The Jett Howard Thread

[basketballRob]

Here's some gamelogs from IMG.

https://www.theseasonticket.com/game/show/32809355?referrer=6465766

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[jezzerinho]

Here's some gamelogs from IMG.

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He was a much more mobile, wiry, twitchy player then. It seemed to suit his game better than this chunkier, slower player we saw in Mich. Maybe the plan is to have him work back to being a leaner, more guard-like body type....

[pepe1991]

Here's some gamelogs from IMG.

https://www.theseasonticket.com/game/show/32809355?referrer=6465766

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He was a much more mobile, wiry, twitchy player then. It seemed to suit his game better than this chunkier, slower player we saw in Mich. Maybe the plan is to have him work back to being a leaner, more guard-like body type....

It's just optics. When you put nba caliber prospect in highschool, he looks like next MJ. Just look at Cole Anthony highschool footage and remind yourself that RJ Hampton would have been top 10 pick if he didn't play pro and hindered his stock.

Track down Nassir Little's highschool career. He and Lebron are only players two win Mcdonalds all american and Jordan classic MVP awards. I remember reading how guy is new Leonard./George/superstar wing. Was at highschool sold as uberathletic 6'8 wing.


Than college season happend and combine happend and we figured he isn't 6'8 but 6'5 and once you put him in competitive basketball games, where game isn't play to highlight him but to be won, he simply doesn't offer all that much. And his eyepopping highschool athletics simply don't look impressive once they are matched with equallity of athleticsm from his defenders.

And Nassir is player who actually does have recorded 39 inch vertical and 7'1 wingspan. Issue is, most of other players he plays against, also have sky high wingspan and vertical, and that doesn't pop .


In nutshell my biggest fear for Jett is fact that he has literally no game to fall to if his jumpshot isn't going in. He won't rebound, pass, attack off the dribble, defend... There isn't single strenght to his game at next level projected but shooting. And even that shooting isn't THAT elite, 36,8% for 3, at college, to nba, would be like sub 1% above league's average. There are guys in nba like Duncan Robinson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Kennard etc who's "down" years are above that.

[basketballRob]

Here's some gamelogs from IMG.

https://www.theseasonticket.com/game/show/32809355?referrer=6465766

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He was a much more mobile, wiry, twitchy player then. It seemed to suit his game better than this chunkier, slower player we saw in Mich. Maybe the plan is to have him work back to being a leaner, more guard-like body type....

Even then, it looks like he was the 3rd best player on the team. George and Walker were also a year younger.

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[MAGICian619]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

[basketballRob]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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[MAGICian619]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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This is why fans are annoying. You have no idea how NBA teams felt about him. You know how people who don’t get paid by the NBA did. Congrats.

[basketballRob]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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This is why fans are annoying. You have no idea how NBA teams felt about him. You know how people who don’t get paid by the NBA did. Congrats.

Hollinger worked for the Grizzlies and he thinks it was a reach. Congrats

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[Petre1978]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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This is why fans are annoying. You have no idea how NBA teams felt about him. You know how people who don’t get paid by the NBA did. Congrats.

100%

[Petre1978]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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Dick would have been a reach at 6.

[basketballRob]

For those that think Jett was a reach:

December - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10058861-2023-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-ahead-of-christmas.amp.html

December - Mocked #10
https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-christmas-edition-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

January - Mocked #18 (Black #3)
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

January - Mocked #10
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

January - Mocked #11
https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/01/20/nba-draft-2023-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-leads-january-mock-draft/4/


So while the expert mockers may have moved Jett down the board after his injury, clearly the NBA circles did not. Jett was being mocked ahead of Gradey in most places.

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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Dick would have been a reach at 6.

Yes, he would've been.

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[MAGICian619]

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

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This is why fans are annoying. You have no idea how NBA teams felt about him. You know how people who don’t get paid by the NBA did. Congrats.

Hollinger worked for the Grizzlies and he thinks it was a reach. Congrats

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Wow a former NBA front office guy with an opinion. Still doesn’t change the fact that our FO (you know guys actually paid by the NBA - who are also proven excellent NBA drafters) prefer and selected Jett. Maybe Toronto or OKC loved him and were about to take him. Jett said those were his best workouts.

Point is there is a ton of NBA only dialogue going on between these teams and they have a MUCH better feel for when a player will likely go. So a fan coming in and saying “no one on earth had him in lottery” is on its face a ridiculous argument because you only got to see the irrelevant draft dialogue.

[basketballRob]

This is why fans are annoying. You have no idea how NBA teams felt about him. You know how people who don’t get paid by the NBA did. Congrats.

