels like Jacque Vaughn all over again reading this.

[drsd]

This feels like Jacque Vaughn all over again reading this.

Is Chris Duhon available for coaching duties?


..

[axl_c_cool]

I want Willie Green, experience as a assistant and development coach on the Warriors, and been an assistant on playoff teams. Great guy, 100% worth giving am opportunity too

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[Max Power]

I really think the Magic will end up with an out of left field candidate again, like Jacque Vaughn before. Someone maybe that media ignores meeting with the team. Or a guy like Brett Brown, who’s gotten no press at all hardly since Philly let him go.

[swarlesbarkley]

I really think the Magic will end up with an out of left field candidate again, like Jacque Vaughn before. Someone maybe that media ignores meeting with the team. Or a guy like Brett Brown, who’s gotten no press at all hardly since Philly let him go.

Fultz probably never plays another minute on Orlando if we hire Brett Brown.

[Max Power]

Didn’t think about that Swarles, I’m not necessarily endorsing Brown, just using him as an example of a coach out there who’s been keeping a low profile who may emerge a possibility. With that being said, I want to see Markelle succeed here so I’d not want that hire.

[The Effect]

Magic just may be the least desirable opening for coaches. I am thinking they shoulda held onto Clifford one more year.



https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2021/06/16/orlando-magics-coach-opening-getting-pushed-bottom/

Why does everyone talk about cliff like he was fired
Its pretty obvious he CHOSE to walk away as he didnt wnat to be the coach of a rebuilding team

I don't think he was technically fired, but I do think he was urged to reevaluate whether or not he wanted to come back.

Weltman stated in his press conference that they had conversations and Clifford was told to go think on it, so I think they planted the seed and waited for it to take root. I think there probably was some discord over the course of the season. I think Clifford probably did object to the deadline transactions. I think Clifford probably was annoyed when they released Birch. I think the front office probably did it to force him to play the young guys.

I think the front office was ready for him to move on, but that they didn't really want to have to fire him, so they afforded him the opportunity to make it mutual. Weltman stated that there had been discussions, but that it happened immediately once Clifford reached his decision. That tells me that the holdup was on Clifford's side and the fact that he had one year left on his contract.

I really doubt that it was just Clifford choosing to walk away. That seed was planted by Bianchi, but when you read his stuff, it's rather obvious that he is just speculating.

I think Weltman's stressing of the word 'mutual' was largely for the benefit of Clifford, but also because he'd prefer to avoid the perception that they fired their head coach. Additionally, there are ramifications if Clifford simply chose to walk away. He wouldn't have fulfilled his contractual obligations, so he would be forfeiting money, and he wouldn't be allowed to take another job in the NBA until that contract expired.

That might be true, but i really believe that if clifford wanted to stay on board, he would still be here.
All reports over the past year have talked about how much the FO loves clifford and love the way he does things, his player development etc
Sure that could all be fluff, but Robbins was really stressing that over and over this year