Hollinger worked for the Grizzlies and he thinks it was a reach. Congrats

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Wow a former NBA front office guy with an opinion. Still doesn’t change the fact that our FO (you know guys actually paid by the NBA - who are also proven excellent NBA drafters) prefer and selected Jett. Maybe Toronto or OKC loved him and were about to take him. Jett said those were his best workouts.

Point is there is a ton of NBA only dialogue going on between these teams and they have a MUCH better feel for when a player will likely go. So a fan coming in and saying “no one on earth had him in lottery” is on its face a ridiculous argument because you only got to see the irrelevant draft dialogue.

Hopefully, it works out. As of right now, I don't see him as any better than Houstan, and he's still younger than Jett.

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[best of luck]

Was pretty surprised by the pick as he wasn't on my radar.
Will watch Summer league with an open mind for him and Black, but hopefully this will be my last year having to watch the Summer league with Orlando having 2 less important picks in the late 20's next year.

[jayrehme]

Houstan doesn't have Jett's ball handling and passing/on ball skills. All the players picked after him were comparable prospect wise ( unless you count cam Whitmore) so i wouldnt call it a reach. To me Jett's game reminds me of Carmello Anthony. He's very crafty offensively. I look forward to see how he progesses on our team!

[MAGICian619]

Houstan doesn't have Jett's ball handling and passing/on ball skills. All the players picked after him were comparable prospect wise ( unless you count cam Whitmore) so i wouldnt call it a reach. To me Jett's game reminds me of Carmello Anthony. He's very crafty offensively. I look forward to see how he progesses on our team!

He quite literally played young Carmelo in the recent Lebron/Carmelo movie.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/05/17/michigan-basketball-signee-jett-howard-play-role-lebron-james-movie/9810184002/

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/orlando-magic-nba-draft-jett-howard-movie-rising-stars-carmelo-anthony-lebron-james

[Knightro]

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

It pretty much all boils down to whether or not you think his downturn in the second half of the season was strictly injury related or not.

If you do think it was injury related, then he wasn’t really a reach because most mocks had him between 10-15 in mid-late January.

If you think what he was post injury which lowered his the season long stats is more who he is, then obviously you think he was a reach. Perhaps a significant one.

The case could be made that guys like Jett Howard and Nick Smith Jr. actually hurt their stock by trying to play through injuries and playing poorly instead of just shutting it down.

[yoyojw17]

I was shocked too.... Just because initially I only knew him and his numbers.... Started watching more and more of his film ... And I don't really see why people are saying he's 1 dimensional now that I've looked at his scouting reports more.

Low key I'm seeing a SG/sf version of a poor man's Jayson tatum.like cardboard sign by the freeway.... But I see the shades of it. Calm yourselves.... I'm not saying he is him. According to him.... his body wasn't right until well after the season was over. If that's the case ... Them applying a factor for his disappointing second half is probably a good idea. And yup ... We have no clue what other teams thought. They could have seen him in workouts and interviews and came out impressed too.

Took me a bit... But I'm happy with this draft. Praying that they show promise from the beginning in summer league.

[Knightro]

I generally don’t agree with the concept of a player being a reach anyway because it’s not typically possible to move down and pick a player where he’s “supposed” to go.

If you are picking 11th and you really like a player, does it matter if he’s “supposed” to go 18th? You’re not picking 18th.

And the concept of reaches and value picks also incorrectly assumes that every single team has the exact same ranking on every single player which we obviously know isn’t the case either.

[MoGrAdY]

He was a reach. No one on earth had him in the lottery on June 22nd.

It pretty much all boils down to whether or not you think his downturn in the second half of the season was strictly injury related or not.

If you do think it was injury related, then he wasn’t really a reach because most mocks had him between 10-15 in mid-late January.

If you think what he was post injury which lowered his the season long stats is more who he is, then obviously you think he was a reach. Perhaps a significant one.

The case could be made that guys like Jett Howard and Nick Smith Jr. actually hurt their stock by trying to play through injuries and playing poorly instead of just shutting it down.

Two thoughts for me.. Let’s not worry about it being a reach or not, he was OUR guy. We don’t actually know where he was on other Teams boards. You can’t just “Trade Back” and get him, we don’t k ow the opportunities. If you like Jett and he your guy, go pick him. Second, Michigan in general was a train wreck, especially later in the season. The entire Team looked dysfunctional and out of sorts. I think that played a huge part along with the ankle in Jett’s rocky finish to the season. I love Juwan but as a Coach he has been awful. I really do think Jett is going to surprise a lot of you.